[Question] Problems I have with the latest chapter

[Big Mom]

Are you for real? After he beat Crocodile the marines made it look like they stopped him. The world didn't know the full efforts of the Strawhats in saving that kingdom and taking down a Shichibukai. And if you're going by your logic, then why such an increase? Why wouldn't it be a bit more than Katakuri's instead of the near 500 mil? And you can say it's due to both commanders because then he'd bordering 2 bil.

They talked about it all together. A bounty signifies ones threat against the World Government, whether that be due to strength, knowledge, power, status whatever. It's not just strength alone and that's quite clearly not the reason alone why Luffy got his bounty increase.

You're consecutively blind to what's in front of you and I can't help but think you're a troll :/...

Go reread, when talking about luffys bounty they talk specifically about cracker and katakuri

 

[Easyfathom]

Go reread, when talking about luffys bounty they talk specifically about cracker and katakuri

No you go reread, or better yet, just look at the damn pictures. It's a newspaper and the dialogue is telling the story that's printed. The wanted posters are SEPARATE from that.

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Whilst Carrot is reading that paper the wanted posters just drop out. It's not in any order to indicate what the bounties are for specifically. The posters are separate to the paper in the sense that they don't add to the news story printed. They are just like flyers in the papers you get through your door. lol.... You just need to open your eyes a bit more my friend, you'll understand so much more so much easier if you did.

You're welcome.

 

[Big Mom]

Bounty is wanted poster -.-

 

[kiiro]

Well I think Luffy deserves this. He didnt even had all his crew with Big Mom. I wonder what will happen if he did. More destruction?

 

[arv993]

Not necessarily. Both fighters went in not fresh, one more so than the other. The wounds they had taken wouldn't have been completely identical and those were only taken due to a 3rd party. I think he's definitely up there with the likes of Yonko first mates, however not necessarily the strongest of them all. You can see this from him being unable to defeat Cracker alone and from his need to self improve to have a chance against Katakuri.

Do you really think the fight with Katakuri would go the same way if they fought in an open battlefield from the start, keeping the same parameters of neither one knowing the other's abilities and their physical states being the same? I don't think it would. Me personally, I think it would be a long drawn out fight that Katakuri would eventually put Luffy down. Very high diff. Now however, if Luffy was fresh from the start, I think his endurance would pull him through.



I'd agree, other than if/when Luffy also starts the fight off fresh.



Go reread? That's it...... Assasination plot of ex-shichibukai, 2 supernova and vinsmokes on 1 of the yonko,"They say Luffy is the ring leader" xD There's so much more than "beat two commanders"...

Here: "According to our inside source, Strawhat Luffy had already placed 7 powerful crews under his command, and is now a grand captain with over 5000 subordinates that answer to him. He has attracted much attention....... He roped together organizations like the armies of evil, The Germa 66, The Sun Pirates and The Firetank pirates on the spot with his extraordinary charisma and leadership abilities. His mind devised and executed a plot to destroy the Queen's castle. He possessed the strength to best commanders.... THE FIFTH EMPEROR OF THE SEAS HAS APPEARED!

I think there's a little more that's warranted him the bounty increase and shows he's a greater threat than before other than besting the 2 commanders.

First of all cracker vs luffy is old news. Luffy has much better observation haki now and he learned most of that in his fight with kata. Now if we start both of them fresh we know luffy can avoid many more fatal blows due to him being able to match kata with his observation haki. Luffy also has higher endurance so this comes down to how well luffy uses his gear 4th.

We are talking about a current luffy not one prior to cracker or kata fights. There’s a lot of improvements he made with those two battles under his belt.

 

[Easyfathom]

First of all cracker vs luffy is old news. Luffy has much better observation haki now and he learned most of that in his fight with kata. Now if we start both of them fresh we know luffy can avoid many more fatal blows due to him being able to match kata with his observation haki. Luffy also has higher endurance so this comes down to how well luffy uses his gear 4th.

We are talking about a current luffy not one prior to cracker or kata fights. There’s a lot of improvements he made with those two battles under his belt.

It's not old news, storywise it is still very very relevant as it was whilst they were in WCI lol, to them it's just happened.

I wasn't talking about the current Luffy. I was stating if Luffy and Kata went at it again with no distractions (neither knowing the extent of each others abilites and neither full fresh as it was in the manga) then I think Luffy would lose due to already having his endurance tested and Katakuri not receiving the same wound that he did. I think he would definitely outlast Luffy and see to it that he wins the fight. HOWEVER, if they were both fresh (still not knowing either's full strength or abilities) then I feel Luffy would last long enough to develop his Observation haki further and come out on top.

Obviously if the current Luffy now fought Katakuri then of course, I think it's a sure win. Even if Katakuri didn't get peeved off and let down his guard a bit as he knows Luffy is a worthy opponent, I still think Luffy would come out on top as he too wouldn't get as beat on as he did most of the fight.

HOOOOOOOOWever..... Just because Luffy has advanced his observation haki, what makes you think his fight with Cracker would be different? I don't think he's taking him out on his own... People think just because Kata gave Luffy a harder time and that he has a higher bounty means that he's >>>>> than Cracker when that's not true. Luffy still won't be able to break through to Cracker unless he's in Bounceman form and even then he can only smash through one biscuit at a time.
(I'd like to say that it would also seem like Cracker isn't beating Luffy either.... Not until Luffy finally runs out of stamina and he's able to finish him off, but that is really the only way I can see him winning).

Morgans is an archetypical "sensational" news reporter, to him this whole situation was the equivalent of reaching Nirvana, so yeah it's not really surprising he wrote the article in such a way it would have the most impact. That doesn't take away though that nearly everything he said was true. The only thing that was wrong, was that he assumed all of this had been carefully planned by Luffy, while in reality it was mostly improvisation and luck. But don't forget Morgans was a witness of several of these events, with other words when it comes to the credibility of sources, it can't get any better than that and to many people it will have definitely looked like it happened how Morgans described it.

Yeah he could have been hypercritical, more reserved and have used more terms like "possibly" and "likely", only that would make everything rather boring and long. You have scientific journals for that, not newspapers.

Also hyping Luffy doesn't help the WG and by discrediting BM, he seriously pissed her off. So which third parties exactly? Yeah he has got underworld connections, but that's not really unusual even in the real world. You don't get the best stories by waiting behind your desk, you get them by pushing boundaries.

He couldn't have been more hyped throughout his appearances xD of course this was BIG NEWS for him
I'm not shocked at the way he's written his story, that seems completely plausible for him to do and IF anything makes my point that much clearer. You have what seems to be the single newpaper that the OPverse reads and it's all controlled by one man, and as we've just seen he didn't tell the whole truth as it was. For whatever reason that might be, it doesn't matter, it wasn't the whole truth. Therefore he's a bit corrupt in that he is obviously printing whatever he wants and the world excepts that as their reality. And I think pretty much all the readers from their comments that I've read, has just excepted it as well. Which I think since it's coming from this character, people should at least be second guessing certain things...... Primarily the wanted posters that came from said newspaper company.

To be honest I like how this all was portrayed as it gives a rather accurate image of how it works in the real world. Yes Morgans isn't the most integer character around, but honestly when dealing with information objectivism/subjectivism isn't that black/white as most people think it is.

I do too, I said that I enjoyed the chapter. I watched Infinity War last night and really enjoyed it, but there's definitely bits I wasn't happy with, and is that so wrong to then critique even though I enjoyed it?

In regards to the bounties, the Marines have hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of people under their command. Do you think that all of them are involved in the making of bounties or are notified by new ones immediately? Even if two characters have the same rank, it doesn't mean they have the same duties and even if that was the case, you can easily assume Cody was occupied with his task of escorting royals. Honestly I find a bit weird that you call that one of your biggest gripes while it's a rather mundane thing that's easily explainable.

You can say a lot of things about Morgans, but that he would make fake bounties that are perfectly justified either way, is a rather pointless thing to do.

Something so grand, on this scale of events, surely news would have spread throughout their organisation. And like I said, for all this to have transpired, it mustn't have been a next day time of situation as it would have taken some time to discuss his bounty increase.

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Here Shanks has just appeared to stop the war and a bunch of marines start talking about how "just yesterday" he had clashed with Kaido. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that news such as this (which I'm sure Garp would know Coby would want to know) would be spread FAST.

I don't think the increase is that justifiable. Luffy has done much more to piss of the World Government and the Celestials to warrant high threat bounties as he's clearly shown the lengths he is willing to go. Fight an Emperor? How does this effect the World Government? The Celestials? The balance? The Yonko and the Marines aren't affiliated with each other so to think that that warrants such a bounty increase is not right, we didn't see new wanted posters for Shanks or any of his crew mates when he 'clashed' with Kaido.

After the summit war he had taken out multiple Shichibukai (essenti, broken into Impel Down and caused chaos, destroyed Ennies Lobby and personally attacked a world noble. He freed his brother from public execution to which the world saw how much of an impact his actions had in Marineford. So why only the 100 mil increase? Do you not think all of that warrants a much bigger bounty / increase than what he was given? Yet, he attacks a Yonko, completely doesn't effect the marines or the World Government in any way and he gets an increase of 500 mil? Okay, sure, he beat a guy with 1 bil bounty, yes, let's put it higher as it has been throughout the story, but this much? I can't help but think that it may have been a bit of Morgan's doing

Because it's not a corrupt news company, at least not in the way and magnitude you portray it to be. I mean to whom is it corrupt? Not Big Mom and not the Marines. Didn't Luffy fought together with Bege, Sun Pirates and Germa 66? Didn't Jinbei join the Strawhats? Didn't Luffy beat a 800m and 1b bounty? Didn't he challenge Big Mom, was part of an assassination attempt and got away with it all? Doesn't Luffy have seven crews under him for a total of 5000 subordinates? When they showed Bartolomeo and Cavendish, the people they were talking to were reporters. Morgans actually rather thorough as on top of what he witnessed himself he sought out alternative sources.

So I don't really get what you think is amiss. We know what happened, we know how Morgans interpreted the events and he was rather accurate, not completely, but no article is and I think most people really don't mind that he gave Luffy that much credit.

I didn't say it was for any individual or that it was benefitting anyone this time, just that that has been the case which we have previously seen. You'd think the world news would have reporters everywhere and the Government wouldn't be able to cover up everything, yet not everything from the Strawhats has been posted and there have been some rather large events.

Again, I don't mind that he gave Luffy so much credit, that fact that he does backs up how he will freely and knowingly not write the whole truth.

It has been explained before that most people tend to have an affinity for either the CoO or CoA. Coby is special in the sense that he unlocked his CoO by shock therapy and then had to learn to control it, while with most people it's something that happens gradually over time and it was rather obvious that Coby's CoO was powerful and that that's his specialty.

Kyros is strong to the point he can be called a beast, something he considers himself as such. This isn't anything new as this was elaborated on extensively during the Dresrossa arc. So the interaction between Kyros and Coby was not something we didn't know already.

....... I liked the whole Coby thing. I hated him when he was that little dweeb, but he's a pretty cool character now. My point was how Oda re-touched upon it, and now in the obvious was by Helmeppo but through Kyros. His small comment spoke massively in terms of how strong Coby has gotten.
I've not seen anyone mention the Kyros comment and I think it was more of a deal than most realised. I'm glad Oda included as an addition to dweeb number 2 Helmeppo saying "I didn't even sense the torpedo."

As I said Morgans loves sensation. What he employed was simply a trick sensational reporters use: present a prediction as a reality. He clearly said in the previous chapter that he was making a prediction, but explicitly stating it like that in the newspaper lacks impact. If Luffy indeed becomes an emperor, Morgans can put that as a feather on his head as being the person who proclaimed him as emperor first. If Luffy would fail, well then he can just explain he meant it as a strong possibility, which isn't even a real lie as at this point Luffy indeed has almost all the requirements for it: territory, subordinate crews, infamous reputation and lets not forget his lineage. If you then add the reality he challenged another Yonkou successfully, well what else do you have to do to get some recognition?

Yes as BB pointed out he isn't there yet, but don't forget that the title of emperor is not something given by an official instance nor has it a fixed amount, it's something people start calling you gradually for a state of affairs that's already existing. Immediately after Marineford there was talk of people seeing BB as an emperor, but it's only after he defeated Marco he could consolidate that position. Now if Luffy would defeat Kaidou during the Wano arc, I think there's little doubt that Morgans statement will become universally accepted.

All true all true, I have no qualms with what you've said. And I really do hope that people don't just accept it and that's more my gripe. Oda's made it seem as if they have. But of course a bit more progression in the story (probably 5 years out time) Luffy will be known as one of the Emperors of the sea and has earned it.

At Dressrosa everyone's bounty got increased because they hadn't changed in two years. Now in the case of Zoro and certainly in the cases of Usopp and Luffy, their bounties are the results of the extraordinary feats they preformed at Dresrossa. With the rest it really was more because their bounties were just outdated.

Compared to WCI, Dresrossa was peanuts. Just beating Dogtooth alone warranted getting a bounty of over 1b purely because Dogtooth's own bounty was that high. Add everything else Luffy did to that and his bounty is perfectly justifiable. That he just got an increase, makes little difference as that's how huge the consequences are of WCI.

And in regards to Sanji, his bounty had been tempered with either way. Now that it has been revealed he's a Vinsmoke, it's likewise justifiable to increase his bounty. The Marines have to consider the possibility that via Sanji the Strawhats and the Germa 66 form an alliance. This is also how Sanji interpreted his new bounty, though not all scanlation groups translated it as such.

For all the others there was no reason to increase it yet again as half of the Strawhats weren't there and most of the ones who were, didn't do anything of the level it was needed.

No the bounties aren't made up.

If they received a bounty just for not being around for 2 years then they would have gotten an increase since they reappeared in Saobondy, but they didn't. It was due to the Strawhats being involved in Dressrosa that they all got an increase and it's completely justifiable to think that the same should have happened here. We might even see the crew all gain an increase in the coming chapters.

It's not ridiculous to think they could be made up by Morgans... Look at the panel with Akainu, he doesn't seem like he's happy / knowledged up on the story (

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) and are you really going to argue that he hadn't heard or had anything to do with Luffy's new bounty?

What did Robin or Franky do that was so significant to warrant an increase? And the rest received one without being there in Dressrosa. How can you not see that something may be slightly corrupted in this situation??

I enjoyed the chapter, but I'm taking it with a pinch of salt for the time being...

 

[arv993]

It's not old news, storywise it is still very very relevant as it was whilst they were in WCI lol, to them it's just happened.

I wasn't talking about the current Luffy. I was stating if Luffy and Kata went at it again with no distractions (neither knowing the extent of each others abilites and neither full fresh as it was in the manga) then I think Luffy would lose due to already having his endurance tested and Katakuri not receiving the same wound that he did. I think he would definitely outlast Luffy and see to it that he wins the fight. HOWEVER, if they were both fresh (still not knowing either's full strength or abilities) then I feel Luffy would last long enough to develop his Observation haki further and come out on top.

Obviously if the current Luffy now fought Katakuri then of course, I think it's a sure win. Even if Katakuri didn't get peeved off and let down his guard a bit as he knows Luffy is a worthy opponent, I still think Luffy would come out on top as he too wouldn't get as beat on as he did most of the fight.

HOOOOOOOOWever..... Just because Luffy has advanced his observation haki, what makes you think his fight with Cracker would be different? I don't think he's taking him out on his own... People think just because Kata gave Luffy a harder time and that he has a higher bounty means that he's >>>>> than Cracker when that's not true. Luffy still won't be able to break through to Cracker unless he's in Bounceman form and even then he can only smash through one biscuit at a time.
(I'd like to say that it would also seem like Cracker isn't beating Luffy either.... Not until Luffy finally runs out of stamina and he's able to finish him off, but that is really the only way I can see him winning).






He couldn't have been more hyped throughout his appearances xD of course this was BIG NEWS for him
I'm not shocked at the way he's written his story, that seems completely plausible for him to do and IF anything makes my point that much clearer. You have what seems to be the single newpaper that the OPverse reads and it's all controlled by one man, and as we've just seen he didn't tell the whole truth as it was. For whatever reason that might be, it doesn't matter, it wasn't the whole truth. Therefore he's a bit corrupt in that he is obviously printing whatever he wants and the world excepts that as their reality. And I think pretty much all the readers from their comments that I've read, has just excepted it as well. Which I think since it's coming from this character, people should at least be second guessing certain things...... Primarily the wanted posters that came from said newspaper company.



I do too, I said that I enjoyed the chapter. I watched Infinity War last night and really enjoyed it, but there's definitely bits I wasn't happy with, and is that so wrong to then critique even though I enjoyed it?



Something so grand, on this scale of events, surely news would have spread throughout their organisation. And like I said, for all this to have transpired, it mustn't have been a next day time of situation as it would have taken some time to discuss his bounty increase.

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Here Shanks has just appeared to stop the war and a bunch of marines start talking about how "just yesterday" he had clashed with Kaido. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that news such as this (which I'm sure Garp would know Coby would want to know) would be spread FAST.

I don't think the increase is that justifiable. Luffy has done much more to piss of the World Government and the Celestials to warrant high threat bounties as he's clearly shown the lengths he is willing to go. Fight an Emperor? How does this effect the World Government? The Celestials? The balance? The Yonko and the Marines aren't affiliated with each other so to think that that warrants such a bounty increase is not right, we didn't see new wanted posters for Shanks or any of his crew mates when he 'clashed' with Kaido.

After the summit war he had taken out multiple Shichibukai (essenti, broken into Impel Down and caused chaos, destroyed Ennies Lobby and personally attacked a world noble. He freed his brother from public execution to which the world saw how much of an impact his actions had in Marineford. So why only the 100 mil increase? Do you not think all of that warrants a much bigger bounty / increase than what he was given? Yet, he attacks a Yonko, completely doesn't effect the marines or the World Government in any way and he gets an increase of 500 mil? Okay, sure, he beat a guy with 1 bil bounty, yes, let's put it higher as it has been throughout the story, but this much? I can't help but think that it may have been a bit of Morgan's doing



I didn't say it was for any individual or that it was benefitting anyone this time, just that that has been the case which we have previously seen. You'd think the world news would have reporters everywhere and the Government wouldn't be able to cover up everything, yet not everything from the Strawhats has been posted and there have been some rather large events.

Again, I don't mind that he gave Luffy so much credit, that fact that he does backs up how he will freely and knowingly not write the whole truth.



....... I liked the whole Coby thing. I hated him when he was that little dweeb, but he's a pretty cool character now. My point was how Oda re-touched upon it, and now in the obvious was by Helmeppo but through Kyros. His small comment spoke massively in terms of how strong Coby has gotten.
I've not seen anyone mention the Kyros comment and I think it was more of a deal than most realised. I'm glad Oda included as an addition to dweeb number 2 Helmeppo saying "I didn't even sense the torpedo."



All true all true, I have no qualms with what you've said. And I really do hope that people don't just accept it and that's more my gripe. Oda's made it seem as if they have. But of course a bit more progression in the story (probably 5 years out time) Luffy will be known as one of the Emperors of the sea and has earned it.



If they received a bounty just for not being around for 2 years then they would have gotten an increase since they reappeared in Saobondy, but they didn't. It was due to the Strawhats being involved in Dressrosa that they all got an increase and it's completely justifiable to think that the same should have happened here. We might even see the crew all gain an increase in the coming chapters.

It's not ridiculous to think they could be made up by Morgans... Look at the panel with Akainu, he doesn't seem like he's happy / knowledged up on the story (

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) and are you really going to argue that he hadn't heard or had anything to do with Luffy's new bounty?

What did Robin or Franky do that was so significant to warrant an increase? And the rest received one without being there in Dressrosa. How can you not see that something may be slightly corrupted in this situation??

I enjoyed the chapter, but I'm taking it with a pinch of salt for the time being...

It is old. It doesn’t matter how he fared against cracker because he improved so much that he was able match and best kata. You kno dressrosa was also timeline wise not so long ago but Luffy is now a much tougher opponent to beat. He gets better as he is pushed to his limit in each fight. You holding him to old standards doesn’t make any sense.

So ok your point is in that situation Lyft could have lost and yea that’s fair and more debatable but currently he would not lose. What he is currently is what matters more since that’s the level he will be at when he faces his foes in wano

 

[Easyfathom]

It is old. It doesn’t matter how he fared against cracker because he improved so much that he was able match and best kata. You kno dressrosa was also timeline wise not so long ago but Luffy is now a much tougher opponent to beat. He gets better as he is pushed to his limit in each fight. You holding him to old standards doesn’t make any sense.

So ok your point is in that situation Lyft could have lost and yea that’s fair and more debatable but currently he would not lose. What he is currently is what matters more since that’s the level he will be at when he faces his foes in wano

You're talking about a completely different time frame... Dressrosa to Zou, Zou to WCI, that's a bit of travel time. Running around Whole Cake Chateau since the Cracker fight is nothing. It's very much relevant and the only thing he's shown to improve is his observation haki... Snakeman is something he already had in his arsenal, we just hadn't seen it.

And it was just a discussion. What do you think Vs threads are, "Who would win, Prime Whitebeard Vs Prime Garp".... You don't see people like "oh no, that's not relevant, it's the here an now that matters"... I was talking about a fight between 2 characters that weren't the fairest of fights and before that fight that we were talking about, the characters (primarily Luffy) wasn't as strong as he is currently. Talking about that same Luffy before the fight, before he got stronger is relevant because we're talking about that blimming fight, showing relevance!

Lastly, I already agreed with what you're saying... You're pretty much reiterating what I said :/

 

[arv993]

You're talking about a completely different time frame... Dressrosa to Zou, Zou to WCI, that's a bit of travel time. Running around Whole Cake Chateau since the Cracker fight is nothing. It's very much relevant and the only thing he's shown to improve is his observation haki... Snakeman is something he already had in his arsenal, we just hadn't seen it.

And it was just a discussion. What do you think Vs threads are, "Who would win, Prime Whitebeard Vs Prime Garp".... You don't see people like "oh no, that's not relevant, it's the here an now that matters"... I was talking about a fight between 2 characters that weren't the fairest of fights and before that fight that we were talking about, the characters (primarily Luffy) wasn't as strong as he is currently. Talking about that same Luffy before the fight, before he got stronger is relevant because we're talking about that blimming fight, showing relevance!

Lastly, I already agreed with what you're saying... You're pretty much reiterating what I said :/

How is it only improved observation Hali. The guy is on kata level observation haki, that is a very impressive feat, it doesn’t matter if he learned it two minutes b4. The battle with Kata honed his obsv Hali dramatically. So any comparison to his older self is pointless. As his skills have improved a lot. A comparison to prime garp makes no sense here

 

[Punk Hazard]

How is it only improved observation Hali. The guy is on kata level observation haki, that is a very impressive feat, it doesn’t matter if he learned it two minutes b4. The battle with Kata honed his obsv Hali dramatically. So any comparison to his older self is pointless. As his skills have improved a lot. A comparison to prime garp makes no sense here

Except we haven't seen Luffy's "new" Observation Haki help him at all during a fight except for a moment. In a long term fight, that isn't gonna do much good.

 

[arv993]

Except we haven't seen Luffy's "new" Observation Haki help him at all during a fight except for a moment. In a long term fight, that isn't gonna do much good.

We just saw it help in the fight with kata lol. Or we just gonna ignore that

 

[Big Mom]

We just saw it help in the fight with kata lol. Or we just gonna ignore that

Lmaoo right

 

[Punk Hazard]

We just saw it help in the fight with kata lol. Or we just gonna ignore that

Jesus Christ your reading abilities are top notch, huh? I said we don't see it help him but for a moment. There's no instances in that fight where we can definitively say Luffy was seeing the future and it was helping him.

 

[Easyfathom]

How is it only improved observation Hali. The guy is on kata level observation haki, that is a very impressive feat, it doesn’t matter if he learned it two minutes b4. The battle with Kata honed his obsv Hali dramatically. So any comparison to his older self is pointless. As his skills have improved a lot. A comparison to prime garp makes no sense here

Because other than his normal growth, the only difference and power up was to his Observation haki. I'm not discrediting him, but I was talking about an instance before that fight, before his power-up. It's a point of discussion that's obviously not a pointless point when that's what the discussion is about. How are you not understanding this?

I can talk about any part of the story, any character and their strength and it's relevant, because that's what the discussion is about. You've hopped on board in a discussion where I have set the parameters, so don't come saying I should take the here and now, when in this instance that's not relevant!

 

[arv993]

Jesus Christ your reading abilities are top notch, huh? I said we don't see it help him but for a moment. There's no instances in that fight where we can definitively say Luffy was seeing the future and it was helping him.

Haha the whole point of that moment is to show he significantly better at observation haki. His new average is much higher than b4 meaning he is a much more capable fighter/threat.

 

[arv993]

Because other than his normal growth, the only difference and power up was to his Observation haki. I'm not discrediting him, but I was talking about an instance before that fight, before his power-up. It's a point of discussion that's obviously not a pointless point when that's what the discussion is about. How are you not understanding this?

I can talk about any part of the story, any character and their strength and it's relevant, because that's what the discussion is about. You've hopped on board in a discussion where I have set the parameters, so don't come saying I should take the here and now, when in this instance that's not relevant!

Your whole initial point was that luffy was overvalued as a threat. Go read our initial comments. Puffy isn’t overvalued because as of this moment he is a capable fighter who can take on kata and best him at very incredible difficulty. His fight with cracker is not as important because he is a different fighter now with a better skill set.

 

[Easyfathom]

Your whole initial point was that luffy was overvalued as a threat. Go read our initial comments. Puffy isn’t overvalued because as of this moment he is a capable fighter who can take on kata and best him at very incredible difficulty. His fight with cracker is not as important because he is a different fighter now with a better skill set.

Overvalued as threat? You mean that I don't agree with such a bounty increase? Yes, he beat Katakuri, put his bounty higher because I do think in a 1 v 1 now, both of them fresh, Luffy wins.

But you keep saying Cracker isn't important when if anything, I think he's more important that Katakuri. With his "better skill set," in regards to his improved observation haki I hope you're only referring to, do you think he can beat Cracker all of a sudden? To me, nothing has changed in that fight, Luffy still can't beat him without someones help. How does improved observation help him win against Cracker? It doesn't; he still can't get through to Cracker because he can't get past the biscuits... So I'd say he's very much important.

 

[arv993]

Overvalued as threat? You mean that I don't agree with such a bounty increase? Yes, he beat Katakuri, put his bounty higher because I do think in a 1 v 1 now, both of them fresh, Luffy wins.

But you keep saying Cracker isn't important when if anything, I think he's more important that Katakuri. With his "better skill set," in regards to his improved observation haki I hope you're only referring to, do you think he can beat Cracker all of a sudden? To me, nothing has changed in that fight, Luffy still can't beat him without someones help. How does improved observation help him win against Cracker? It doesn't; he still can't get through to Cracker because he can't get past the biscuits... So I'd say he's very much important.

yes luffy can beat him, because we have seen he can last longer and has a faster version along with the fact that cracker cant land hits on luffy nearly as easy, luffy improving his obsveration haki made him dodge kata with no G4 so yea there is a huge difference which you are understating

 

[Easyfathom]

yes luffy can beat him, because we have seen he can last longer and has a faster version along with the fact that cracker cant land hits on luffy nearly as easy, luffy improving his obsveration haki made him dodge kata with no G4 so yea there is a huge difference which you are understating

Except Cracker can create infinite soldiers to block anything that Luffy throws at him, simultaneously keeping him at Bay. Luffy still can’t get to cracker because he can’t defeat his biscuit soldiers quick enough. Luffy using future sight with no beneficial outcomes and Luffy uses Snakeman, but still can defeat biscuits quick enough... So you mentioned he got some power-ups, but how exactly do they help him beat Cracker? He’s not going to be eating the biscuits anymore so no Tankman or sustain G4 for hours.

 

[Carpchonay]

Basically. While Luffy had more endurance than Katakuri, I don't know if he'd have been able to put Katakuri down before Katakuri put him down without hitting that wound on his side. The wound took more out of Katakuri than it did Luffy imo

His will is his power. Still beat him by himself. You're overthinking it.