Prime Obito vs Naruto or Sasuke

[synkross]

lol you guys are still at it.

1st lets see Juubito(Prime) vs Sasuke(rennigan):

Juubito's abilities are clearly stated by Op that he can also use dual kamui and phase and use susanoo,mokuton etc.

Now lets break down Sasukes abilities.
EMS Sasuke + sage's power up = rennigan Sasuke correct?
So that means we just have to see what new powers he used that separates Rennigan Sasuke form EMS Sasuke.

1.His moon tattoo on left palm : only purpose of this thing is to seal Kaguya. Can not help against Juubito.
2.Sasuke's Susanoo can fly now : it is a movement improvement form EMS susanoo but no buff to its firepower so it does not help Sasuke's case against Juubito due to Juubito's far superior firepower and ability to fly aswell. Sasuke's susanoo can fly/swim/dance/twerk all day but its not gonna overpower or escape Juubito.

So these two powerups does not make much difference between EMS Sasuke and Rennigan Sasuke in his fight against Juubito.

3.Now the 3rd and final power up that Rennigan Sasuke showed was his ability to swap with objects in his line of sight with a cooldown per swap

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Here Sasuke swaped once than later said that he was on cooldown.

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We can see that after he swaping with sakura's Jacket, he is still on cooldown. (off topic: and ppl compare this sh*t with ftg Lol)

anyhow my point is, the only difference between EMS Sasuke and Rennigan Sasuke is his swaping ability. (No mentioned increase in his raw power)
as i already stated the other 2 power ups wont matter against Juubito.

So i'll call it Juubito vs Rennigan Sasuke (basically EMS Sasuke with swapping ability with cooldown per swap)
As Juubito has a huge arsenal at his disposal so there can be multiple scenarios.

Juubito can easily put pressure by bombarding Sasuke with juubi dama. This will cause Sasuke to use his Swap ability thus putting it on cooldown. Then Juubito can put him in barrier and keep nuking till sasuke vaporizes or Juubito can simple snipe his head off or bind him with chakra chains and again nuke him. Just too many options for Juubito for which Sasuke will have no counter once he is on cooldown.
while all of Sasuke's Jutsu will be Negated by Omnyudon. His Susanoo will be destroyed just like kaguya destroyed it by overpowering it. (as already stated Rennigan sasuke and EMS sasuke's susanoo fire power is same)

The only thing Sasuke can do is use his 1st swap successfully and try to slice Juubito just like he did to Juubidara. cuz if it fails to put down Juubito, Sasuke will have a cooldown and will get a*s raped.

Now lets look at this slicing BS

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which in itself is a plot hole cuz it was already established that Jinchuriiki's Hide is unpierceable

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and Sasuke is able to pierce 10 tails host with is chopstick? LMAO.....BUT i won't get into this, it is what it is.

The problem here is that Sasuke cut Madara as he caught him by surprise and also Madara was on ground and did an Unknown damage, yes i say unknown dmg cuz even after being cut Madara was doing business with his usual swag without feeling any kind of dmg.
Now Juubito will not only be flyng up in the air while bombarding but can also phase through anything with a reaction speed greater than Juubidara.

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All in all, Sasuke has nothing that can effectively be applied to Juubito and can put him down for good while on the other hand Juubito is going to overpower him after the very 1st swap leaving Sasuke no options other than to get his ass kicked.
(cuz as i said before Rennigan Sasuke on cooldown after 1 swap is essentially EMS Sasuke with no advantage in firepower against Juubito)

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i'll do the naruto case later, gonna take a break.

 

[moihican]

Doesn't matter. Kakashi had enough to warp the Juubi, and he still had to build chakra up. Juubito having more chakra doesn't change the fact he still has to build chakra up to warp something that large.
the juubi's finger is larger than hachibi,something of that size will require some time for kakashi's level of chakra with a mere kn0 shroud. Kakashi was only warping human sized things quickly,after getting a buff he warped bijuu sized things quickly. Plus the juubi is much much larger than sasuke's susanoo anyway


Shinju is the final form of the Juubi. He called the Juubi and it evolved into its final form, the Shinju. Until you get me feats, I'm not tryna hear it. Shinju is the closest thing Obito has to a Bijuu Mode. Hagoromo is irrelevant here, especially since he sealed the Juubi, as a whole, inside himself. He only separated the chakra from its body when he was making the Bijuu.
no,he called the juubi and HE made it go shinju when HE acticated the IT,only the shinju can do it,thus the switched to it. Obito sealed the juubi as a whole in his body as well. Yea, he took the chakra of the JUUBI,not the shinju,which means he could switch between them.


There is no proof that the barrier would be able to block Sasuke's attacks with a buff. "Its Juubi enhanced" isn't a counter argument.
seeing as his barriers can block multiple juubidamas,each far more powerful than sasuke's offence,the burden of proof is on you.


Nope. I never said that. I only pointed out that he was a stronger Jin, not that he heals better because he is a stronger Jin. So I'm not contradicting myself, you're just misunderstanding my post.

Juubito doesn't have better healing than Jin Madara, its the same. The only reason he was able to heal from getting half his body blown off is because he was mutating. No reason to believe that Obito's healing is superior to Madara's, and Madara stated that almost getting half his body blown off could have been fatal.
"A stronger Jin, almost died from having injuries not as severe as the ones berserk Obito had" pretty obvious what you meant by that. Obito DESTROYED the mutating part,a perfect jin pbito would be able to use his juubi's powers to the maximum which includes healing,not to mention the fact that he and juubi were fighting for control of his body,therefore the abilities would even be weaker than they should be. I dont care whether madara would have died,juubito obviously wouldnt



Oh, I thought that you were saying that Obito won't be blitzed because he didn't do it to Kaguya. lmao, read the manga and then get back to me. I've already posted a scan of him teleporting Madara and he already teleported Kaguya in the chapter Naruto used his Sexy Jutsu on her.
was he in his susanoo when he did that?,i thought so. Kaguya's reactions are shitty for her power actually. She got blizted by naruto,couldnt dodge rasenshurikens,has no experience in jutsus etc.


Like I've said, no sensor has ever noticed any kind of teleportation via sensing. Obito isn't a special case just because you want him to be, and go read above. Rikudo's Chakra is pretty much the same as Senjutsu, which Obito can't erase, and he doesn't have the strength feats to smash Madara's Susanoo let alone Sasuke's far superior one.
juubito has already sensed chakra buildup in sasuke's eye before,his s/t follows the same principle.
Lmao
rikudo's chakra natural energy combined=rikudo's senjutsu
rikudo's chakra without natural energy=just his chakra. Sasuke has the latter.chakra and senjutsu are two very different things. Sasuke got the eyes and chakra,naruto got the body and senjutsu. Madara said it clear as day,and didnt make mention of sasuke having senjutsu when he cut him. No mention or even hint of senjutsu for sasuke at all.so yes,it gets erased. Juubito already broke a barrier durable enough to halt a juubidama,and broke restrains strong enough to hold the juubi


Here's the difference buddy. Obito summoned one thing in canon, the Shinju. No reason to believe he can summon the Juubi. S/T teleports anything in Sasuke's range, there is no evidence that Sasuke can't use his S/T while inside his Susanoo.

Even if he can't, which he can, cleaving Obito in half with his Raiton blade is enough, he can even cut him more than once.

execept he didnt. He summoned the juubi,then had it go shinju mode,thus he SWITCHED between both of them.
On the other hand,sasuke has gotten his PS smashed twice,never teleported himself or anything when using susanoo etc. If sasuke attempts to teleport himself near juubito to attack,he gets killed,because juubito will easily strike faster than he will. If he attempts to teleport juubito to himself and manages to injure juubito,juubito heals and rips him in two.

 

[VongolaX]

Rikudou Obito?

Holy crap these guys get raped.

Obito can fight Sasuke with his his Perfect Susanoo, and his shuushin sh*t in comparison to an advance s/t user.
(Kaguya can vouche for that)

Obito is Rikudou Sennin mode (meaning he has all full seven bijuus with a piece of Hachibi and kurama).

So he'll have to counter naruto's bijuu Rasenshuurikens with his gudodama's or bijuudamas for redirection.

Then he'll finish him off by pulling the bijuus out of naruto (like he did Madara).

 

[King Of Pop]

Holy crap, a lot of bs being posted here. Sasuke needing to cool off after 1 use of his jutsu? K lemme get my system. Will get back to this thread

 

[KidGamer65]

I just can't take you serious after denying 4manga scans and then say you countered them when you only denied them. Your acting like Sasuke speed is ftl. Take a look here.(

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). Sasuke supreme teleporting tech was out-speeded by Kakashi Susanoo. Naruto nor Sasuke seen Kakashi coming at all and he managed to get to Sakura before Kakashi could teleport her. In the time it takes him to focus and teleport Obito would have already been intangible. Also every time Sasuke uses his s/tech he focus on the target in the time it takes him to focus Obito would have already went intangible which you yourself said is instant. Proof of him focusing on each and every target he teleports. (

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Deny=/=Counter. You not agreeing doesn't mean that it wasn't countered.

Sasuke was going to use it, but saw the Susanoo coming for her, hence the exclamation point over his head. Don't know where you got that "No one saw them coming" stuff from, but it wasn't the manga.

This battle starts with him looking right at Obito, so the fact he has to look at his target before using his jutsu doesn't change the fact Obito can't react.

Also how is he blitzing him at 150m? Manga disagree's with you on that one because a beaten and battered Obito reacted to Juubi Jin Madara who is much faster than Tobirama. So Gai is now faster than instant smh...

Lol. Petty. You were getting trashed at this point so you decided to sneakily edit the distance in your OP and change it from 50 to 150m. He simply gets in range, waits for Obito to become tangible again, and then blitzes him.

I never compared Gai to instant. You think Minato and Naruto hit him instantaneously, which is stupid since they don't strike instantaneously themselves.

Madara tried to grab his eye. Big whoop. His striking speed has never been anything special anyway. Its his Shunshin.

 

[KidGamer65]

the juubi's finger is larger than hachibi,something of that size will require some time for kakashi's level of chakra with a mere kn0 shroud. Kakashi was only warping human sized things quickly,after getting a buff he warped bijuu sized things quickly. Plus the juubi is much much larger than sasuke's susanoo anyway

Proof for the bold, cause last time I remembered it was as big as its head, not its finger., and like I said, warping Bijuu sized things means nothing here as Sasuke's Susanoo is larger than a Bijuu, by far, and the Juubi being larger than his Susanoo doesn't change the fact that he'll need to build up chakra to warp something that large. Bijuu sized is the smallest he's shown to warp that quickly.

Rinnegan teleportation is instant anyway, so its nigh irrelevant. Or was..until OP changed the distance. Lol

no,he called the juubi and HE made it go shinju when HE acticated the IT,only the shinju can do it,thus the switched to it. Obito sealed the juubi as a whole in his body as well. Yea, he took the chakra of the JUUBI,not the shinju,which means he could switch between them.

He called the Juubi and it evolved into the Shinju, just how it automatically evolved from its first form to its second form. There is no "Call the Juubi and use it to fight" he calls the Juubi and it becomes the Shinju.

Lol, no, it doesn't. The Juubi and the Shinju are the same things, except the Shinju is its final form. Hagoromo never let it reach its final form, he split it up before he ever released it from his body, so there was no Shinju after he had sealed away the Juubi.

seeing as his barriers can block multiple juubidamas,each far more powerful than sasuke's offence,the burden of proof is on you.

Do you even know what burden of proof is? You guys claimed that his Kaenjin would be equal with the strongest barrier used in this series. I suggest you back that up. "Its Juubi enhanced" isn't an argument.

"A stronger Jin, almost died from having injuries not as severe as the ones berserk Obito had" pretty obvious what you meant by that. Obito DESTROYED the mutating part,a perfect jin pbito would be able to use his juubi's powers to the maximum which includes healing,not to mention the fact that he and juubi were fighting for control of his body,therefore the abilities would even be weaker than they should be. I dont care whether madara would have died,juubito obviously wouldnt

Obviously not, you just assumed what I meant.

@bold: Get proof. The rest, is irrelevant. Obito destroying the mutating part doesn't help your claim. The rest is obviously false as Madara, has the same Juubi, but with Yang Kurama, and would have died from that Night Guy attack. Obito won't live from something like that either.

-Same Juubi, same abilities. Manga fact. Meaning the only other factor that differentiates the two cases, is Obito mutating and going berserk while Madara wasn't.

I suppose Obito can extend his body like he did when berserk too amirite? Lmfao, please stop.

was he in his susanoo when he did that?,i thought so. Kaguya's reactions are shitty for her power actually. She got blizted by naruto,couldnt dodge rasenshurikens,has no experience in jutsus etc.

Irrelevant. When you can tell me why Susanoo would prevent Sasuke from moving any other objects besides himself around, then we can talk about Susanoo preventing him from doing so. When there is no reason to believe so.

Naruto is fast, that is all that means.

juubito has already sensed chakra buildup in sasuke's eye before,his s/t follows the same principle.

For Amaterasu. This isn't Amaterasu, and no its not the same principle. If you aren't going to get scans of all the sensors around him not noticing anything, I suggest you stop with the fanfiction.

Lmao
rikudo's chakra natural energy combined=rikudo's senjutsu
rikudo's chakra without natural energy=just his chakra. Sasuke has the latter.chakra and senjutsu are two very different things. Sasuke got the eyes and chakra,naruto got the body and senjutsu. Madara said it clear as day,and didnt make mention of sasuke having senjutsu when he cut him. No mention or even hint of senjutsu for sasuke at all.so yes,it gets erased. Juubito already broke a barrier durable enough to halt a juubidama,and broke restrains strong enough to hold the juubi

Never said they were the same nor did I say Sasuke has Senjutsu. Rikudo's chakra let him injure Madara, who can only be hurt by Senjutsu or Ninjutsu, as Minato stated. So its not getting erased, and its not like Obito can react to his S/T Jutsu to erase Susanoo with the Gudo Dama to begin with.

As I posted above, the Juubidama's force was pushed out of the barrier, it didn't tank it. Breaking restraints<<<<<<<<Breaking Susanoo. Who cares if they are strong enough to bind the Juubi? That doesn't mean they are super durable, it just means they are strong.

 

[ARGUS]

You might as well read upon the definition of react, because I can say you have a hard time unable to understanding the meaning.

Reaction- something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event.

What Madara has done is exactly the definition. He reacted to Sasuke's intent of teleporting through him. While facing Kakashi's side, he turned his whole body around, completed his sentence, and put his hand upfront to block Sasuke. What he, however didn't do is, intercept Sasuke. Why? Because his other Rinnegan was more important to him.

In any case, Juubito possess the Rikudou's Senjutsu, so tracking Sasuke's teleporting intents is an easy job for him. Just as canonically reacting to FTG.

Lol No, - before giving me a lecture, try reading what i actually stated
Madara had

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, there was zero movement, and zero reaction till he was actuallly stabbed with the swords,
and inb4 ''madara had no intel''' no, reaction and reflexes really have nothing to do with intel as madara failed to sense the attack, and failed to even track it, which is why its fair to say that madara got blitzed,

as for sasukes foot speed attack, madara

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, yeah he can see sasukes movement in the scan where he used his foot speed, but he still didnt have the reflexes to use kamui in time,
Obitos reflexes are slower than juubi jin-shinju madara, thats all there is to it, meaning that the same is happening to obito, not to mention that madara had ZERO reaction when sasuke impaled him with the sword through his S/T jutsu,

Obito reacting to Sasukes attack just because he has the tendency to react to FTG doesnt mean shit,

The fact that he talked to Sasuke before he hit him means he reacted are you dumb stupid slow or simple minded?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean that they are dumb, especially seeing how u changed the starting distance without informing us, so that its easier for yu

not to mention that you didnt counter anything at all,, but instead resort to insulting me and calling me ''dumb, stupid, slow or simple minded'' Lol that is sad man, especially when you use NO manga scans at all in-order to prove your point which is even worse

and for the billionth time, he saw sasuke, but he failed to move and prevent himself from sasukes attack thats all there is to it, and against the S/T jutsu where he failed to react in anyway whatsoever and also failed to see the oncoming attack

]Madara already knew that Tobirama could teleport he had no knowledge on Sasuke teleportation tech plus Sasuke striking speed shits on Tobirama's.

Why does having intel matter on madaras reflexes???
he failed to

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and failed to even see the oncoming attack, let alone prevent himself from the sword
@bold - atleast you agree with me on that,

Also how is he blitzing him at 150m? Manga disagree's with you on that one because a beaten and battered Obito reacted to Juubi Jin Madara who is much faster than Tobirama. So Gai is now faster than instant smh...

Obito reacted to a bare hand, it wasnt even his speed nor did he even use his Limbo
and as for the bold - you cant be faster than instant, yet you claim that Guy who is still faster than Juubi Madara isnt,
so how exactly is madara faster than tobirama????

 

[moihican]

Proof for the bold, cause last time I remembered it was as big as its head, not its finger., and like I said, warping Bijuu sized things means nothing here as Sasuke's Susanoo is larger than a Bijuu, by far, and the Juubi being larger than his Susanoo doesn't change the fact that he'll need to build up chakra to warp something that large. Bijuu sized is the smallest he's shown to warp that quickly.
it flicked a bijudama nearly the size of hachibi with its upper finger iirc,at the very least,iys hand is bigger than any bijuu seen.sasuke's susanoo isnt that much bigger than a bijuu,infact,his legless PS was about as big as kurama's head in naruto's bm avater. Juubito has far more chakra than kakashi and thus can warp far bigger objects just as easily,
Rinnegan teleportation is instant anyway, so its nigh irrelevant. Or was..until OP changed the distance. Lol
it may be instant,but sasuke's striking speed isnt


He called the Juubi and it evolved into the Shinju, just how it automatically evolved from its first form to its second form. There is no "Call the Juubi and use it to fight" he calls the Juubi and it becomes the Shinju.
lmao no,it evolved from its first and second form because those forms were incomplete versions as it was revived with only fractions of kurama's and hachibi's chakra,not enough to bring it back at a complete form.the shinju is not an evolution,infact,it was the shinju that even became the juubi in the first place. When madara used full bijuus to revive it,it came back in the complete juubi form. He made it go shinju himself when he activated the IT,thats a mangafact
Lol, no, it doesn't. The Juubi and the Shinju are the same things, except the Shinju is its final form. Hagoromo never let it reach its final form, he split it up before he ever released it from his body, so there was no Shinju after he had sealed away the Juubi.
he had it for years,if it could have evolved it would have evolved. Like i said,it was the shinju that transformed into juubi first. So no,it can be switched as manga shows,you just dont like it
Do you even know what burden of proof is? You guys claimed that his Kaenjin would be equal with the strongest barrier used in this series. I suggest you back that up. "Its Juubi enhanced" isn't an argument.
a barrier is as strong in relation to its user. Juubito powerwise as far above sasuke,so the burden of proof that sasuke can break a barrier performed bu a juubi jin with is on you. Oh and juubito can also casually use another barrier like the one he used to trap the SA around the traa anyway,or infact,fire rapid bijudamas rather than charged ones


Obviously not, you just assumed what I meant.
a 2 year old could understand what you meant
@bold: Get proof. The rest, is irrelevant. Obito destroying the mutating part doesn't help your claim. The rest is obviously false as Madara, has the same Juubi, but with Yang Kurama, and would have died from that Night Guy attack. Obito won't live from something like that either.

-Same Juubi, same abilities. Manga fact. Meaning the only other factor that differentiates the two cases, is Obito mutating and going berserk while Madara wasn't.

I suppose Obito can extend his body like he did when berserk too amirite? Lmfao, please stop.
until you can actually prove thata mindless juubito is apparently better than sane juubito then forget it. Bringing madara dosent do anything,as it woul be saying mindless juubito>juubidara.

Irrelevant. When you can tell me why Susanoo would prevent Sasuke from moving any other objects besides himself around, then we can talk about Susanoo preventing him from doing so. When there is no reason to believe so.
Naruto is fast, that is all that means.
lmao,how about the fact that he has never used it even after having his ps smashed twice?. Susanoo has been shown to prevent some other techs from being activated eg preta path[. When you can prove he can,then you can talk. Madara or juubito would have reacted to those attacks.she was also able to react to sasuke's teleportation attack./b]


For Amaterasu. This isn't Amaterasu, and no its not the same principle. If you aren't going to get scans of all the sensors around him not noticing anything, I suggest you stop with the fanfiction.
both requite chakra buildup in his eye,which obito can sense,simple.unless his s/t requires no buildup? Obito has the feat,i dont care about other sensors.


Never said they were the same nor did I say Sasuke has Senjutsu. Rikudo's chakra let him injure Madara, who can only be hurt by Senjutsu or Ninjutsu, as Minato stated.

if they are not the same,then thats that. Prety sure juubito was injured by a ninjutsu attack. BZ also pierced chest,and he is a ninjutsu if you dont know. His goudama nullidied ninjutsu thats that. He didnt have any when sasuke arrived.hokage barrier>susanoo in durability.sasuke hurt madara with a ninjutsu.

 

[moihican]

Proof for the bold, cause last time I remembered it was as big as its head, not its finger., and like I said, warping Bijuu sized things means nothing here as Sasuke's Susanoo is larger than a Bijuu, by far, and the Juubi being larger than his Susanoo doesn't change the fact that he'll need to build up chakra to warp something that large. Bijuu sized is the smallest he's shown to warp that quickly.
it flicked a bijudama nearly the size of hachibi with its upper finger iirc,at the very least,iys hand is bigger than any bijuu seen.sasuke's susanoo isnt that much bigger than a bijuu,infact,his legless PS was about as big as kurama's head in naruto's bm avater. Juubito has far more chakra than kakashi and thus can warp far bigger objects just as easily,
Rinnegan teleportation is instant anyway, so its nigh irrelevant. Or was..until OP changed the distance. Lol
it may be instant,but sasuke's striking speed isnt


He called the Juubi and it evolved into the Shinju, just how it automatically evolved from its first form to its second form. There is no "Call the Juubi and use it to fight" he calls the Juubi and it becomes the Shinju.
lmao no,it evolved from its first and second form because those forms were incomplete versions as it was revived with only fractions of kurama's and hachibi's chakra,not enough to bring it back at a complete form.the shinju is not an evolution,infact,it was the shinju that even became the juubi in the first place. When madara used full bijuus to revive it,it came back in the complete juubi form. He made it go shinju himself when he activated the IT,thats a mangafact
Lol, no, it doesn't. The Juubi and the Shinju are the same things, except the Shinju is its final form. Hagoromo never let it reach its final form, he split it up before he ever released it from his body, so there was no Shinju after he had sealed away the Juubi.
he had it for years,if it could have evolved it would have evolved. Like i said,it was the shinju that transformed into juubi first. So no,it can be switched as manga shows,you just dont like it
Do you even know what burden of proof is? You guys claimed that his Kaenjin would be equal with the strongest barrier used in this series. I suggest you back that up. "Its Juubi enhanced" isn't an argument.
a barrier is as strong in relation to its user. Juubito powerwise as far above sasuke,so the burden of proof that sasuke can break a barrier performed bu a juubi jin with is on you. Oh and juubito can also casually use another barrier like the one he used to trap the SA around the traa anyway,or infact,fire rapid bijudamas rather than charged ones


Obviously not, you just assumed what I meant.
a 2 year old could understand what you meant
@bold: Get proof. The rest, is irrelevant. Obito destroying the mutating part doesn't help your claim. The rest is obviously false as Madara, has the same Juubi, but with Yang Kurama, and would have died from that Night Guy attack. Obito won't live from something like that either.

-Same Juubi, same abilities. Manga fact. Meaning the only other factor that differentiates the two cases, is Obito mutating and going berserk while Madara wasn't.

I suppose Obito can extend his body like he did when berserk too amirite? Lmfao, please stop.
until you can actually prove thata mindless juubito is apparently better than sane juubito then forget it. Bringing madara dosent do anything,as it woul be saying mindless juubito>juubidara.

Irrelevant. When you can tell me why Susanoo would prevent Sasuke from moving any other objects besides himself around, then we can talk about Susanoo preventing him from doing so. When there is no reason to believe so.
Naruto is fast, that is all that means.
lmao,how about the fact that he has never used it even after having his ps smashed twice?. Susanoo has been shown to prevent some other techs from being activated eg preta path[. When you can prove he can,then you can talk. Madara or juubito would have reacted to those attacks.she was also able to react to sasuke's teleportation attack./b]


For Amaterasu. This isn't Amaterasu, and no its not the same principle. If you aren't going to get scans of all the sensors around him not noticing anything, I suggest you stop with the fanfiction.
both requite chakra buildup in his eye,which obito can sense,simple.unless his s/t requires no buildup? Obito has the feat,i dont care about other sensors.


Never said they were the same nor did I say Sasuke has Senjutsu. Rikudo's chakra let him injure Madara, who can only be hurt by Senjutsu or Ninjutsu, as Minato stated.

if they are not the same,then thats that. Prety sure juubito was injured by a ninjutsu attack. BZ also pierced chest,and he is a ninjutsu if you dont know. His goudama nullidied ninjutsu thats that. He didnt have any when sasuke arrived.hokage barrier>susanoo in durability.sasuke hurt madara with a ninjutsu.

 

[genii96]

Madara only tracked him, however his reflexes werent enough to allow him to react to Sasukes attack,,
if he wouldve been able to react, then he wouldnt have been seveered in half,
Madara was cut in half,

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he clearly didnt have the reflexes to be able to do so before getting cut in half
so if u think madara reacted to this attack,, then read the manga properly


The kunai was right near madara, and thats when Tobirama executed his FTG slash,
madaraa reacted to FTG in his RT form by sensing the oncoming attack, but failed to react to sasukes S/T jutsu and thats that, meaning that Obito is sufferring the same (if not even worse) fate than Madara
sasuke doesnt need to warp his body, if Obito is close enough then he can use

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to attack Obito (which he is not reacting to)
and can also use his PS slashes to attack Obito with

lmao.
He was able to make a full turn and make a full sentence. Yet you think he couldnt react?,does kamui take longer than turning around?,infact does kamui take longer than making a full sentence?,does madara's arm movement take as long as a sentence?lmao. He had absolutely no problem with sasuke.

When madara reacts to having his body marked,then you can speak.juubito reacted to something faster.
If sasuke manages to hurt juubito he heals the next instant and rips him apart
juubito can just call the juubi and thats the end of sasuke

 

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Deny=/=Counter. You not agreeing doesn't mean that it wasn't countered.

Sasuke was going to use it, but saw the Susanoo coming for her, hence the exclamation point over his head. Don't know where you got that "No one saw them coming" stuff from, but it wasn't the manga.

This battle starts with him looking right at Obito, so the fact he has to look at his target before using his jutsu doesn't change the fact Obito can't react.

If they saw Kakashi coming why in the world would Naruto tell him to teleport her? Also you saying that he realized Kakashi l00l i don't think so because if he did he wouldn't have been so shocked in the next page.

Lol. Petty. You were getting trashed at this point so you decided to sneakily edit the distance in your OP and change it from 50 to 150m. He simply gets in range, waits for Obito to become tangible again, and then blitzes him.

I never compared Gai to instant. You think Minato and Naruto hit him instantaneously, which is stupid since they don't strike instantaneously themselves.

Madara tried to grab his eye. Big whoop. His striking speed has never been anything special anyway. Its his Shunshin.

No im just tired of proving why he's not getting blitzed so i changed the range so we can get into a battle of powers instead of the entire argument being a battle of speed. Once Obito goes intangible it's game over. He makes his Juubi buffed Susanoo covered in his Omyoudon since he can increase the size to what he deems fit. Once that happens it's game over for Sasuke. Or he could just let the Juubi out and nuke Sasuke susanoo which has shown that it's defense is no where near it's offence seeing as Naruto chakra arm matched something that blew Sasuke Susanoo to pieces. How many scans and times do i have to tell you that they appeared on him? You denied not 1 not 2 not 3 but 4scans. L00l so now Juubi Jin Madara isn't a speedster? stop your making yourself look like a fool here.

 

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lmao.
He was able to make a full turn and make a full sentence. Yet you think he couldnt react?,does kamui take longer than turning around?,infact does kamui take longer than making a full sentence?,does madara's arm movement take as long as a sentence?lmao. He had absolutely no problem with sasuke.

He couldnt physically execute kamui before getting seveered in half, thats all that matters and himself admitted that sasuke was too fast for him,
yes he tracked his speed through his rinnegan but apart from that he didnt have enough reflexes to evade sasukes attack or execute any other jutsu to prevent himself from,
and that was only his foot speed, since

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when

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, heck he even realised after getting hit,

When madara reacts to having his body marked,then you can speak.juubito reacted to something faster.
If sasuke manages to hurt juubito he heals the next instant and rips him apart
juubito can just call the juubi and thats the end of sasuke

Madara didnt react to his S/T thats why i am saying, as you can see from the above scan
and sasukes S/T jutsu is instant, so i dont see why you are stating that juubito reacted to something faster when his reaction feats and reflexes are clearly slower than madaras
sasukes attacks are faster than juubitos and there is no way that he'l just stand there and let juubito heal himself thats just ridiculous

 

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No im just tired of proving why he's not getting blitzed so i changed the range so we can get into a battle of powers instead of the entire argument being a battle of speed. Once Obito goes intangible it's game over. He makes his Juubi buffed Susanoo covered in his Omyoudon since he can increase the size to what he deems fit. Once that happens it's game over for Sasuke. Or he could just let the Juubi out and nuke Sasuke susanoo which has shown that it's defense is no where near it's offence seeing as Naruto chakra arm matched something that blew Sasuke Susanoo to pieces. How many scans and times do i have to tell you that they appeared on him? You denied not 1 not 2 not 3 but 4scans. L00l so now Juubi Jin Madara isn't a speedster? stop your making yourself look like a fool here.

Changing the range without informing others about it Eh? Lol that's funny as hell. Pretty sure you could have at least said you're changing it rather than just assuming it was like that from the very start Lol.

 

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Sasuke solos ;P

 

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Changing the range without informing others about it Eh? Lol that's funny as hell. Pretty sure you could have at least said you're changing it rather than just assuming it was like that from the very start Lol.

When did i say or inform it was like that from the very start? I clearly mentioned it right after i changed it.

 

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Now lets continue where we left off shall we?

 

[Demonic.]

Quit trolling Young Debater. Naruto and Sasuke stomp the living shit out of Obito so hard Rin will feel it up the ass.

 

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Quit trolling Young Debater. Naruto and Sasuke stomp the living shit out of Obito so hard Rin will feel it up the ass.

Yea any version of regular Obito but not Prime Obito.

 

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Lol No, - before giving me a lecture, try reading what i actually stated
Madara had

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, there was zero movement, and zero reaction till he was actuallly stabbed with the swords,
and inb4 ''madara had no intel''' no, reaction and reflexes really have nothing to do with intel as madara failed to sense the attack, and failed to even track it, which is why its fair to say that madara got blitzed,

as for sasukes foot speed attack, madara

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, yeah he can see sasukes movement in the scan where he used his foot speed, but he still didnt have the reflexes to use kamui in time,
Obitos reflexes are slower than juubi jin-shinju madara, thats all there is to it, meaning that the same is happening to obito, not to mention that madara had ZERO reaction when sasuke impaled him with the sword through his S/T jutsu,

Obito reacting to Sasukes attack just because he has the tendency to react to FTG doesnt mean shit,

I have to give lectures, because you lack the substances to use them correctly in the topic. Regarding the 1st scan, open your eyes big and wide:

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In the bottom right panel, Madara's right arm is positing front. Now, where he is stabbed, look at the same arm:

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He pulled it back. What does this mean? Madara tried to stop himself at the moment Sasuke teleported himself with the sword, but couldn't because he was travelling at high speed. Of course, the faster you travel, the more force you need to put in in order to stop. Conclusion being, Madara reacted. You say Intel is invalid? So the first time Kaguya teleported behind Naruto and Sasuke, why did it work? Why didn't work when Naruto had intel on her Jutsu? What's the difference between the two events? Are you going to start talking out of your ass and ignore the actual facts? Then I suggest you open your small brain and cut the wank. Madara failed at first due to the reason I suggest, and also lack of Intel.

When you want to debate and discuss against the opponent, you read exactly everything their premise has said, you no good debater. I literally posted the definition of reaction time from the dictionary, and you ignored it all. Madara seeing through Sasuke's intent to attack him exactly means he reacted. That is what the definition says. Madara...

-Turned his whole body to Sasuke's side, when he was facing Kakashi.
-He completed his sentence.
-He put his arm up.

Those are all indication of reaction time. Learn how to read, because I and the manga repeats all what's said. Madara didn't admit Sasuke is too fast for him. He never said that, and Sasuke was teleporting. Not moving on foot, retard.

Juubito doesn't have slower reaction time or movements, or reflexes than Jinchuuriki Madara. Both possess the Senjutsu of Rikudou and both possess the properties of Juubi's Chakra; thus would gain identical physical enhancements. Obito reaction to FTG exactly means he reacts to Sasuke's teleporting, and not your retarded analogy.

If you attempt to reply, you read exactly and everything I proposed, you comprehend the scans properly. Alight?

 

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I have to give lectures, because you lack the substances to use them correctly in the topic. Regarding the 1st scan, open your eyes big and wide:

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In the bottom right panel, Madara's right arm is positing front. Now, where he is stabbed, look at the same arm:

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He pulled it back. What does this mean? Madara tried to stop himself at the moment Sasuke teleported himself with the sword, but couldn't because he was travelling at high speed. Of course, the faster you travel, the more force you need to put in in order to stop. Conclusion being, Madara reacted.

Youre wrong, Madara clearly didnt stop on his own, it was the attack that stopped him
furthermore his right arm was exactly at the same spot, i dont see how ur trying to say that he pulled it back,
not to mention that madara was already hit, well before he could do anything, and the positioning of his arm as well as his body was only affected after he was hit by the attack, as madara himself was unable to do anything
Conclusion is: Madara got blitzed

You say Intel is invalid? So the first time Kaguya teleported behind Naruto and Sasuke, why did it work? Why didn't work when Naruto had intel on her Jutsu? What's the difference between the two events? Are you going to start talking out of your ass and ignore the actual facts? Then I suggest you open your small brain and cut the wank. Madara failed at first due to the reason I suggest, and also lack of Intel.

I stated that intel is an invalid comparison to reflexes, nothing more nothing less,
ones reflexes do NOT change regardless of how much intel they have,
intel is simply knowledge whereas reflexes are the physical ability of the person to react,
PHYSICAL =/= MENTAL
and as for the bold - you are the one clearly talking out of ur ass, and if someone disagrees with you, then it doesnt mean he's wanking, you resorting to insulting me is a clear indication that you have run out of options

When you want to debate and discuss against the opponent, you read exactly everything their premise has said, you no good debater. I literally posted the definition of reaction time from the dictionary, and you ignored it all. Madara seeing through Sasuke's intent to attack him exactly means he reacted. That is what the definition says. Madara...
-Turned his whole body to Sasuke's side, when he was facing Kakashi.
-He completed his sentence.
-He put his arm up.
Those are all indication of reaction time. Learn how to read, because I and the manga repeats all what's said.

I think ur the one who is not reading my premise but just insulting me because of being butthurt
I am well aware of what reacting means but i only stated that madara got blitzed

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the example that u are stating is the one where sasuke used his foot speed, wheere i stated that madara was unable to protect himself from getting severed in half meaning that he couldnt block or couldnt evade or couldnt execute his jutsu before sasuke sliced him in half,,
moreover,

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, so youre wrong about madara putting his arm up

thus leading to the conclusion that madara couldnt execute his jutsu before getting sliced,
and if you bring up the statement as if madara ''chose to get bisected'', and that he ''didnt care'' from before
then thats nothing but ridiculous,

Madara didn't admit Sasuke is too fast for him. He never said that, and Sasuke was teleporting. Not moving on foot, retard.

@Bold - wrong again and before calling me a retard, read the manga properly,
Madara

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and the explanation mark on sasuke further confirms the notion that sasuke was unable to use his S/T jutsu due to madara being outside its range,,

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since his S/T jutsu is instant teleportation like FTG, and wont be having the dashing effect

Juubito doesn't have slower reaction time or movements, or reflexes than Jinchuuriki Madara. Both possess the Senjutsu of Rikudou and both possess the properties of Juubi's Chakra; thus would gain identical physical enhancements. Obito reaction to FTG exactly means he reacts to Sasuke's teleporting, and not your retarded analogy.

Wrong, Juubito does NOT possess the senjutsu of rikudo, nor has he shown any use of senjutsu
nor does he have any form of Indras Chakra which is required to acquire hagoromos chakra,
all juubito has is hashiramas (ashuras) chakra, and his Uchiha DNA, and him lacking the Indra is also another reason why he was unable to awaken the rinnnegan unlike madara,

@Bold - thats wrong yet again, since madara was clearly struggling against sasukes S/T jutsu and his foot speed,
sasukes striking speed also shits on MInatos and Tobiramas so that logic of urs is not viable, since sasukes attack themselves would be executed at a much faster speed than FTG users

If you attempt to reply, you read exactly and everything I proposed, you comprehend the scans properly. Alight?

I have looked each and every scan and points that you try to make, and have also provided you more than enough explanations and scans, just because i disagree with you doesnt make me butthurt nor does it make me a fapboy
and you calling me a ''no-good debater'' and resorting to insults is very childish, and just makes you look stupid