Prime Obito vs Naruto or Sasuke

[Rιver]

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as intangibility, Obito simply warps parts of his body to Kamui dimension in the moment his opponent's attack is landing, and then he warps those parts back to his body, making it seem as the attack phased right through him.

How exactly is "intangibility" automatic when Obito already got blitzed by Minato (twice) ? Or when he has to touch his opponents to warp them ? if it's automatic, then how does he touch them ?

That's because Obito tried to warp him [

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And I'm pretty sure it was only once.​

If it was automatic, Minato would have phased through Obito despite not being able to react.

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How do you know he had his Mangekyō on after a major blow that destroyed ground? Itachi also deactivated his due to exhaustion [

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[TRE MERCER]

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as intangibility, Obito simply warps parts of his body to Kamui dimension in the moment his opponent's attack is landing, and then he warps those parts back to his body, making it seem as the attack phased right through him.

How exactly is "intangibility" automatic when Obito already got blitzed by Minato (twice) ? Or when he has to touch his opponents to warp them ? if it's automatic, then how does he touch them ?

If it was automatic, Minato would have phased through Obito despite not being able to react.

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He clearly turned it off and forgot to put it on.









Just kidding well i guess it's manga scan vs Manga scan.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Why wouldn't it be? Obito tried to grab Rin, while his fingers went through her [

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The fact that he touched her in the second attempt proves that it isn't automatic, he was just too inexperienced with his Kamui, that's why he went through her, like me and KG pointed out, he would have phased through Minato every time Minato blitzed him.

That's because Obito tried to warp him [

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And I'm pretty sure it was only once.​

It doesn't matter, Minato's attack would have gone through him if it was automatic, as automatic is something that activates on its own, like I said, there's no such thing as tangible or physical, he only warps parts of his body in the moment his opponent's attacks are landing, and then warp the parts back to his body, making it seem as the attack went through him, there's no such thing as intangibility on/off as you're suggesting.

It was twice, once when Obito tried to warp him and this :

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Actually, it was three times :

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[Nattana]

Obito can't react to Sasuke to become intangible.

Where did you get that from? As far as I'm concerned, this Obito by default should have better reaction time than Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

The fact that he touched her in the second attempt proves that it isn't automatic, he was just too inexperienced with his Kamui, that's why he went through her, like me and KG pointed out, he would have phased through Minato every time Minato blitzed him.

Exactly. Especially when he blitzed him after he marked him. Obito wasn't trying to warp anyone there, so that argument doesn't work.

Where did you get that from? As far as I'm concerned, this Obito by default should have better reaction time than Sasuke.

Shinju Madara didn't react when Sasuke teleported him in between him and Naruto. Shinju Madara didn't react when Sasuke swapped with his sword. Juubito isn't doing any better.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Exactly. Especially when he blitzed him after he marked him. Obito wasn't trying to warp anyone there, so that argument doesn't work.



Shinju Madara didn't react when Sasuke teleported him in between him and Naruto. Shinju Madara didn't react when Sasuke swapped with his sword. Juubito isn't doing any better.

That's only because he didn't know what Sasuke was doing/that he could teleport try again. Also this Obito Juubi powers are above that of Shinju Madara's since he has full Kurama plus Obito already reacted to being spawned seal which is faster than Sasuke since it's instant.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's only because he didn't know what Sasuke was doing/that he could teleport try again. Also this Obito Juubi powers are above that of Shinju Madara's since he has full Kurama plus Obito already reacted to being spawned seal which is faster than Sasuke since it's instant.

Doesn't matter. He didn't react, because he couldn't. Knowing about it won't help. Not to mention he knew Sasuke could teleport the second time around, but still didn't react. Why would Obito be any different? Why would he know what Sasuke is doing? He gets blitzed.

He has a fragment of the Eight Tails, Full Kurama (in this scenario) and he lacks the Shinju. Madara has full Gyuki, Half Kurama, and the Shinju. He's far above Obito when it comes to Juubi power.

Still repeating defeated arguments huh? I've already replied to this in this thread. Since you repeated it, concession accepted.

 

[Nattana]

Shinju Madara didn't react when Sasuke teleported him in between him and Naruto. Shinju Madara didn't react when Sasuke swapped with his sword. Juubito isn't doing any better.

You cannot react to teleportation. You can react to what happens after teleportation. Teleporting Juubito into the sword would do absolutely nothing to him and this is the only way Sasuke can attack Juubito without giving him literally ANY time to react.

 

[Rιver]

The fact that he touched her in the second attempt proves that it isn't automatic, he was just too inexperienced with his Kamui, that's why he went through her, like me and KG pointed out, he would have phased through Minato every time Minato blitzed him.



It doesn't matter, Minato's attack would have gone through him if it was automatic, as automatic is something that activates on its own, like I said, there's no such thing as tangible or physical, he only warps parts of his body in the moment his opponent's attacks are landing, and then warp the parts back to his body, making it seem as the attack went through him, there's no such thing as intangibility on/off as you're suggesting.

It was twice, once when Obito tried to warp him and this :

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Actually, it was three times :

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He doesn't keep Mangekyō activated all times even in fights [

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Obito didn't have Mangekyō activated, in fact, we see no Sharingan at all [

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[KidGamer65]

You cannot react to teleportation. You can react to what happens after teleportation. Teleporting Juubito into the sword would do absolutely nothing to him and this is the only way Sasuke can attack Juubito without giving him literally ANY time to react.

Obviously. Being able to react to what happens after teleportation doesn't mean that everyone can react, what kind of evidence is that? I guess Konohamaru can react to Minato's Hiraishin blitz just because what happens after that isn't instantaneous...

Rikudo Madara got blitzed, Juubito isn't any different.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Doesn't matter. He didn't react, because he couldn't. Knowing about it won't help. Not to mention he knew Sasuke could teleport the second time around, but still didn't react. Why would Obito be any different? Why would he know what Sasuke is doing? He gets blitzed.

He has a fragment of the Eight Tails, Full Kurama (in this scenario) and he lacks the Shinju. Madara has full Gyuki, Half Kurama, and the Shinju. He's far above Obito when it comes to Juubi power.

Still repeating defeated arguments huh? I've already replied to this in this thread. Since you repeated it, concession accepted.

What makes you so sure?.(

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). Madara is clearly shocked here meaning he didn't know what happened. The Shinju never increased Madara's power it only made him immortal. You never countered any of the arguments. So my point still remains valid Obito already reacted to something instant via spawn seal. Sasuke gets the same treatment plus he cannot even kill Obito. Let's say he did blitz Obito and kill him Izanagi would give Obito 10mins of immortality to end Sasuke life. I guess you forgot about that extra sharigan eye just for Izanagi?

 

[Nattana]

Obviously. Being able to react to what happens after teleportation doesn't mean that everyone can react, what kind of evidence is that? I guess Konohamaru can react to Minato's Hiraishin blitz just because what happens after that isn't instantaneous...

Rikudo Madara got blitzed, Juubito isn't any different.

When Sasuke teleports himself near Obito - he cannot react to that. But after he had already teleported there has to be an attack. This is what Obito can react to.

Your example was about Sasuke swapping places with his own sword. Again - it was teleportation - something Obito can't react to, but the wound it causes is laughable when it comes to Juubi Jins.

 

[KidGamer65]

When Sasuke teleports himself near Obito - he cannot react to that. But after he had already teleported there has to be an attack. This is what Obito can react to.

It doesn't mean that he is capable of doing so.

Your example was about Sasuke swapping places with his own sword. Again - it was teleportation - something Obito can't react to, but the wound it causes is laughable when it comes to Juubi Jins.

Wrong. Sasuke swapped with his sword and Madara ran into it. That leaves him time to react, but not much. He didn't teleport his sword into Madara's chest, so nothing that happened wasn't too fast that it couldn't be reacted to, Madara simply didn't react.

Sasuke teleported Madara right in front of him, and struck him in the side with Chidori. That is the main thing I'm talking about.

 

[SuperChief]

Prime Obito can't have Sharingan and Rinnegan at the same time. It's one or the other since those were literally two different eyes.

If Prime Obito has Susanoo, he has his original Sharingan, so no Rinnegan. If he has the Rinnegan, he doesn't have Susanoo.

 

[RustledJimmies]

He doesn't keep Mangekyō activated all times even in fights [

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Obito didn't have Mangekyō activated, in fact, we see no Sharingan at all [

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It doesn't matter if he doesn't keep Mangekyo activated all times in fights, what matters is that he obviously had the Mangekyo active when he tried to warp Minato (after all, he needs his MS active in order to warp him), and then he got blitzed, if "intangibility" was automatic like you claimed, it would have automatically allowed him to phase through Minato's attack. Why would he deactivate MS after getting hit ? Lmao, that is the dumbest thing he could have done, he had no reason to deactivate it nor there is any evidence of that. What does it matter that he was a "child" ?

Maybe because we can't see his eyes due to "BZ" covering half of his face ?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Prime Obito can't have Sharingan and Rinnegan at the same time. It's one or the other since those were literally two different eyes.

If Prime Obito has Susanoo, he has his original Sharingan, so no Rinnegan. If he has the Rinnegan, he doesn't have Susanoo.

Rinnegan can be implanted in his arm. Gtfoh kid your not ready to debate with the big boys.

 

[KidGamer65]

What makes you so sure?.(

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). Madara is clearly shocked here meaning he didn't know what happened. The Shinju never increased Madara's power it only made him immortal. You never countered any of the arguments. So my point still remains valid Obito already reacted to something instant via spawn seal. Sasuke gets the same treatment plus he cannot even kill Obito. Let's say he did blitz Obito and kill him Izanagi would give Obito 10mins of immortality to end Sasuke life. I guess you forgot about that extra sharigan eye just for Izanagi?

I'm talking about the second time, not the first time. As in where he moved Madara.

Wrong. More power=More strength. The Shinju is more power. So he got stronger.

@bold: I already replied to this nonsense. They still needed to strike, and they don't strike instantaneously. Not to mention he knew they were coming before they came, giving him more time to react to something that IS NOT INSTANT AS THEY STILL HAD TO STRIKE HIM. You can't react to instant, its literally impossible, so stop trying to say Obito reacted to something that was instantaneous in a pathetic attempt to fuel your wank.

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He also guarded his back.

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Can't kill Obito? False. After 10 minutes Obito gets killed.. All Izanagi does is prolong his life considering he still can't react to Sasuke's Rinnegan nor can he kill him without Juubidama, something Sasuke can counter with ease.

 

[SuperChief]

Rinnegan can be implanted in his arm. Gtfoh kid your not ready to debate with the big boys.

And where the f-ck would he get Rinnegan to implant in his arm? You f-cking halfwit, you're entering fanfiction territory if he has both. It's one or the other.

 

[Nattana]

It doesn't mean that he is capable of doing so.

He should be, especially that Juubito has an advantage of not having human body.

Wrong. Sasuke swapped with his sword and Madara ran into it. That leaves him time to react, but not much. He didn't teleport his sword into Madara's chest, so nothing that happened wasn't too fast that it couldn't be reacted to, Madara simply didn't react.

Sasuke teleported Madara right in front of him, and struck him in the side with Chidori. That is the main thing I'm talking about.

Firstly, Madara had no intel on Sasuke's Rinnegan. It's obviously harder to react to something you know nothing about. Secondly, as you mentioned yourself, he was rushing at Sasuke with his already godlike speed, so combined with point no.1 a.k.a. surprise - he just got impaled.

With full intel - nothing like that would've ever happened. And since I'm guessing Obito has full intel on Sasuke AND since he's not already rushing at him - it'd be much easier to react to something that ISN'T instant - which is an actual attack.

 

[KidGamer65]

He should be, especially that Juubito has an advantage of not having human body.

How does that mean anything?

Firstly, Madara had no intel on Sasuke's Rinnegan. It's obviously harder to react to something you know nothing about. Secondly, as you mentioned yourself, he was rushing at Sasuke with his already godlike speed, so combined with point no.1 a.k.a. surprise - he just got impaled.

With full intel - nothing like that would've ever happened. And since I'm guessing Obito has full intel on Sasuke AND since he's not already rushing at him - it'd be much easier to react to something that ISN'T instant - which is an actual attack.

*Sigh*.........I am talking about this.

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Sasuke warped Madara in between him and Naruto. No reaction from Madara whatsoever. He knew about the technique at this point so intel isn't an excuse. The rest refers to the stuff I'm not that focused on.

Obito gets blitzed, just how Madara did.