[Discussion] "Prime Whitebeard"?

[Forbidden Tale]

it's not just automatically gen 1 > aEVERYTHING; we get plenty of tha in Pokemon, the top tiers in every generation are comparable

Garp=Roger and Luffy will=Roger so it would make sense for Dragon to be on about Roger's level, ...

Not necessary, in Naruto we have Hashirama and Madara (let's call them 1st generation) than we have a lot of shinobis (Kakashi, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, let's call them 2nd generation) and than we have 3rd generation (Naruto and Sasuke).
The only ones that surpassed first generation are Naruto and Sasuke. I would draw same parallel in One Piece.

 

[Hexuze]

Not necessary, in Naruto we have Hashirama and Madara (let's call them 1st generation) than we have a lot of shinobis (Kakashi, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, let's call them 2nd generation) and than we have 3rd generation (Naruto and Sasuke).
The only ones that surpassed first generation are Naruto and Sasuke. I would draw same parallel in One Piece.

Difference here is that Naruto/Sasuke are given their powerups (the top tier powerups), whereas Luffy busted his ass for 2 years just so he can survive in the new world. Luffy still has a long way to go to achieve his goal/dream and it makes sense. He won't surpass prime WB/Roger without another timeskip IMO.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Difference here is that Naruto/Sasuke are given their powerups (the top tier powerups), whereas Luffy busted his ass for 2 years just so he can survive in the new world. Luffy still has a long way to go to achieve his goal/dream and it makes sense. He won't surpass prime WB/Roger without another timeskip IMO.

That's not the point. Point is: In the end 3rd generation (Luffy) will surpass WB/Roger, I didn't say that Luffy is currently stronger than WB and point is also that 2nd generation (Shanks) will not surpass WB/isn't stronger than WB, just like Kakashi or Jiraiya didn't surpass Madara or Hashirama.

 

[Olorin]

Not necessary, in Naruto we have Hashirama and Madara (let's call them 1st generation) than we have a lot of shinobis (Kakashi, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, let's call them 2nd generation) and than we have 3rd generation (Naruto and Sasuke).
The only ones that surpassed first generation are Naruto and Sasuke. I would draw same parallel in One Piece.

except that Naruto has one of teh worst power scales ever

don't draw Naruto power scale parallels to OP it just ends up sounding ridiculous

 

[Bogard]

OT: imo prime Roger, Garp~>WB

Dafuq? Impossible that Garp could be stronger than WB unless he grew worse than a dude who was still considered stronger than him despite his old and sick state. Buggy clearly said only WB could equally match Roger

 

[Forbidden Tale]

except that Naruto has one of teh worst power scales ever

don't draw Naruto power scale parallels to OP it just ends up sounding ridiculous

It don't sound ridiculous at all, similarity is there. -.-

 

[YellowFang]

Prime WB was a monster, no one even thinks about going up against him...
Roger's abilities are yet to be revealed so WB in his heyday was the strongest of the Pirates ever...

And current Teach isn't on MF WB's level IMO

 

[Olorin]

and people say Sabo is overrated XD

 

[Red Swag]

can someone post something where it says wb = roger? pls?

 

[Bogard]

can someone post something where it says wb = roger? pls?

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[ILikeChicken]

yea ... no, just ... no

OT: imo prime Roger, Garp~>WB

for the more current gens: Dragon~>WB, BB will become stronger~ at some point, at least 2 WG/Marine officials will => WB, Shanks~=WB, Kaido, BM and Aokiji aren't far behind

*it's Prime WB in all of teh above

I think too many ppl imagine this huuuuuuuuuuuge gap between Roger and WB (tho according to Roger himself Garp should be there also) and EVERYONE else

every generation has it's top tier

gen 1: Roger, Garp, WB, ...
gen 2: Dragon, Shanks, Kaido ...
gen 3: Luffy, BB, Law, ...

it's not just automatically gen 1 > aEVERYTHING; we get plenty of tha in Pokemon, the top tiers in every generation are comparable

Garp=Roger and Luffy will=Roger so it would make sense for Dragon to be on about Roger's level, ...

or think about it this way

ppl say that Roger and Whitebeard über alles and noone is all that close but:
one day Luffy=Roger and BB will therefore=Roger and so at least on WB/Marine will=Roger
Zoro will always be a high to extreme dif for Luffy and so will at least 1 more since he needs at least one Opponent

so right there you have at least 5 characters above or equal to prime WB and the same more or less goes for any generation so yea you can even find ppl atm who are equal or maybe one or two even stronger than prime WB

Well you have to read my post carefully. If WB had destroyed the whole island Kizaru and Akainu would have been done.. They lose most of their power if they come in contact to the sea water. Since there would be no place to escape they could not avoid it. Well Kuzan could freeze a part of the ocean... still he won't win against WB shaking around the sea... Kuzan himself stated earthquakes cannot be frozen. So yeah in this scenario, if WB would destroy the island, Newgate could solo them.


What makes you think that Garp ~> Newgate? It was stated that WB tied with Roger. So prime WB = prime Roger. Plus it was stated prime Garp tied with prime Roger. So it is more likely prime Roger = prime Garp = prime Newgate. You cannot say Garp is more likely above WB.
Second thing is, what makes you believe Dragon ~> Newgate? Until now Dragon is pretty much featless when it comes to combat. He stopped the execution and smoker back then but common... thats not a feat nowadays, especially compared to WB.
Also Dragon is the "most wanted person" not the "strongest person". The reason for that is because he is the leader of the opposition of the world government. Even the fleet admiral stated that Edward Newgate is the strongest person who held the power to destroy the planet Oo

And at least I never stated "Gen 1 > following gens".. I just asked for some Pirates who might be able to get a tie or even win against him nothing more nothing less.

 

[Olorin]

Well you have to read my post carefully. If WB had destroyed the whole island Kizaru and Akainu would have been done.. They lose most of their power if they come in contact to the sea water. Since there would be no place to escape they could not avoid it. Well Kuzan could freeze a part of the ocean... still he won't win against WB shaking around the sea... Kuzan himself stated earthquakes cannot be frozen. So yeah in this scenario, if WB would destroy the island, Newgate could solo them.


What makes you think that Garp ~> Newgate? It was stated that WB tied with Roger. So prime WB = prime Roger. Plus it was stated prime Garp tied with prime Roger. So it is more likely prime Roger = prime Garp = prime Newgate. You cannot say Garp is more likely above WB.
Second thing is, what makes you believe Dragon ~> Newgate? Until now Dragon is pretty much featless when it comes to combat. He stopped the execution and smoker back then but common... thats not a feat nowadays, especially compared to WB.
Also Dragon is the "most wanted person" not the "strongest person". The reason for that is because he is the leader of the opposition of the world government. Even the fleet admiral stated that Edward Newgate is the strongest person who held the power to destroy the planet Oo

And at least I never stated "Gen 1 > following gens".. I just asked for some Pirates who might be able to get a tie or even win against him nothing more nothing less.

WB would destroy the island ... And drown :/

I think Roger was a tad stronger than WB because he was the PK (and this is a manga), because he is a D, because he is just like Luffy, because he was the first character introduced, ... Things like that may not be good arguments overall but they work in a manga

As for Garp, I think what I do because of what Roger said and because he is Dragon's father and Liffy's grandfather

Roger is also featless excpet for a title and what is, so far, just hype, Dragon and Roger have the most hype in Op, they are the 2 fathers of Luffy amd Ace and he is the father of the future PK who devoted his life to the revolutionary army, why wouldn't be as powerful as prime Luffy?

As I said before speed is better than the power to destroy a planet in a 1v1 between top tiers :/

But above all I simply wrote my opinion, which you should welcome given the nature of the thread YOU created, so instead of saying that I didn't read your post carefully enough simply say you disagree

 

[Bogard]

Garp one of the most overrated one piece character. Yes Roger did say he cornered him on multiple occasions, but we don't know exactly how, neither do we know the means he used to use to accomplish that. Not to mention we don't know as well when exactly he managed this.

Crocodile almost killed Luffy twice, but he is nowhere near his level now. Lucci almost killed Luffy, but he is nowhere near his level now. Smoker cornered Luffy on multiple occasions, but he is not on Luffy's level anymore. It could have happened when Roger wasn't in his prime. Many things can be speculated around those lines without actually meaning Garp was close let alone equal to Roger's level

What we do know for a fact however is that

1- Garp the one who spent his time chasing Roger wasn't even acknowledged as Roger's equal by someone who spent his lifetime with him by being his crewmate(Buggy), saying only WB equalled him

2- He needed Sengoku's help to defeat Shiki(not on Roger's level) in a battle that destroyed half of marineford

3- WB with age and disease issues was considered the strongest man in the world. How can Garp grow that much worse than someone old and sickened to the point of being under constant medic attention if he was comparable to him(if not stronger like someone says) in the past?

 

[Olorin]

Garp one of the most overrated one piece character. Yes Roger did say he cornered him on multiple occasions, but we don't know exactly how, neither do we know the means he used to use to accomplish that. Not to mention we don't know as well when exactly he managed this.

Crocodile almost killed Luffy twice, but he is nowhere near his level now. Lucci almost killed Luffy, but he is nowhere near his level now. Smoker cornered Luffy on multiple occasions, but he is not on Luffy's level anymore. It could have happened when Roger wasn't in his prime. Many things can be speculated around those lines without actually meaning Garp was close let alone equal to Roger's level

yes and I guess if Luffy ever has a baby he will entrust Crocodile and Lucci to take care of it and raise it up too?

WB is overrated as ???? especially in these last 2 days, you have ppl saying he would solo the 3 admirals or that he would solo one of them without any major difficulty, ppl seem to think there is this major gap between him&Roger and everyone else

1. Garp was acknowledged as Roger's equal by Roger, Buggy doesn't matter one bit here, but hey Buggy is DEFINITELY not known for inflating everything out of proportions

2. a mad man was attacking and raining ships on the Navy HQ god forbid more than one soldier there should fight him and stop him from destroying the island before it's too late

3. the strongest man in the world was almost beaten by Akainu and there are characters who were most likely stronger than Akainu at that time like Dragon, Shanks or Kaido

 

[Bogard]

yes and I guess if Luffy ever has a baby he will entrust Crocodile and Lucci to take care of it and raise it up too?

They became buddies with time like Roger said. Since when was Crocodile and Lucci a buddy of Luffy? Besides, he is a marine, same marines who were looking for every Roger relative to kill them and if he didn't talk to Garp like this, it would have happened. Garp was the most convenient individual he could give such a tast considering only a elite marine could fool other marines in such a task

WB is overrated as ???? especially in these last 2 days, you have ppl saying he would solo the 3 admirals or that he would solo one of them without any major difficulty, ppl seem to think there is this major gap between him&Roger and everyone else

Because they are? In a old and sickened state(to the point of requiring constant medic attention), they(Akainu and Sengoku mostly) had to create a plan to weaken him even more by using one of his allies before trying to engage him properly. In a even worse state than that after receiving multiple injuries, he 2 shoted Akainu. What do you think would be the gap if he was in his prime without injuries and disease problems?

1. Garp was acknowledged as Roger's equal by Roger, Buggy doesn't matter one bit here, but hey Buggy is DEFINITELY not known for inflating everything out of proportions

He was never acknowledged as Roger's equal to begin with. You're the only one who changed a character statement that way to suit your argument when there are plenty factors around it that we don't know like the circumstances, the time and the means. Buggy's statement is legit considering he was always travelling with Roger, yet he never acknowledged a Garp who was constantly chasing him. Only one he acknowledged is Whitebeard

2. a mad man was attacking and raining ships on the Navy HQ god forbid more than one soldier there should fight him and stop him from destroying the island before it's too late

And they could only neutralize him after a long battle that destroyed half of marineford despite being in a 2 vs 1

3. the strongest man in the world was almost beaten by Akainu and there are characters who were most likely stronger than Akainu at that time like Dragon, Shanks or Kaido

No, the strongest man in the world after being stabbed by a cowardly attack from Akainu by using one of his buddies, continuously weakening due to sickness and stab increasing it more and lowering his physical and mental capacity, constantly receiving injuries in battle, still having strength to 2 shot Akainu, continue his destruction of marineford, almost destroying Teach in a close to death state before dying of all the mortal injuries he received from his already sickened state. Besides, we don't know how Akainu compare with the people you mention, so i won't discuss about it. Totally baseless claim

 

[Olorin]

They became buddies with time like Roger said. Since when was Crocodile and Lucci a buddy of Luffy? Besides, he is a marine, same marines who were looking for every Roger relative to kill them and if he didn't talk to Garp like this, it would have happened. Garp was the most convenient individual he could give such a tast considering only a elite marine could fool other marines in such a task

Because they are? In a old and sickened state(to the point of requiring constant medic attention), they(Akainu and Sengoku mostly) had to create a plan to weaken him even more by using one of his allies before trying to engage him properly. In a even worse state than that after receiving multiple injuries, he 2 shoted Akainu. What do you think would be the gap if he was in his prime without injuries and disease problems?

He was never acknowledged as Roger's equal to begin with. You're the only one who changed a character statement that way to suit your argument when there are plenty factors around it that we don't know like the circumstances, the time and the means. Buggy's statement is legit considering he was always travelling with Roger, yet he never acknowledged a Garp who was constantly chasing him. Only one he acknowledged is Whitebeard

And they could only neutralize him after a long battle that destroyed half of marineford despite being in a 2 vs 1

No, the strongest man in the world after being stabbed by a cowardly attack from Akainu by using one of his buddies, continuously weakening due to sickness and stab increasing it more and lowering his physical and mental capacity, constantly receiving injuries in battle, still having strength to 2 shot Akainu, continue his destruction of marineford, almost destroying Teach in a close to death state before dying of all the mortal injuries he received from his already sickened state. Besides, we don't know how Akainu compare with the people you mention, so i won't discuss about it. Totally baseless claim

I'm just gonna stop you right there, I won't read this because I don't have neither the time nor the will to argue something where the outcome is clear

Have a nice day

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Garp was acknowledged as Roger's equal by Roger, Buggy doesn't matter one bit here, but hey Buggy is DEFINITELY not known for inflating everything out of proportions

Roger didn't acknowledged Garp as equal, he just said that they nearly killed each other, that don't necessary mean that they are equal.

If Garp with a lot of back up was able to nearly kill Roger, it fit Roger's statament.
If Garp was able to nearly kill Roger, while latter was ill, it fit Roger's statement.
If Garp was in some advantage over Roger and nearly killed Roger in fight (same as Enel vs Luffy), it fit Roger's statamet, but that don't say that they are equal!