[Discussion] Problem With Kubo

[Shanks]

This is not a bash Thread . So far i have lately witnessing in this arc was totally disappointing .. I don't know were this War Arc is heading towards.

I always thought Kubo was genius and different from other Mangaka . I Do see his flaws and Weakness are Finally Showing up in this Arc .

1. He should have explained about Yhwach and Quincy when Ichigo met Uryu Ishida. I hate to say this The War between Shingami and Quincy was never Forseen or about little about Yhwach was discussed . This was Kubo's first Mistake.

2. His Second Mistake : Makes the Character to OP . He made Aizen way to OP and made himself Invinsible . Aso the case with Espada Ranking which are seriously inconsistent . Yammy was shown to be strongest Espada but turns out he was Kenpachi Plaything to him . Samething he is doing to Yhwach and his cronies he made the, OP. I hate to say this nearly all the Quincy looked like they could easily take off Shingami's neck .

3. Third Mistake : The Final Arc had a Powerful Impact and killed of Some Good Character. Kubo was hailed as Shonen Mangaka who is daring to step into shoes of Legendary Mangaka like Inoue Takehiko .

The Second half of the Arc suddenly goes Downhill after As nodt defeat . It Seems like Kubo looks disinterested and just want to finish this off as soon as Possible . It is really Upsetting one of my fav manga turning out like this .

Your thoughts where exactly is Kubo is going Wrong ? I cannot Deny it there is lot of Criticism how he is taking the final Arc.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

He also should have given Aizen a back story. And I agree with the Espada ranking shit.

 

[Shanks]

He also should have given Aizen a back story. And I agree with the Espada ranking shit.

Lol true Baby Aizen saying his first Words" My Birth was just as Planned" XD

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I agree on your points. IMO the war was pretty good sometimes(Yamamoto's death arrancar return). Aizen was way too op the dude was fodderizing captain level shinigami with no effort.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

It would be too early if he explained all about Yhwach that early in the series. But he could give more hints earlier, during SS and HM arc.
For example, he hinted Arrancars right after Ichigo vs Grand Fisher during Agenf of the Shinigami arc, and they appeared two arcs after. He could do same with Quincies,... right after battle with Aizen, when Mayuri and co returned to SS, a couple of Quincies could appear in HM (during Yammy's scene) kill him and say something like "It's time to make HM our theritory" or something like that.

War arc was awesome at the beginning, Quilge introduced and used all that Quincy abilties, Yamamoto's bankai was also awesome, but after Hitsugaya vs Bazz-B all started to go downhill. Quincies used just their Schrifts (which make them look like Fullbringers). Where are these bows, sklaverei, ginto and all that techniques Quilge, Ryuuken and Uryuu used? And Sternritters getting low to no characters development. Killing some Quincies without showing their full power.

The only think that didn't went downhill is art, which is still awesome, but character design of Sternritters will not make for bland personallities.

 

[Shanks]

It would be too early if he explained all about Yhwach that early in the series. But he could give more hints earlier, during SS and HM arc.
For example, he hinted Arrancars right after Ichigo vs Grand Fisher during Agenf of the Shinigami arc, and they appeared two arcs after. He could do same with Quincies,... right after battle with Aizen, when Mayuri and co returned to SS, a couple of Quincies could appear in HM (during Yammy's scene) kill him and say something like "It's time to make HM our theritory" or something like that.

War arc was awesome at the beginning, Quilge introduced and used all that Quincy abilties, Yamamoto's bankai was also awesome, but after Hitsugaya vs Bazz-B all started to go downhill. Quincies used just their Schrifts (which make them look like Fullbringers). Where are these bows, sklaverei, ginto and all that techniques Quilge, Ryuuken and Uryuu used? And Sternritters getting low to no characters development. Killing some Quincies without showing their full power.

The only think that didn't went downhill is art, which is still awesome, but character design of Sternritters will not make for bland personallities.

The Problem with Quincy in early days of Manga i have read was that they used bows to fight against Hollows . Now comes another question who are Uryu Ishida and other Quincies and their relationship with Yhwach .

 

[Frankenstein]

It's like Kubo gave up after Aizen's defeat. The manga was really cool until that point.

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[Forbidden Tale]

The Problem with Quincy in early days of Manga i have read was that they used bows to fight against Hollows . Now comes another question who are Uryu Ishida and other Quincies and their relationship with Yhwach .

Not sure, but I think it was said somewhere earlier that Quincies also use other weapons and that's calling spirit weapons. I think bows are used by traditional Quicnies like Ishida's family and it's elementar weapon of Quincies, so later, they choose to improve their bows or to use other spirit weapons (like swords, etc).
There are two options with other Quincies:
1. They are Quincies that fought in the war against Shinigamis, died and were transfered to SS, but after that they hide into shadows. But I found this unlikely, considering that no SR seems familiar to senior shinigamis like Kyoraku, Ukitake, Yamamoto and Unohana, who fought in the war 1000 and 200 years ag.
2. Some of them are descedants of the Quincies that fought in the war 1000 and 200 years ago. These Quincies died, were sent to SS, escaped to Shadows and with other Quincies got their childrens (that would be some of the sternritters). While some of them are gemisch Quincies that were present in the real world, during the years their families mixed with ordinary people and they lost their lineague and are left with really small percentage of Quincy blood, like As Nodt, who wasn't even aware of SS. Yhwach collected them and give them more power.

 

[SoulKiller]

i disagree with you about the manga going downhill, to me this arc is by far the best arc in bleach hands down and has epic moments!!!!

 

[Zyael]

I agree, especially your third point, for me, keeping Byakuya alive was a mistake, wish Kubo would have killed him off like he was going to despite Byakuya being a good character, but he's afraid to kill off some fan favorites, which make fights in my eyes always more in favor of the good guys with no suspense of the good guys dying.

 

[griems]

First people complain the arc had too many fast paced chapters after another and now it's finally going slow building and up to something you get theses little *****es whining about it.

/palm

 

[Shanks]

I agree, especially your third point, for me, keeping Byakuya alive was a mistake, wish Kubo would have killed him off like he was going to despite Byakuya being a good character, but he's afraid to kill off some fan favorites, which make fights in my eyes always more in favor of the good guys with no suspense of the good guys dying.

Kubo is Byakuya fanboy . It would have done been best thing if he was to die . Characters like Rukia and Renji would have been well developed .

Him being there was a biggest Mistake in Bleach right now . He is practically no use right now .

I want someone close enough to Ichigo to die Byakuya fits the case Ichi looks up to him like a Older Brother Surely we would have seen Ichigo 's Part understanding that he cannot protect everyone .

First people complain the arc had too many fast paced chapters after another and now it's finally going slow building and up to something you get theses little *****es whining about it.

/palm

Look i am not really bashing the way he is writing . I am just Critical the way he is taking this Arc . The first of Invasion was really good untill As nodt defeat .

There is this Problem with Kubo when it comes to Character dev you make a guy super OP and Pit him against a Rukia or Renji .

-They lose first time
-Second time they come up with bankai and defeat the OP Quincy Cronies

It seems to me more like Kubo just want to show Bankais in this Arc . Which is slightly a disappointing Case .

We have had Vizard hype now they seem to look weaker than Hisagi . Rose and Kensei were like a joke in this arc hardly put up any fight. The should have been Strongest Captains .

I hardly made any complaint about Bleach but it seems Kubo just no longer needs any excuse .
His Sales are dropping down . A Romantic Comedy like Nisekoi and Haikyuu in same Magazine Jump are beating Bleach both Domestic and Internationally . So i feel Kubo needed to introspect the way he is dealing with the Final Arc .

Over all The Final Arc Set up is Really good there is no doubt about that . Kubo Artstyle drastically Changed overall.

 

[Kiiszame]

The arrancar arc was the best. It should have ended there.

I had super high expectations for this arc. The zero squad and many new bankais.
Instead we get off paneled zero squad. The hype that they were as strong as all of seretai and they get fodderized and we don't even get to see it.
That was the dagger for me.

Ywache is unstoppable. Only plot can defeat him which is even worse.
The story is all over the place. Everyone is missing or off paneled.

Kubo took months of to properly organize it and this is what we get.
How the mighty have fallen.

Hopefully is the anime arrises again it'll bring bleach back because for me the anime was always faaaarrrrr greater than the manga.

 

[Phoenix110]

No comment but as always you all want byakuya to die am not a fanboy but it's kinda ridiculous

 

[Lightbringer]

While I do have my issues with this Arc, I don't agree with your points. I really like this arc and this it's the best one yet.

My problem is with the fact that they introduced a lot of quincy and killed them off almost instantly. I thought they were going to be formidable like the Espada but they fell pretty easily aside for a few.

I'm also disappointed with the fact that they didn't reveal the Squad Zero's bankai (but hopefully will in the future since they don't look dead).

Also we haven't seen the return of Grimmjow, Aizen, and the fullbringers yet, even though they were hinted at or even shown to have returned for a brief moment. So I hope we get to see them soon.

And finally, a little more backstory on how Yhwach was defeated the first time around would have been nice. But that's really it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

This is not a bash Thread . So far i have lately witnessing in this arc was totally disappointing .. I don't know were this War Arc is heading towards.

I always thought Kubo was genius and different from other Mangaka . I Do see his flaws and Weakness are Finally Showing up in this Arc .

1. He should have explained about Yhwach and Quincy when Ichigo met Uryu Ishida. I hate to say this The War between Shingami and Quincy was never Forseen or about little about Yhwach was discussed . This was Kubo's first Mistake.

2. His Second Mistake : Makes the Character to OP . He made Aizen way to OP and made himself Invinsible . Aso the case with Espada Ranking which are seriously inconsistent . Yammy was shown to be strongest Espada but turns out he was Kenpachi Plaything to him . Samething he is doing to Yhwach and his cronies he made the, OP. I hate to say this nearly all the Quincy looked like they could easily take off Shingami's neck .

3. Third Mistake : The Final Arc had a Powerful Impact and killed of Some Good Character. Kubo was hailed as Shonen Mangaka who is daring to step into shoes of Legendary Mangaka like Inoue Takehiko .

The Second half of the Arc suddenly goes Downhill after As nodt defeat . It Seems like Kubo looks disinterested and just want to finish this off as soon as Possible . It is really Upsetting one of my fav manga turning out like this .

Your thoughts where exactly is Kubo is going Wrong ? I cannot Deny it there is lot of Criticism how he is taking the final Arc.

Claim this isn't a bash thread then proceed to bash hmmmmm.​

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

Kubo is a great character creator and one of the best manga artists, unfortunately he sucks at story telling. He created a brilliant shonen manga, funny, action packed, excellent arcs with not too much complexity but not too linear, exceptional characters and the ability to deliever drama without killing off characters for a cheap affect and then...

Then we came to the end of the Aizen business, this was were he started killing characters off and it seemed to be the turning point in the manga that sent it into a downward spiral. He totally changed the manga, it went from shonen to sienen, he kills off characters for no reason, popular characters that have a major impact on his reader numbers, the humour turns from funny to blatant smut, his characters personalities changed, Ichigo went from brooding anti hero to space cadet, the story became disjointed, unstable, over complex and lost all its structure.

At times I have thought the chapter was fan made and I was being trolled it is as though someone else is writing it. I don't know what happened to create such a negative change in a writer but he killed his own manga and no matter what anyone says or how low its drops in the ratings it seems to have no impact on him, to be honest I am very surprised that Shuisha is letting it continue thiet editor must be asleep, I can't see Kubo ever having another major manga. Its a shame Kubo killed his own manga with what can only be described as a complete loss of logic or a Kanye West complex and Naruto was ruined by being totally over commercialized.

 

[The8thGateBeast]

Kubo is a great character creator and one of the best manga artists, unfortunately he sucks at story telling. He created a brilliant shonen manga, funny, action packed, excellent arcs with not too much complexity but not too linear, exceptional characters and the ability to deliever drama without killing off characters for a cheap affect and then...

Then we came to the end of the Aizen business, this was were he started killing characters off and it seemed to be the turning point in the manga that sent it into a downward spiral. He totally changed the manga, it went from shonen to sienen, he kills off characters for no reason, popular characters that have a major impact on his reader numbers, the humour turns from funny to blatant smut, his characters personalities changed, Ichigo went from brooding anti hero to space cadet, the story became disjointed, unstable, over complex and lost all its structure.

At times I have thought the chapter was fan made and I was being trolled it is as though someone else is writing it. I don't know what happened to create such a negative change in a writer but he killed his own manga and no matter what anyone says or how low its drops in the ratings it seems to have no impact on him, to be honest I am very surprised that Shuisha is letting it continue thiet editor must be asleep, I can't see Kubo ever having another major manga. Its a shame Kubo killed his own manga with what can only be described as a complete loss of logic or a Kanye West complex and Naruto was ruined by being totally over commercialized.

Naruto ruined by being over commercialized?? Wtf that sounds like a personal problem like how does a popular series being advertised a bad thing?? You may not want it shoved down your throat but to say it was ruined because of it is just ludicrous.

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

Naruto ruined by being over commercialized?? Wtf that sounds like a personal problem like how does a popular series being advertised a bad thing?? You may not want it shoved down your throat but to say it was ruined because of it is just ludicrous.

Thats not what I mean. Naturo was manipulated so that junk like the Last, novels and more movies could be produced, the manga story was manipulated so that more money could be milked from it. Naruto should have gone out on a bang, it should have been important, instead of that they packed up there bags went home, married incompatible partners had kids and lived a peace that happened overnight, then the whole of Naruto's life was rewritten so they could fit Hinata into every crevice

The story was controlled to make money out of it

 

[The8thGateBeast]

Thats not what I mean. Naturo was manipulated so that junk like the Last, novels and more movies could be produced, the manga story was manipulated so that more money could be milked from it. Naruto should have gone out on a bang, it should have been important, instead of that they packed up there bags went home, married incompatible partners had kids and lived a peace that happened overnight, then the whole of Naruto's life was rewritten so they could fit Hinata into every crevice

The story was controlled to make money out of it

I don't see the problem..... the ending was the most logical outcome like Naruto becoming Hokage, Sasuke being good and all the villages uniting and peace finally achieved. The pairings were also logical Kishimoto d!ck tease pairings for the entirety of Naruto and again logically it was going to be NaruaHina and SasuSaku, if the pairings didn't happen then it would be a smack to the face to all the fans.

Yes I can't deny they are making money off the ending but to say it was manipulated is a bit of a stretch, think about it no matter how it would have ended they would still have found a way to milk it even more Dbz and its ending is the biggest example.