prime naruto/sasuke vs momoshiki, DRSM madara , juubito and toneri

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Wtf are you people on about? Naruto and Sasuke get eaten alive in both scenarios.

-Momoshiki's presence means that all their Ninjutsu is useless. So attempting it is pointless.
-Obito sets up the Quad Juubidama.
-Then it blows them to shit while the Gudo Dama protect his teammates.

Naruto and Sasuke won't be cutting the tree down when Momoshiki will just absorb all of their incoming attacks. If you want to argue that he can't absorb their Avatars, that's alright too. He was already wrecking the heads of Naruto and Sasuke's PS with the fodder elemental jutsu that Boruto absorbed from him. You can upscale to their full combined Avatar, but then I'd just say instead of absorbing some fodder elemental jutsu, he absorbs Madara and Obito's giant ass Katon (buffed by Hagoromo's chakra, Hashirama's Senjutsu, and Rikudo's Senjutsu) and then uses it (further bufffed) against their Avatars. They'd be demolished in a matter of minutes.

Or if Obito doesn't want to take the chance, Momoshiki simply absorbs one of the Bijuu Dama and then fires it back at the duo and blows them to high hell. If they neglect to use their Avatars in feat that Momoshiki will absorb them, and focus on Taijutsu like they did in the first half of their match, they get murked by the combined might of Momoshiki, Kakashi (in S2), Obito, Madara and Toneri, who can all use their own Ninjutsu.

And there's more, but it should be obvious that they get boned.

Good argument.
Can't believe I didn't think about the combinations of juubito and momo especially when all ninjutsu attempts are just stopped

And PS/Kyuubi avatar definitely get absorbed
 

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How did I miss this horseshit?
Naruto and Sasuke send their bushin to jump on Momoshiki and do not even bring up he can absorb kage bushin when Naruto canonically used them on him in battle and they did not get absorbed. They also were wearing Rsm cloaks which also did not get absorbed.

Watch the movie kiddo. Naruto was about to use Shadow Clones but then Sasuke stopped him because Momoshiki can absorb all jutsu, so what in the hell are you even talking about here? The only time Naruto actually used clones was when he was stopping the Bijuu Dama (that still knocked him out) so go ahead and show me where Momoshiki tried and failed to absorb them. I'll wait if you bother to respond, which we all know you won't.

Obito setting up the juubidama's are laughable multiply Kurama avatars. PS ameno blitz. just much to for him to over come, also why can't they just dodge the damas if they cannot stop them?

All stopped by Momoshiki. Already reacted to Ameno, PS can't hurt him if he tries to absorb it, same goes for the Kurama Avatar. Not to mention fodder elemental jutsu boosted by first form Momoshiki can hurt PS Kurama, either of them on their own get raped by Madara and Obito's Katon boosted by Momoshiki's power. Period.

Because Momoshiki is omni directional? They jump on him like in canon Naruto and Sasuke send their clones to gang rape the team rsm naruto's can also aid Sasuke clones with cloaks the latter is blitz with no reaction.

Lmfao, you really are a special one aren't you? Jump on who in canon? With what? Clones? Lol. Because Momoshiki is definitely alone too. Because Naruto was able to use clones in canon. Because Sasuke didn't stop him knowing Momoshiki can absorb them. Because Naruto can blitz even though he failed to blitz in canon.

In your idiotic scenario, Momoshiki fights Naruto and Sasuke in Taijutsu while the rest of the team fights their clones, when in reality Momoshiki has no reason to fight them in Taijutsu when he can just use his souped up teammate's Ninjutsu to wipe them off the face of the planet along with their useless clone spam.

He cracked up the heads of their avatars which we're miniature in comparison to what the full avatar head would look like. Katon is not doing anything to their avatar's which can withstand the heat that a bijuu dama produces which was buffed by 50% of Hagoromos chakra. Bijuu dama >>>>>>>>> Katon 50% of Hagoromos chakra >>>>>>> The % Madara or Obito has Sasuke can also absorb ninjutsu might i add.

PS's full body>>>>PS's head.
Madara's Katon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boruto's fodder Katon.


Your shitty logic is irrelevant. If a fodder Katon can break the head of PS and Kurama, then a Juubi Sized Katon boosted by Momoshiki is going to do heavy damage to Susanoo and Kurama. Not to mention Fused Momoshiki>>First form Momoshiki.

This thread is title'd prime meaning Sasuke has the bijuu chakra and Naruto is more than capable of putting out his ashura avatar combined those two and Momoshiki has 0 chance of destroying it. This thread makes me smile its funny how him absorbing Katons from Madara would allow him to destroy their avatars yet in the other thread you claim he would meet his end to Madara's Chibaku tensei which has far less durable than either avatar you even replied to me on that one.

Prime Sasuke is Adult Sasuke. Adult Sasuke has no Bijuu Chakra. Naruto can pull out his Ashura Avatar, but it won't matter since Momoshiki canonically can absorb their Ninjutsu with his Rinnegan. Hence why there was a drawn out Taijutsu fight against him. If Naruto could've nuked him like you claim then he would've done it.

And since you are too slow to get the difference between this thread and the other thread, I'll explain it to you.

-In this thread Momoshiki has jutsu to absorb.
-In the other thread, he doesn't.


Momoshiki fire power gets out bested by Naruto's no matter who's power he's absorbing it from especially with his limited resources in this battle field, Obito is not going to feed anyone anything a single rsm clone using YFRS kills him in the first couple minutes of this fight.


-A clone uses YRS.
-Then Obito tanks it.
-Or Kakashi warps it. Or he one shots it with PS.
-Or Madara one shots with PS.

Lol. Try again.

They would annihilate the team in Taijutsu. Madara Obito and Toneri cannot even react to Prime Naruto and Sasuke at full speed especially when their teenage self's managed to murk Madara RSM naruto already stalemated Madara's limbos in CQC Give Naruto 15 years and the other half of Kurama then take away Madara's Juubi and 3rd eye how is he not blitz? Who can react to ameno besides Momoshiki on team 2? Rinnegan genjutsu would cause trouble for Toneri and Kakashi.

Bold is irrelevant. Madara and Kakashi have Susanoo (and Kakashi has Kamui, which is automatic), so they don't need to react to Naruto's blitz. Obito has Momoshiki's support, who can easily react to Naruto or Sasuke. And I love how you people try so hard to wank by yelling "15 years lolololol" even though Naruto spent the majority of those years behind a desk and not training. Lol The same reason why he was rusty af in Gaiden. Getting the other half of Kurama grants more chakra, not more speed.
And no, their teen selves didn't murk Madara with speed so mentioning that fight is irrelevant.

-Genjutsu is a nonfactor. Partner method deals with it.
-If they try and nonsense Shunshin blitz, then Momoshiki intercepts them. Whether with a creation from the ground like he used in the movie or with his own physical speed.
-Shunshin is irrelevant in a Taijutsu fight anyway, which is why Sasuke matches Base Naruto despite having a far better Shunshin than him.

Reacting to Ameno is irrelevant. He can't bypass any of their Susanoo with any Ameno teleportation attacks, if he uses Susanoo it'd get absorbed, and their deaths become irrelevant once Momoshiki has absorbed their jutsu. Once he's absorbed their jutsu (Katon, Mokuton, Bijuu Dama) he'll just power it up and obliterate Naruto and Sasuke on his own.
 

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Not when someone can break him out of Genjutsu.

You cannot break rinnegan genjutsu by the partner methods are normal standards if that was the case then the bijuu would have broken free from Sasuke's genjutsu the moment he could not hold his rinnegan no longer if this was your run of the mill genjutsu it would have broken but it did not.



Funny how the exact opposite happened in canon. :lmao:

I Hate when people try to use this its fanfic he simply did not use the tech Mountain level chibaku tensei's wreck Momoshiki especially when he is the core simple as that he gets sealed away. Or Chou shira tensei turns him to gunk.

Lol yeah, in whatever fanfic you're reading.

Not fanfic im just exploiting all of his abilities instead of the ones the plot restricts him to.
 

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How did I miss this horseshit?
Watch the movie kiddo. Naruto was about to use Shadow Clones but then Sasuke stopped him because Momoshiki can absorb all jutsu, so what in the hell are you even talking about here? The only time Naruto actually used clones was when he was stopping the Bijuu Dama (that still knocked him out) so go ahead and show me where Momoshiki tried and failed to absorb them. I'll wait if you bother to respond, which we all know you won't.

Have you watched the movie Naruto literally engaged him with his Cloak and it was not absorbed i have went back through and i seen a clone was not present but it does not matter as momoshiki could not absorb his cloak which was made out of pure chakra.

All stopped by Momoshiki. Already reacted to Ameno, PS can't hurt him if he tries to absorb it, same goes for the Kurama Avatar. Not to mention fodder elemental jutsu boosted by first form Momoshiki can hurt PS Kurama, either of them on their own get raped by Madara and Obito's Katon boosted by Momoshiki's power. Period.

Momoshiki has shown he cannot do more than fight Naruto and Sasuke head on at a time so you keep saying he'll be saving his teammates is nothing but a joke especially when Naruto can make this many clones Momoshiki is not saving a soul. Kurama is full now so he is not just a bijuu cloak he could even aid them in the cqc battle especially since his stats are boosted by the 50% of Hagoromo's chakra aswell.

When their fighting Momoshiki, Kurama clones could destroy the latter on their own since they have shown the capabilities to fight without Naruto now and with multiply Kurama avatars like at vote they gets raped 1 Kurama for each.

Jump on who in canon? With what? Clones? Lol. Because Momoshiki is definitely alone too. Because Naruto was able to use clones in canon. Because Sasuke didn't stop him knowing Momoshiki can absorb them. Because Naruto can blitz even though he failed to blitz in canon.

Jump on Momo once they decide to engage him in cqc all his focus has to be on them of he dies simply as that and with the evidence i supplied Kurama will be engaging him this time making it even more unbalanced. Momoshiki is alone considering all his teammates can get raped in seconds if they even try to do a single thing. All arguments that i used with clones and blitzing was referring to the team learn to read.

In your idiotic scenario, Momoshiki fights Naruto and Sasuke in Taijutsu while the rest of the team fights their clones, when in reality Momoshiki has no reason to fight them in Taijutsu when he can just use his souped up teammate's Ninjutsu to wipe them off the face of the planet along with their useless clone spam.

They never give him a chance to absorb their ninjutsu especially when they start off attacking with a shunshin like canon while their clones handle the team. Sasuke also has preta path so anything Momoshiki spits at them its adsorbed back.

PS's full body>>>>PS's head.
Madara's Katon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boruto's fodder Katon.

PS full body is much more power than one limb and it was not even the full size of his perfect susanoo's head.

Only if your shit logic actually panned out Momoshiki avatar which was that lava rock monster would have wrecked them but it was literally 1 shotted by the duo. Momoshiki's pheonix was ripped apart by Kurama while this was him in his fused form with much greater power of his elements and his lava release is more powerful than his fire.


Your shitty logic is irrelevant. If a fodder Katon can break the head of PS and Kurama, then a Juubi Sized Katon boosted by Momoshiki is going to do heavy damage to Susanoo and Kurama. Not to mention Fused Momoshiki>>First form Momoshiki.

Prime Sasuke is Adult Sasuke. Adult Sasuke has no Bijuu Chakra. Naruto can pull out his Ashura Avatar, but it won't matter since Momoshiki canonically can absorb their Ninjutsu with his Rinnegan. Hence why there was a drawn out Taijutsu fight against him. If Naruto could've nuked him like you claim then he would've done it.

Momoshiki failed to absorb his kurama chakra off him and if you can read my arguments correctly you would not be thinking i said anything about the ashura avatar fighting him head on i was talking about besting him fire power vs fire power like BDFRS vs his enhanced Katon and i was using it as a durability reference since as a teen he was able to survive him and Sasuke's final attack due to the defense of his attack and Momoshiki is not coming close to replication power of I.A and BDFRS combined.

And since you are too slow to get the difference between this thread and the other thread, I'll explain it to you.
-In this thread Momoshiki has jutsu to absorb.
-In the other thread, he doesn't.

Nice try but no, He had toneri on his team and if im correct Toneri is on his team here and has the most powerful attack on the team so they're is no difference and if you try to say Obito's Quad damas are stronger ill just tell you he needs nothing of that power magnitude to destroy some chibaku tensei's from Madara which you insist even after absorbing golden wheel would fail child bye.

-A clone uses YRS.
-Then Obito tanks it.
-Or Kakashi warps it. Or he one shots it with PS.
-Or Madara one shots with PS.

Juubito can tank something that split the god tree when his best defense was shattered by a Perfect susanoo blade? or Enhanced rasengans from K11 nice laugh but you must be joking. Madara who was much faster and stronger than juubito could not run block or defend he gets the same treatment and he splits juubito down the middle killing him.

Kakashi is not warping anything he's not even tracking Adult Naruto and fighting stride he would also have his own clones and Kurama avatar to deal with or better yet one of Sasuke's bushin uses ameno to blitz Juubito with chidori one hit to the head would destroy his whole face we've seen what his chidori did to the asteroid on the last. Please do not make me go into example why Obito would not be close to reacting he'll i do it for the fun of it.

1 eye SM Madara's reaction >>>>>> Rinnegan Obito
Juubi with Gyuki and BM Kurama absorbed >>>>>>>> Obito's Juubi
Teen Sasuke Blitz Madara
Adult Sasuke striking speed >> His teenage self

Basically juubito is no match.




Bold is irrelevant. Madara and Kakashi have Susanoo (and Kakashi has Kamui, which is automatic), so they don't need to react to Naruto's blitz. Obito has Momoshiki's support, who can easily react to Naruto or Sasuke. And I love how you people try so hard to wank by yelling "15 years lolololol" even though Naruto spent the majority of those years behind a desk and not training. Lol The same reason why he was rusty af in Gaiden. Getting the other half of Kurama grants more chakra, not more speed.
And no, their teen selves didn't murk Madara with speed so mentioning that fight is irrelevant.

Lol at being blitz is irrelevant because they have susanoo especially Madara Lol. Base injured and out chakra Naruto Chou Rasengan turned that god tree into splinters, and this tree was mountain sized this was all before it exploded it sent Momoshiki into orbit Chou FRS or any Bijuu dama varient completely decimates anyone on their team with no effort period.

Kurama clones nukes any avatar they have off the map aswell. Clones using this or wrecks team 2 life away.

Kamui is automatic since when? Momoshiki is busy fighting the real Sasuke Naruto and Kurama, Obito tries to help he gets killed fast. 15 years delayed his growth it did not make it worse and even with those years spent not training he still held his own against Momoshiki and rivaled Sasuke in every area combat that's enough for him to shit on everyone here except of Momo. The bold literally makes no sense considering every time Naruto had gained more of Kurama's chakra he become stronger and faster. 1 tails to 2 tails to 3 tails to 4 tails etc. KM to BM your dumb af.

Genjutsu is a nonfactor. Partner method deals with it.

Whos going to be helping Toneri when he's engaged in combat with a Bushin from Sasuke? especially when everyone is fighting their own opponent?

If they try and nonsense Shunshin blitz, then Momoshiki intercepts them. Whether with a creation from the ground like he used in the movie or with his own physical speed.

Because Momoshiki is fast enough to intercept their shunshin? and Multiply clones can use shunshin as well intercepting is not happening both Naruto and Sasuke can fly so the ground methods are useless. Sasuke and Boruto fooled Momoshiki with a clone transformation and stabbing his eye out Naruto and Sasuke does this for sure they've been doing for far longer and since the zabuza arc Momoshiki gets that eye jabbed out.
-Shunshin is irrelevant in a Taijutsu fight anyway, which is why Sasuke matches Base Naruto despite having a far better Shunshin than him.

Reacting to Ameno is irrelevant. He can't bypass any of their Susanoo with any Ameno teleportation attacks, if he uses Susanoo it'd get absorbed, and their deaths become irrelevant once Momoshiki has absorbed their jutsu. Once he's absorbed their jutsu (Katon, Mokuton, Bijuu Dama) he'll just power it up and obliterate Naruto and Sasuke on his own.

A ribcage Susanoo with chidori on it striking the diamond of their perfect susanoo's burst right through it with no problem especially Madara's. Your post is heavily reliant on Momoshiki being everywhere at once which is far from the case his hands are fulled with the real them and Kurama and like i said a shunshin from the start of the match stops him from absorbing anything. Katon gets absorbed right back by Sasuke, Mokuton does zero God tree is one the highest levels of wood and that stomp from the boruto movie and it was reduce to shit by rasengan varients, Bijuu dama power is matched with A.I or BDFRS.

Naruto could give Sasuke a chakra cloak to enhance his chibaku tensei aswell

The Prime team wins this.
 

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You cannot break rinnegan genjutsu by the partner methods are normal standards if that was the case then the bijuu would have broken free from Sasuke's genjutsu the moment he could not hold his rinnegan no longer if this was your run of the mill genjutsu it would have broken but it did not.

Since when did Genjutsu need the full attention of the caster for it to maintain? and even if it did it still wouldn't help your point. So what if he couldn't use his Rinnegan? By your logic the moment Kaguya was sealed the IT victims should have woken up from their dream regardless of the roots. Unless you want to argue that Sasuke Rinnegan Genjutsu > IT.

I Hate when people try to use this its fanfic he simply did not use the tech Mountain level chibaku tensei's wreck Momoshiki especially when he is the core simple as that he gets sealed away. Or Chou shira tensei turns him to gunk.

Yeh cause the movie is the one that's fanfic...

Not fanfic im just exploiting all of his abilities instead of the ones the plot restricts him to.

Yeh pretty one-sided evaluation don't you think? how about you actually do the same for the other team.
 

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Have you watched the movie Naruto literally engaged him with his Cloak and it was not absorbed i have went back through and i seen a clone was not present but it does not matter as momoshiki could not absorb his cloak which was made out of pure chakra.



Momoshiki has shown he cannot do more than fight Naruto and Sasuke head on at a time so you keep saying he'll be saving his teammates is nothing but a joke especially when Naruto can make this many clones Momoshiki is not saving a soul. Kurama is full now so he is not just a bijuu cloak he could even aid them in the cqc battle especially since his stats are boosted by the 50% of Hagoromo's chakra aswell.

When their fighting Momoshiki, Kurama clones could destroy the latter on their own since they have shown the capabilities to fight without Naruto now and with multiply Kurama avatars like at vote they gets raped 1 Kurama for each.



Jump on Momo once they decide to engage him in cqc all his focus has to be on them of he dies simply as that and with the evidence i supplied Kurama will be engaging him this time making it even more unbalanced. Momoshiki is alone considering all his teammates can get raped in seconds if they even try to do a single thing. All arguments that i used with clones and blitzing was referring to the team learn to read.



They never give him a chance to absorb their ninjutsu especially when they start off attacking with a shunshin like canon while their clones handle the team. Sasuke also has preta path so anything Momoshiki spits at them its adsorbed back.



PS full body is much more power than one limb and it was not even the full size of his perfect susanoo's head.

Only if your shit logic actually panned out Momoshiki avatar which was that lava rock monster would have wrecked them but it was literally 1 shotted by the duo. Momoshiki's pheonix was ripped apart by Kurama while this was him in his fused form with much greater power of his elements and his lava release is more powerful than his fire.


Your shitty logic is irrelevant. If a fodder Katon can break the head of PS and Kurama, then a Juubi Sized Katon boosted by Momoshiki is going to do heavy damage to Susanoo and Kurama. Not to mention Fused Momoshiki>>First form Momoshiki.



Momoshiki failed to absorb his kurama chakra off him and if you can read my arguments correctly you would not be thinking i said anything about the ashura avatar fighting him head on i was talking about besting him fire power vs fire power like BDFRS vs his enhanced Katon and i was using it as a durability reference since as a teen he was able to survive him and Sasuke's final attack due to the defense of his attack and Momoshiki is not coming close to replication power of I.A and BDFRS combined.



Nice try but no, He had toneri on his team and if im correct Toneri is on his team here and has the most powerful attack on the team so they're is no difference and if you try to say Obito's Quad damas are stronger ill just tell you he needs nothing of that power magnitude to destroy some chibaku tensei's from Madara which you insist even after absorbing golden wheel would fail child bye.



Juubito can tank something that split the god tree when his best defense was shattered by a Perfect susanoo blade? or Enhanced rasengans from K11 nice laugh but you must be joking. Madara who was much faster and stronger than juubito could not run block or defend he gets the same treatment and he splits juubito down the middle killing him.

Kakashi is not warping anything he's not even tracking Adult Naruto and fighting stride he would also have his own clones and Kurama avatar to deal with or better yet one of Sasuke's bushin uses ameno to blitz Juubito with chidori one hit to the head would destroy his whole face we've seen what his chidori did to the asteroid on the last. Please do not make me go into example why Obito would not be close to reacting he'll i do it for the fun of it.

1 eye SM Madara's reaction >>>>>> Rinnegan Obito
Juubi with Gyuki and BM Kurama absorbed >>>>>>>> Obito's Juubi
Teen Sasuke Blitz Madara
Adult Sasuke striking speed >> His teenage self

Basically juubito is no match.






Lol at being blitz is irrelevant because they have susanoo especially Madara Lol. Base injured and out chakra Naruto Chou Rasengan turned that god tree into splinters, and this tree was mountain sized this was all before it exploded it sent Momoshiki into orbit Chou FRS or any Bijuu dama varient completely decimates anyone on their team with no effort period.

Kurama clones nukes any avatar they have off the map aswell. Clones using this or wrecks team 2 life away.

Kamui is automatic since when? Momoshiki is busy fighting the real Sasuke Naruto and Kurama, Obito tries to help he gets killed fast. 15 years delayed his growth it did not make it worse and even with those years spent not training he still held his own against Momoshiki and rivaled Sasuke in every area combat that's enough for him to shit on everyone here except of Momo. The bold literally makes no sense considering every time Naruto had gained more of Kurama's chakra he become stronger and faster. 1 tails to 2 tails to 3 tails to 4 tails etc. KM to BM your dumb af.



Whos going to be helping Toneri when he's engaged in combat with a Bushin from Sasuke? especially when everyone is fighting their own opponent?



Because Momoshiki is fast enough to intercept their shunshin? and Multiply clones can use shunshin as well intercepting is not happening both Naruto and Sasuke can fly so the ground methods are useless. Sasuke and Boruto fooled Momoshiki with a clone transformation and stabbing his eye out Naruto and Sasuke does this for sure they've been doing for far longer and since the zabuza arc Momoshiki gets that eye jabbed out.
-Shunshin is irrelevant in a Taijutsu fight anyway, which is why Sasuke matches Base Naruto despite having a far better Shunshin than him.



A ribcage Susanoo with chidori on it striking the diamond of their perfect susanoo's burst right through it with no problem especially Madara's. Your post is heavily reliant on Momoshiki being everywhere at once which is far from the case his hands are fulled with the real them and Kurama and like i said a shunshin from the start of the match stops him from absorbing anything. Katon gets absorbed right back by Sasuke, Mokuton does zero God tree is one the highest levels of wood and that stomp from the boruto movie and it was reduce to shit by rasengan varients, Bijuu dama power is matched with A.I or BDFRS.

Naruto could give Sasuke a chakra cloak to enhance his chibaku tensei aswell

The Prime team wins this.

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Since when did Genjutsu need the full attention of the caster for it to maintain? and even if it did it still wouldn't help your point. So what if he couldn't use his Rinnegan? By your logic the moment Kaguya was sealed the IT victims should have woken up from their dream regardless of the roots. Unless you want to argue that Sasuke Rinnegan Genjutsu > IT.

Who ever said anything about needing attention just stfu. Kaguya did not even cast I.T and what the fuc-k are you even talking about.
I said partner method is useless because only a rinnegan can break rinnegan genjutsu and even with the user being out a chakra the genjutsu did not fade meaning its not as easy to break as other genjutsu's so partner method is not working period. Once he uses genjutsu on Toneri and Kakashi he could control them to fight on his side or put them in a Chibaku tensei orb sucking out their chakra.

Yeh cause the movie is the one that's fanfic...

Yeah because Sasuke just decided not to use his tech simply as that. Madara did not use limbo on gai does that means its fanfic for him to do it no who are you anyways like why are you even replying to me lame asf.

Yeh pretty one-sided evaluation don't you think? how about you actually do the same for the other team.

What can they do? All ninjutsu gets absorbed via preta path Genjutsu 1 shots Toneri and Kakashi, Shira tensei ends Momoshiki Madara is raped by a single bushin using susanoo and chidori.

This fight is one sided af.
 

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Have you watched the movie Naruto literally engaged him with his Cloak and it was not absorbed i have went back through and i seen a clone was not present but it does not matter as momoshiki could not absorb his cloak which was made out of pure chakra.

His cloak, not a clone buddy. Not being able to absorb the RSM chakra cloak doesn't change the fact that he'll absorb the rest of Naruto's Ninjutsu, which is why they used pure chakra. Not even sure what the hell you are trying to argue.


Momoshiki has shown he cannot do more than fight Naruto and Sasuke head on at a time so you keep saying he'll be saving his teammates is nothing but a joke especially when Naruto can make this many clones Momoshiki is not saving a soul. Kurama is full now so he is not just a bijuu cloak he could even aid them in the cqc battle especially since his stats are boosted by the 50% of Hagoromo's chakra aswell.

No, Momoshiki has shown that if he's restricted to weapon formation, rock formations and Taijutsu, Naruto and Sasuke are enough to handle him. But if he has Ninjutsu from his teammates no, he doesn't. Your logic is once again, extremely shitty since Naruto spamming clones only makes his physical abilities worse. Which is why Sasuke can dismantle his one of his clones but not be able to dismantle the original.

-PS swings it's blade and all of his clones die.
-Momoshiki releases Madara's Katon, but boosted, and all his clones die.

When their fighting Momoshiki, Kurama clones could destroy the latter on their own since they have shown the capabilities to fight without Naruto now and with multiply Kurama avatars like at vote they gets raped 1 Kurama for each.

Momoshiki has no reason to turn his attention to Naruto and Sasuke alone as said above. You can keep stupidly trying to create your own scenarios but that's never going to change the facts.
Jump on Momo once they decide to engage him in cqc all his focus has to be on them of he dies simply as that and with the evidence i supplied Kurama will be engaging him this time making it even more unbalanced. Momoshiki is alone considering all his teammates can get raped in seconds if they even try to do a single thing. All arguments that i used with clones and blitzing was referring to the team learn to read.

Addressed.



They never give him a chance to absorb their ninjutsu especially when they start off attacking with a shunshin like canon while their clones handle the team. Sasuke also has preta path so anything Momoshiki spits at them its adsorbed back.

When Sasuke has the feats to absorb anything on the level of what Momo can dish out we'll talk. His canon response to Momoshiki's powers is Susanoo for defense, or evasion. Not Preta PAth.

PS full body is much more power than one limb and it was not even the full size of his perfect susanoo's head.

Irrelevant you dumb little shit as Juubi Sized Katon is far stronger than a fodder Katon.

Only if your shit logic actually panned out Momoshiki avatar which was that lava rock monster would have wrecked them but it was literally 1 shotted by the duo. Momoshiki's pheonix was ripped apart by Kurama while this was him in his fused form with much greater power of his elements and his lava release is more powerful than his fire.

Those aren't chakra absorptions, and the bold is irrelevant. Even if the pheonix's power was greater, Naruto being able to hold it back makes it's offensive power when it hits irrelevant. Not to mention feats disagree.

Your shitty logic is irrelevant. If a fodder Katon can break the head of PS and Kurama, then a Juubi Sized Katon boosted by Momoshiki is going to do heavy damage to Susanoo and Kurama. Not to mention Fused Momoshiki>>First form Momoshiki.

Momoshiki failed to absorb his kurama chakra off him and if you can read my arguments correctly you would not be thinking i said anything about the ashura avatar fighting him head on i was talking about besting him fire power vs fire power like BDFRS vs his enhanced Katon and i was using it as a durability reference since as a teen he was able to survive him and Sasuke's final attack due to the defense of his attack and Momoshiki is not coming close to replication power of I.A and BDFRS combined.

-Irrelevant.
-If Naruto fires any Ninjutsu, it's absorbed and then his Avatar gets absorbed.

Can we stop trying to rewrite canon? Naruto and Sasuke had to fight Momoshiki with Taijutsu. Thus their Ninjutsu is worthless.

Nice try but no, He had toneri on his team and if im correct Toneri is on his team here and has the most powerful attack on the team so they're is no difference and if you try to say Obito's Quad damas are stronger ill just tell you he needs nothing of that power magnitude to destroy some chibaku tensei's from Madara which you insist even after absorbing golden wheel would fail child bye.

Toneri's attack is only powerful in overall scale. The damage it does to a target is piss weak as shown by Naruto surviving it head on. Try again kiddo. Try. Again.


Juubito can tank something that split the god tree when his best defense was shattered by a Perfect susanoo blade? or Enhanced rasengans from K11 nice laugh but you must be joking. Madara who was much faster and stronger than juubito could not run block or defend he gets the same treatment and he splits juubito down the middle killing him.

His best defense tanked a Bijuu Dama and a

Gudo Dama>Madara's body. If Madara's body can't be cut in half, then a Gudo Dama shield the same size doesn't take any more damage. End of story. Madara couldn't run, if he had Gudo Dama he could've easily blocked as he was able to react. Not to mention Pre Shinju Madara being "much" faster than Obito is fanfiction. He's only faster. Period.
Kakashi is not warping anything he's not even tracking Adult Naruto and fighting stride he would also have his own clones and Kurama avatar to deal with or better yet one of Sasuke's bushin uses ameno to blitz Juubito with chidori one hit to the head would destroy his whole face we've seen what his chidori did to the asteroid on the last. Please do not make me go into example why Obito would not be close to reacting he'll i do it for the fun of it.

-Bold is based on nothing.
-If he tries to blitz Momoshiki claps his hands and rock formations push him away.
-If he sends clones after the group, they feed Momoshiki his power and then he obliterates them with souped up Katon or Bijuu Dama.
1 eye SM Madara's reaction >>>>>> Rinnegan Obito
Juubi with Gyuki and BM Kurama absorbed >>>>>>>> Obito's Juubi
Teen Sasuke Blitz Madara
Adult Sasuke striking speed >> His teenage self

-Irrelevant.
-Irrelevant.
-Irrelevant.
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Lol at being blitz is irrelevant because they have susanoo especially Madara Lol. Base injured and out chakra Naruto Chou Rasengan turned that god tree into splinters, and this tree was mountain sized this was all before it exploded it sent Momoshiki into orbit Chou FRS or any Bijuu dama varient completely decimates anyone on their team with no effort period.

And Naruto can use none of those with any kind of blitz, so thanks for proving my point kiddo. Any Ninjutsu Naruto fires at them is pulled in by Momoshiki.

Kurama clones nukes any avatar they have off the map aswell. Clones using this or wrecks team 2 life away.

Not sure how he can nuke shit when Momoshiki will just absorb it. In the real scenario Momoshiki just sits back and absorbs anything these retards fire at him. In fact, he absorbs Obito, Madara and Toneri's Ninjutsu from the jump and solos himself so I don't have to hear this shitty argument about how they isolate Momoshiki with clones and fight in CQC when Momoshiki doesn't need to do that if he has more than hand to hand combat.

Kamui is automatic since when? Momoshiki is busy fighting the real Sasuke Naruto and Kurama, Obito tries to help he gets killed fast. 15 years delayed his growth it did not make it worse and even with those years spent not training he still held his own against Momoshiki and rivaled Sasuke in every area combat that's enough for him to shit on everyone here except of Momo. The bold literally makes no sense considering every time Naruto had gained more of Kurama's chakra he become stronger and faster. 1 tails to 2 tails to 3 tails to 4 tails etc. KM to BM your dumb af.

Read chapter 597. When something hits Obito the part it hits is moved to the other dimension. Not wasting my time getting scans for an illiterate who can't even read them.

-15 years growth is irrelevant.
-Rivaling Sasuke is irrelevant and only helps my cause you moron. RSM Naruto was far faster than Sasuke pre skip, so if Sasuke has caught up to him, it means Naruto's gains were pathetic in comparison to his, meaning you still have no evidence that he's far faster than he was when he was a teen.
-Everytime Naruto's mode leveled up you retarded kid, is when his power jumped. Getting more chakra isn't going to make him stronger nor do you have a panel that proves this so do me a favor and drop it now.


Whos going to be helping Toneri when he's engaged in combat with a Bushin from Sasuke? especially when everyone is fighting their own opponent?

Please don't debate if you don't know how team debates work. K? Not sure how he's going to be fighting his own opponent when Naruto and Sasuke get murked if they try to enter CQC with him after absorbing Ninjutsu or eating more pills.


Because Momoshiki is fast enough to intercept their shunshin? and Multiply clones can use shunshin as well intercepting is not happening both Naruto and Sasuke can fly so the ground methods are useless. Sasuke and Boruto fooled Momoshiki with a clone transformation and stabbing his eye out Naruto and Sasuke does this for sure they've been doing for far longer and since the zabuza arc Momoshiki gets that eye jabbed out.

He can try and use "multiply" (lololol) clones using Shunshin, but Momoshiki can control the ground at will, he doesn't need to physically intercept them all. A simple clap of his hands and these clones are skewered or their path is blocked off by a giant wall. The Zabuza plan is extremely shitty if Momoshiki doesn't waste time engaging in CQC and just blasts them with Ninjutsu.

A ribcage Susanoo with chidori on it striking the diamond of their perfect susanoo's burst right through it with no problem especially Madara's. Your post is heavily reliant on Momoshiki being everywhere at once which is far from the case his hands are fulled with the real them and Kurama and like i said a shunshin from the start of the match stops him from absorbing anything. Katon gets absorbed right back by Sasuke, Mokuton does zero God tree is one the highest levels of wood and that stomp from the boruto movie and it was reduce to shit by rasengan varients, Bijuu dama power is matched with A.I or BDFRS.

Naruto could give Sasuke a chakra cloak to enhance his chibaku tensei aswell

-Not sure why Sasuke's using Susanoo when Momoshiki would just intercept and absorb it. :lol Keep on trying. A Shunshin from the start of the match gets intercepted by Momoshiki's ability to manipulate the Earth in any way he sees fit, then he absorbs Katon and Toneri's jutsu and solos these two on his own.

Then Toneri would just cut them while Momoshiki handles Naruto.

He doesn't need to be everywhere if his team doesn't separate like you desperately want them to.

-God Tree being the highest level of Mokuton in offense and defensive power is 100% bullshit. Hashirama's Shinsuusenju can enter a clash with Madara, and come out with only the arms destroyed. That clash>>>Naruto's YRS regardless of how many people try to wank "Rikudo".

The prime team gets raped, and you've yet to actually provide an argument that could be called legit, let alone a good one.

If I didn't know better I'd be saying that this is that moron above me's alt considering the typing style is pretty much the same.
 

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Why is this a thread? Naruto and Sasuke are so wanked so hard that any thread involving them are absolutely undiscussable.

It takes both Naruto & Sasuke just to fight Momoshiki.
A 2 man team of Momoshiki & Madara would wreck them since Momoshiki would stomp one of them while Madara can match either Naruto or Sasuke with ease in combat.


A 2 man team of Momoshiki & Obito would wreck them since Momoshiki already overpowered Naruto with ease prior to Sasuke's intervention with PS.
Obito takes out Sasuke since Sasuke possesses no form of senjutsu.


Even a 2 man team of Madara & Obito would win since the Gedo Mazo's chains in tandem with PS would easily rip Naruto from Kurama, killing Naruto again while Obito cockblocks Sasuke due to his lack of senjutsu.
 

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Naruto and Sasuke get killed in this match up. Momoshiki is just too much with teammates on that level.

Remove Momoshiki then either Naruto or Sasuke would solo.
 

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Who ever said anything about needing attention just stfu. Kaguya did not even cast I.T and what the fuc-k are you even talking about.
I said partner method is useless because only a Rinnegan can break rinnegan genjutsu and even with the user being out a chakra the genjutsu did not fade meaning its not as easy to break as other genjutsu's so partner method is not working period. Once he uses genjutsu on Toneri and Kakashi he could control them to fight on his side or put them in a Chibaku tensei orb sucking out their chakra.

@Bold look at the match up sweetheart.

Lol only helps my argument, Madara cast IT and the Genjutsu was still maintained after he's defeat yet they could still break IT using Rinnegan and Bijuu chakra period so how the fûck does "The genjutsu didn't fade after the user is out of chakra" affect the pathner method process? Sounds like a load of shit to me. Rinnegan genjutsu can be broken via Rinnegan period anything but that is mere speculation and wanking.

@underlined not happening, lol wtf.

Yeah because Sasuke just decided not to use his tech simply as that. Madara did not use limbo on gai does that means its fanfic for him to do it no who are you anyways like why are you even replying to me lame asf.

Which is more fanfic I wonder? The movie or a Sasuke wanker...
@Bold Your ego on an anime site....so sad. Please introduce yourself :lmao:

What can they do? All ninjutsu gets absorbed via preta path Genjutsu 1 shots Toneri and Kakashi, Shira tensei ends Momoshiki Madara is raped by a single bushin using susanoo and chidori.

This fight is one sided af.

All ninjutsus get absorbed by PP? Lol that was your first mistake. Momoshiki can do the same but better.
Toneri and Kakashi aren't getting one shot you idiot, not when Momoshiki is nuking the shit out of Sasuke and Naruto via Bijuudama's or Katons or he gets ass raped in CC.
Shinra tensei ain't doing jack when Momoshiki and Madara can do the same but instead Sasuke would be blasted before even resorting to that.

Please try not to write like a 2nd grader, already difficult enough with your shitty ass logic.
 

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Prime Sasuke is more than enough.

Rinnegan Genjutsu controls Toneri.

Sasuke turns Momoshiki into a chibaku tensei core crushing his living daylights out

PS runs a muck on the rest of these clowns
Madara uses his genjutsu to override Sasuke genjutsu and then uses his PS to beat Sasuke to a pulp and please don't try to argue that adult Sasuke Ps would be = to or better than Madara's when it wouldn't even be close. Infinite Tsukuyomi forces Sasuke to rush to Naruto side once this happens Momoshiki absorbs a Juubidamam from Obito Juubidama tree and proceed to obliterate the duo from reality once he spits it out. Naruto clones are countered via Wood clones and Limbo. Planetary Jokai koutan means Madara can slip out of any dangerous situation and it would provide a huge distraction.

Then there's the fact that Madara can use Buffed SS not much needs to be said after this.
 
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Madara uses his genjutsu to override Sasuke genjutsu and then uses his PS to beat Sasuke to a pulp and please don't try to argue that adult Sasuke Ps would be = to or better than Madara's when it wouldn't even be close. Infinite Tsukuyomi forces Sasuke to rush to Naruto side once this happens Momoshiki absorbs a Juubidamam from Obito Juubidama tree and proceed to obliterate the duo from reality once he spits it out. Naruto clones are countered via Wood clones and Limbo. Planetary Jokai koutan means Madara can slip out of any dangerous situation and it would provide a huge distraction.

Then there's the fact that Madara can use Buffed SS not much needs to be said after this.

This is Double Rinnegan Sage Mode Madara, Rinne Sharingan Madara would neg in this match up.
 

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Momoshiki's absorption ability is quite overrated here ,so i 'all try to draw the limitations of his jutsu based on feats .

-Momoshiki has never absorbed ninjutsu remotely ,the jutsu needs to be making contact with him or about to hit him just like preta path , that happened every time he used his jutsu (Bee's TTB ,Boruto's elemental jutsu's ,Shikamaru's Shadow ) .with that being said ,he cant just stand there and absorb everything even if this thing isn't aimed at him/making contact with him.he can't absorb naruto and sasuke avatars without contact

-Momoshiki has never absorbed more than one attack a time . I'd like to see someone explaining how Momoshiki would absorb 2 or more jutsu coming from different directions at the same time !!!

-with that being said ,either naruto or sasuke can easily bypass Momoshiki's absorption ability .two or more TTB coming from different directions at the same time is KO for Momo's absorption ability which Naruto can easily achieve by Avatar clones .
As for sasuke ,he can attack Momoshiki with one of his PS swords and while momoshiki is absorbing it, sasuke can kill him with the other sword .

-Momoshiki can't protect Obito's TTB tree since sasuke can cut it with PS shockwaves .
 

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the more i think about it, the more i wonder how Fused Momoshiki even lost to naruto and sasuke.
 
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the more i think about it, the more i wonder how Fused Momoshiki even lost to naruto and sasuke.
Because he doesn't have chakra of his own, he relies on those pills to create chakra iirc. It'd end differently if he had, let's say juubi jin lvl of chakra...
 

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Because he doesn't have chakra of his own, he relies on those pills to create chakra iirc. It'd end differently if he had, let's say juubi jin lvl of chakra...

He already had the pills and had absorbed quite a bit of chakra as well.
He could have just absorbed the PS-Kyuubi and then nuked the hell out of them.

Attempting CQC against them was rather stupid, and spending chakra on the fodder golem and bird was dumb since he could have used it on a TBB instead

dont remember about him not having a chakra on his own, that doesnt make any sense. Not when he has the rikudo chakra and can maintain 2 rinnegans and 2 byakugans
 
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@Bold look at the match up sweetheart.

Except Madara is not doing anything but getting shit blitz by a bushin so no.

Lol only helps my argument, Madara cast IT and the Genjutsu was still maintained after he's defeat yet they could still break IT using Rinnegan and Bijuu chakra period so how the fûck does "The genjutsu didn't fade after the user is out of chakra" affect the pathner method process? Sounds like a load of shit to me. Rinnegan genjutsu can be broken via Rinnegan period anything but that is mere speculation and wanking.

Still not understanding what your talking about sir are you illiterate or something? I.T could literally only be broken with another rinnegan user present (Sasuke) and that's how it was broken. Partner method is not happening especially when a clone could simply look at him then its game it could control him to fight anyone who's trying to break him free your just knock his ass out.

@underlined not happening, lol wtf.

How? Why? give your reasons or sit down.

Which is more fanfic I wonder? The movie or a Sasuke wanker...
@Bold Your ego on an anime site....so sad. Please introduce yourself :lmao:


Nothing is fanfic not a wanker just a logically thinker. Not an ego im just saying who are you again?



All ninjutsus get absorbed by PP? Lol that was your first mistake. Momoshiki can do the same but better.

Yeup preta being buffed by rikudou chakra means it can absorb more jutsu Except Momoshiki can only absorb with 1 hand which he needs up at all times.

Toneri and Kakashi aren't getting one shot you idiot, not when Momoshiki is nuking the shit out of Sasuke and Naruto via Bijuudama's or Katons or he gets ass raped in CC.
Shinra tensei ain't doing jack when Momoshiki and Madara can do the same but instead Sasuke would be blasted before even resorting to that.

It takes a single glance they are getting 1 shotted. Smh now this fool using that katon shit that kidgamer was talking about Momoshiki gets his ass splattered by shira tensei or his body becomes the core of Chibaku tensei crushing him to pierces all his moves are dodged,tanked,absorbed. Shira tensei is instant their not blasting shit and sorry Momoshiki rinnegan cannot do anything but absorb its virtually useless outside of that Lol @Madara's shira tensei even being a factor to Adult Sasuke's rikudou buffed shira tensei.


Please try not to write like a 2nd grader, already difficult enough with your shitty ass logic.

then why tf you quote me you fuc-ker
 

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Momoshiki's absorption ability is quite overrated here ,so i 'all try to draw the limitations of his jutsu based on feats .

-Momoshiki has never absorbed ninjutsu remotely ,the jutsu needs to be making contact with him or about to hit him just like preta path , that happened every time he used his jutsu (Bee's TTB ,Boruto's elemental jutsu's ,Shikamaru's Shadow ) .with that being said ,he cant just stand there and absorb everything even if this thing isn't aimed at him/making contact with him.he can't absorb naruto and sasuke avatars without contact

-Momoshiki has never absorbed more than one attack a time . I'd like to see someone explaining how Momoshiki would absorb 2 or more jutsu coming from different directions at the same time !!!

-with that being said ,either naruto or sasuke can easily bypass Momoshiki's absorption ability .two or more TTB coming from different directions at the same time is KO for Momo's absorption ability which Naruto can easily achieve by Avatar clones .
As for sasuke ,he can attack Momoshiki with one of his PS swords and while momoshiki is absorbing it, sasuke can kill him with the other sword .

-Momoshiki can't protect Obito's TTB tree since sasuke can cut it with PS shockwaves .

Please someone read this guy right here is on point.
 

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If I didn't know better I'd be saying that this is that moron above me's alt considering the typing style is pretty much the same.

Alt? SMH its 2016 people still talking about this and since when do i even have another account and trust me kid if i was debating you would know i would not show you no mercy i owned you many times in the past. expect a mention on my up in coming thread.

Team 2 wins.

How does Momoshiki stops his body from becoming a coreless chibaku tensei and how does he break it?

How does he survive shira tensei?

Naruto shoots Bijuu dama Momo goes to absorb it Sasuke jumps behind that ass a dices him how does he counter he can only absorb with one hand or Sasuke engages him in cqc and the moment he goes to strike he swaps with his sword stabbing Momoshiki rinnegan eye out or his runs right into his blade.

How does he counter his own body being used through ameno then landing on a seal?

Sasuke honestly solos this nb4 he needed Naruto help because plot restrict these type of combos.

Madara uses his genjutsu to override Sasuke genjutsu and then uses his PS to beat Sasuke

This is where i stop and considering this is non jj Madara ik your retarded as shit
 
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