[Theory] Princess Kaguya and Rikudou's Tribe Became the Uzumaki Clan

[Draxus]

His name wasnt Uzumaki at birth. If a tribe/clan undergoes namechange, it remains the same tribe/clan blood wise, just under a different name. The sage his birth name wasnt Uzumaki, but he can have renamed his tribe into the Uzumaki clan.

But why? What reason would there be to change the name? If the name changed so far down the line after mingling with other bloodlines, is it truly the same clan? I think not.

Clearly the Ootsutsuki didn't have large chakra pools, and nothing indicates strong life forces or sealing techniques. So even if they did the Ootsutsuki and the Uzumaki are very different people.

Rikudou's direct descendants were the Uchihas and Senjus only because the Apical ancestor of the Elder and Younger Sons was him, the Shinobi-Era Uzumaki Clan descended not from Rikudou but from his Kinsmen who were the progenitor Uzumakis, thus making them distant blood relatives of his children's clans: the Uchihas and Senjus. The other clans like the Hyuugas,Aburames,Akimichis,etc. descended from the pre-ninjutsu families that lived during Rikudou's Era, not from his bloodline, Hagoromo was no "Adam" sir, not all Shinobis descended from him. Lol

Masterful use of redirection to blur the subject at hand. However it's quite clear you didn't counter my point that your logic is faulty. You can't say the Elder son's descendants became the Uchiha so the Elder Son is an Uchiha. That just isn't a true statement.

Also if you think some how every single person born from the bloodline of the Sage's sons', across who knows how many generations, somehow all wound up in just 2 clans... well... you're just not using deductive reasoning. If direct descendants exist, it is only logical to conclude indirect descendants also existed.

 

[Rchan81]

Exactly, the same way that Elder and Younger Sons had Ootsuki as their surnames but their descendant's clans' names became Uchihas and Senjus. It's very simple really.

Now that it is revealed that Rikudou had blood relatives, I am more confident than ever that they were the progenitor Uzumakis.

This is very different from "Rikudou is an Uzumaki"... You just said he isn't

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This is very different from "Rikudou is an Uzumaki"... You just said he isn't

But he is Uzumaki, not by name, but by consanguinity, the same way the Elder Son was an Uchiha and the Younger Son was a Senju even if their surnames were Ootsuki back then, I have always maintained that Rikudou's Uzumaki Heritage was that of the Pre-Ninjutsu Era, not the Shinobi-Era Uzumaki Clan aka he belonged to the progenitor Uzumaki bloodline.

 

[Rchan81]

But he is Uzumaki, not by name, but by consanguinity, the same way the Elder Son was an Uchiha and the Younger Son was a Senju even if their surnames were Ootsuki back then, I have always maintained that Rikudou's Uzumaki Heritage was that of the Pre-Ninjutsu Era, not the Shinobi-Era Uzumaki Clan aka he belonged to the progenitor Uzumaki bloodline.

But why? What reason would there be to change the name? If the name changed so far down the line after mingling with other bloodlines, is it truly the same clan? I think not.

Clearly the Ootsutsuki didn't have large chakra pools, and nothing indicates strong life forces or sealing techniques. So even if they did the Ootsutsuki and the Uzumaki are very different people.



Masterful use of redirection to blur the subject at hand. However it's quite clear you didn't counter my point that your logic is faulty. You can't say the Elder son's descendants became the Uchiha so the Elder Son is an Uchiha. That just isn't a true statement.

Also if you think some how every single person born from the bloodline of the Sage's sons', across who knows how many generations, somehow all wound up in just 2 clans... well... you're just not using deductive reasoning. If direct descendants exist, it is only logical to conclude indirect descendants also existed.

Thanks Draxus that is exactly what I'm thinking. Perhaps difference of opinion derp, but because his descendants became the Uzumaki clan does not make Rikudou an Uzumaki.

 

[Dragon Master]

All humans didn't have any chakra, before Kaguya ate God Tree's fruit and gave birth to Rikudou.
She was the first people who had chakra (after eating God Tree's fruit).

Did Rikudou give his chakra to humans?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Lol, the Sage is Uzumaki, he is Uchiha, he is Senju, he is Ootsutsuki... what a mess hahaha XDDDD

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Doesn't reply to people who give him a challenge. Replies to people who agree with him, and those with poor arguments against his theory.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Doesn't reply to people who give him a challenge. Replies to people who agree with him, and those with poor arguments against his theory.

Let's get out of this thread. We got clear our points and if he isn't interested in discussion it is his own decision, and we must respect him.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Let's get out of this thread. We got clear our points and if he isn't interested in discussion it is his own decision, and we must respect him.

Haha fair enough, we aren't exactly doing anyone any favours.

 

[ethris]

Let's think logically for a minute, others keep insisting that the Uzumakis were merely off-shoot of the Senjus from the Younger Son, but if that's the case, why do they have something so important and so secretive as Rikudou's Jutsus? wouldn't the Senjus being the true direct descendants of the Younger Son should be the ones to acquire them? why give Rikudou's Fuuinjutsus to merely off-shoots like the Uzumakis? it's because they're not off-shoots, Rikudou/Hagoromo himself gave his Fuuinjutsu to the Uzumakis because the Tribe/Family he belonged to became the Uzumaki Clan

from this last chapter we learned where hashi got his mokuton. u dont think thats considered a jutsu of the sage?.. uzumakis have sealing techniques. that were refered to as "thats the SO6P" because either they are the sages techniques and the uzmakis learned them(even tho that wouldnt have taught naruto hwo to use it..), or the uzumaki inherited them. or kurama only said that because of the similarity between that sealing tech and the one the sage had..not to mention minato knew all the uzumaki sealing techniques to. he also has a cloak like naruto he also looks the same in BM also was considered to be the child of phrophecy..so i guess we could assume the namakaze clan that we know little about can be the clan the sage made as well. my point being that u say lets think logically when your just speculating. see i can do that to.

 

[ethris]

Exactly, the same way that Elder and Younger Sons had Ootsuki as their surnames but their descendant's clans' names became Uchihas and Senjus. It's very simple really.

Now that it is revealed that Rikudou had blood relatives, I am more confident than ever that they were the progenitor Uzumakis.

does this mean your finally admitting you first theory was wrong? your finally accepting that the sage isnt an uzumaki. cause your theory was never that he was a progenitor of the uzumakis. your theory was that he is an uzumaki... btw you just said

Exactly, the same way that Elder and Younger Sons had Ootsuki as their surnames but their descendant's clans' names became Uchihas and Senjus. It's very simple really.

according to that logic no matter what clans the sage made.. he couldve made a 100 clans...but no matter what according to your logic he is STILL NOT AN UZUMAKI AND HE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SAME CLAN AS Hagoromo Ootsuki ...and if you say hes not uzumaki in name but in consanguinity again , that word would only work if you said the uzumaki arent Ootsuki in name but in consanguinity(consanguinity is the quality of being descended from the same ancestor as another person) and according to you logic the senju uzumaki and uchia are all the same blood as Hagoromo Ootsuki.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

does this mean your finally admitting you first theory was wrong? your finally accepting that the sage isnt an uzumaki. cause your theory was never that he was a progenitor of the uzumakis. your theory was that he is an uzumaki... btw you just said

Exactly, the same way that Elder and Younger Sons had Ootsuki as their surnames but their descendant's clans' names became Uchihas and Senjus. It's very simple really.

according to that logic no matter what clans the sage made.. he couldve made a 100 clans...but no matter what according to your logic he is STILL NOT AN UZUMAKI AND HE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SAME CLAN AS Hagoromo Ootsuki ...and if you say hes not uzumaki in name but in consanguinity again , that word would only work if you said the uzumaki arent Ootsuki in name but in consanguinity(consanguinity is the quality of being descended from the same ancestor as another person) and according to you logic the senju uzumaki and uchia are all the same blood as Hagoromo Ootsuki.

I said i was gona leave the thread, but I came back to say two things.

1) I agree with bold.

2) He probably won't reply to your post.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The one who made the theory of the Sage as the Ancestor of Uzumaki was me

If the manga states that the Sage had younger brothers/sisters with chakra that created that Clan, my theory will be damn wrong.

If the manga states that clan ate the fruit a millenium after the Sage's birth, my theory will be damn wrong too.

Oh well XD

 

[Pure Logic]

This would explain why Madara gave Nagato his Rinnegan... since he is a descendant of the Uzumaki Clan

 

[raziel777]

Exactly, the same way that Elder and Younger Sons had Ootsuki as their surnames but their descendant's clans' names became Uchihas and Senjus. It's very simple really.

Now that it is revealed that Rikudou had blood relatives, I am more confident than ever that they were the progenitor Uzumakis.

You are one weird dude you know. Yeah let's only talk with the people that agree with me. Constructive criticism ? Who needs that stuff ?

 

[raziel777]

But he is Uzumaki, not by name, but by consanguinity, the same way the Elder Son was an Uchiha and the Younger Son was a Senju even if their surnames were Ootsuki back then, I have always maintained that Rikudou's Uzumaki Heritage was that of the Pre-Ninjutsu Era, not the Shinobi-Era Uzumaki Clan aka he belonged to the progenitor Uzumaki bloodline.

I'm Haitian with some French blood but mostly African blood. Does that mean that my great grand father who was from some African tribe was Haitian ? NO.

 

[Bronze]

Sir Derp Obito theory is puuuuuuuuure speculation nothing more. he says he is Uzumaki because his consanguinity. This guy doesn't wanna admit he is wrong and he keeps spew the same nonsense. i really had a deep respect for you but now you are annoying and acting stupid stating that your theories are facts when they are wrong.

Based on sealing jutsu that he is Uzumaki. all jutsu came from SO6P, so by his logic he is all ninja clans. SO6P came from Otsutski and he had the cells of Uchiha and Senju which makes him the combination of 3.

SO6P is not Uzumaki and he will never be Uzumaki.

 

[adeshina365]

Ignore the haters, nice thread.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It only takes intuition and common sense to see that Kishimoto is purposely obscuring the relationship the Uzumakis have with the Senjus and Uchihas as being "distant blood relatives" the Uzumaki's relationship with the Uchihas has been established since 618 when the Shiki Fuujin required the Uchiha Tablet as the catalyst for the Shinigami Mask to unseal the Reaper, also, not one mention of the Uzumaki Clan during Hashirama's flashback despite the fact that he was married to one (Mito) and that the Uzumaki whirlpool symbol was integrated into the Konoha Symbol, it's so obvious Kishimoto is keeping the Uzumaki Clan in the shadows, this is it, Hagoromo and his kinsmen were the progenitor Uzumakis.

 

[Draxus]

It only takes intuition and common sense to see that Kishimoto is purposely obscuring the relationship the Uzumakis have with the Senjus and Uchihas as being "distant blood relatives" the Uzumaki's relationship with the Uchihas has been established since 618 when the Shiki Fuujin required the Uchiha Tablet as the catalyst for the Shinigami Mask to unseal the Reaper, also, not one mention of the Uzumaki Clan during Hashirama's flashback despite the fact that he was married to one (Mito) and that the Uzumaki whirlpool symbol was integrated into the Konoha Symbol, it's so obvious Kishimoto is keeping the Uzumaki Clan in the shadows, this is it, Hagoromo and his kinsmen were the progenitor Uzumakis.

Please re-read 618... the Uchiha table had nothing to do with the Shiki Fuujin. They used the room to have private place to rez the Hokage.

How would Hashirama mentioning Mito or her clan reveal any link between the Uzumaki and the Sage? His story was about him, Madara, and the founding of Konoha. Sage had nothing to do with his story.

The Uzumaki have not been kept in the shadows. We know more about them than any clan other than Senju and Uchiha.

You should probably go back to not replying to counter points... you're drowning.