prime madara vs adult noruto

[EZQ]

Those Bijus weren't all knocked back simultaneously, and I don't know how is it a surprise that the clone is fast enough, since...:

- The distance between the Bijus is minimal
- SM Madara's speed would easily allow him to do it, ergo his Limbo clone's speed would also be enough

... and strong enough, since:

- Part 1 Sasuke knocked out a giant bear, Part 1 Naruto held back a giant snake.
- Pain Arc SM Naruto was lifting Animal Path rhinos, Turtle Island SM Naruto lifted 50% Kurama
- So how is it a stretch to say 1R SM (and that's Hashirama's SM) Madara's Limbo clone couldn't knock back a Biju? Or is something except their size stopping him from doing it?

Also,

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. The attack had to be taijutsu, obviously not ST since there wasn't any ground damage from the shockwave and they weren't all hit at the same time.

1- Yes, they were knocked sumultaneously, or close to that. That's what the scan shows. If they'd started falling one after another i'm sure the last of them wouldn't be just standing still without even reaction or a !

2-Madara's speed is not enough to cover such a distance (the bijuus were forming a circle) and knocking them out so fast

3- Madara's strenght is not enough to knock out a bijuu with taijutsu, lmao

4- ST doesn't always show damage on the ground

Lmao, now Madara's taijutsu can knock down the bijuus so fast that it seems at the same time, with just pure strenght. I'm out

 

[EZQ]

I think they were hit in a sequence, hence why Kishi showed each of them react to a hit.

Terrible logic. All of them being hitting obviously doesn't fit on the same scan, thus kishi made 9.

If it was a sequence, there would have been at least a mental reaction from one of the bijuus, like, wtf is happening? or something like that.

EDIT: The scan i provided really shows all the bijuus hitting the ground at the same time

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Yes, they were knocked sumultaneously, or close to that. That's what the scan shows. If they'd started falling one after another i'm sure the last of them wouldn't be just standing still without even reaction or a !

2-Madara's speed is not enough to cover such a distance (the bijuus were forming a circle) and knocking them out so fast

3- Madara's strenght is not enough to knock out a bijuu with taijutsu, lmao

4- ST doesn't always show damage on the ground

Lmao, now Madara's taijutsu can knock down the bijuus so fast that it seems at the same time, with just pure strenght. I'm out

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Literally the same recycled arguments the Madara fanboys try to use when they wanna wank their fav.

2. Your assumption. Though I find it funny that you think any jutsu in Madara's arsenal would be able to do that.

3. Your assumption, once again. Though considering the level of argumentation you usually bring, these gaps in logic aren't surprising. I also like how you ignored everything Ambivalence posted, and just stated your opinion, which I'm 100% sure him and any other person who uses logic before posting doesn't care for when it's backed by nothing.

4. Irrelevant. If it were Shinra Tensei there would be no impact marks, as shown literally every time ST was used. Then we have the fact that Limbo hit Naruto, and showed the same impact marks as when Madara hit the Bijuu, but smaller.

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There is only 1 Deva technique that pushes people backwards and it is Shinra Tensei, and

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is what Shinra Tensei looks like. No impact marks. Then there's the fact that there were 9 different impact marks for each Bijuu, thus each Bijuu was hit once, and Shinra Tensei can't be used multiple times in a single go, nor were all the Bijuu hit at the very same time down to the nanosecond, so that renders this Shinra Tensei BS null and void.

Though I can't wait to see what BS you try and pull next. Maybe you'll invent a deva technique of your own? :lol.

 

[EZQ]

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Literally the same recycled arguments the Madara fanboys try to use when they wanna wank their fav.

2. Your assumption. Though I find it funny that you think any jutsu in Madara's arsenal would be able to do that.

3. Your assumption, once again. Though considering the level of argumentation you usually bring, these gaps in logic aren't surprising. I also like how you ignored everything Ambivalence posted, and just stated your opinion, which I'm 100% sure him and any other person who uses logic before posting doesn't care for when it's backed by nothing.

4. Irrelevant. If it were Shinra Tensei there would be no impact marks, as shown literally every time ST was used. Then we have the fact that Limbo hit Naruto, and showed the same impact marks as when Madara hit the Bijuu, but smaller.

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There is only 1 Deva technique that pushes people backwards and it is Shinra Tensei, and

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is what Shinra Tensei looks like. No impact marks. Then there's the fact that there were 9 different impact marks for each Bijuu, thus each Bijuu was hit once, and Shinra Tensei can't be used multiple times in a single go, nor were all the Bijuu hit at the very same time down to the nanosecond, so that renders this Shinra Tensei BS null and void.

Though I can't wait to see what BS you try and pull next. Maybe you'll invent a deva technique of your own? :lol.

Okay genius. Then what other explanation do you find to Madara doing what he did?

Do you really believe Madara is capable of performing that with just taijutsu? It looking like a punch is just a mistake since i'm sure Kishimoto didn't try to make limbo's taijutsu great enough to perform that because if it was that way, then rikudo madara's limbo would have stomped naruto's clones in taijutsu.

Or unless you think the real Madara can push all the bijuus almost simultaneously with taijutsu. Also, i said i think it could be a deva technique, like Madara has shown, his deva path is different from pain's, since he brought down a meteor with it, combining it with susano hand seals, which pain couldn't perform.

As there's no form to know what madara did there, i said i think it was a deva tech, but of course, that will never be confirmed. It could be also, susano projectiles or any other ninjutsu that pushed away the bijuus, but taijutsu? Until there's some indication of Madara being strong enough to push away a tailed beast with brute strenght, it's not a legit argument.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay genius. Then what other explanation do you find to Madara doing what he did?

Do you really believe Madara is capable of performing that with just taijutsu? It looking like a punch is just a mistake since i'm sure Kishimoto didn't try to make limbo's taijutsu great enough to perform that because if it was that way, then rikudo madara's limbo would have stomped naruto's clones in taijutsu.

Or unless you think the real Madara can push all the bijuus almost simultaneously with taijutsu. Also, i said i think it could be a deva technique, like Madara has shown, his deva path is different from pain's, since he brought down a meteor with it, combining it with susano hand seals, which pain couldn't perform.

As there's no form to know what madara did there, i said i think it was a deva tech, but of course, that will never be confirmed. It could be also, susano projectiles or any other ninjutsu that pushed away the bijuus, but taijutsu? Until there's some indication of Madara being strong enough to push away a tailed beast with brute strenght, it's not a legit argument.

There is no other explanation. Manga panels make it clear that the physical attack used on RSM Naruto and the physical attack used on the Bijuu are exactly the same. You, once again, ASSUME that Madara's clones have to shit stomp Naruto's in CQC because they can push the Bijuu back a few meters even though that just means Naruto=JJ Madara>>>>SM Madara in physical power, thus they do the same thing to the Bijuu. You, once again, ASSUME that Sage Madara with Rikudo's Power doesn't have the power to knock the Bijuu back when SM Naruto already has the power to lift a Bijuu, and Sage Jiraiya already has the power to physically fodderize a near Bijuu Sized Yak with a kick.

Nope. You, once again, ASSUME that Madara used Deva Path to bring down that Meteor. If he did use Deva to bring down that meteor, then it was an enhanced Bansho Tennin, rendering your point irrelevant. Madara showing a different usage of Deva Path doesn't bring up the possibility for him using some strange new technique that has never been hinted at once besides in your post.

It is clear what Madara used. The only issue is that you want to deny all evidence, ignore all posts that contain said evidence and continue on with our flawed opinion. :lol We can talk about that argument not being legit when you actually counter it.

 

[EZQ]

There is no other explanation. Manga panels make it clear that the physical attack used on RSM Naruto and the physical attack used on the Bijuu are exactly the same. You, once again, ASSUME that Madara's clones have to shit stomp Naruto's in CQC because they can push the Bijuu back a few meters even though that just means Naruto=JJ Madara>>>>SM Madara in physical power, thus they do the same thing to the Bijuu. You, once again, ASSUME that Sage Madara with Rikudo's Power doesn't have the power to knock the Bijuu back when SM Naruto already has the power to lift a Bijuu, and Sage Jiraiya already has the power to physically fodderize a near Bijuu Sized Yak with a kick.

Nope. You, once again, ASSUME that Madara used Deva Path to bring down that Meteor. If he did use Deva to bring down that meteor, then it was an enhanced Bansho Tennin, rendering your point irrelevant. Madara showing a different usage of Deva Path doesn't bring up the possibility for him using some strange new technique that has never been hinted at once besides in your post.

It is clear what Madara used. The only issue is that you want to deny all evidence, ignore all posts that contain said evidence and continue on with our flawed opinion. :lol We can talk about that argument not being legit when you actually counter it.

1- Lifting strenght =/= being able to lift something with a punch. As the scan shows, there's an impact there on the bijuus. The punch should be strong enough to lift a Bijuu, lmao. There's a difference to what Naruto did, since he had to grab the rhino (smaller than a bijuu), concentrate his strenght and lift it. A punch doesn't do that. Also, there's the speed thing, which makes this argument even more hard to believe.
Madara actually did all that so fast that it seems it was simultaneous, that means, no charge time. His punches didn't have hard time, and have to be strogn enough to lift a bijuu, not to mention, the speed he had to do to perform it.
Not to mention, pressure = Force/surface. Meaning that, the lowest the surface the force is being applied, the higher the pressure. If a force big enough to lift a bijuu is applied on the surface of Madara's punch, the pressure over the bijuus body would be so great (contentrated into one small point, which could be madara's hand or whatever he used for the punch) that instead of lifting the bijuu, the punch would have penetrated the skin of the bijuu.


So unless Madara had a part of his body with a big surface, at least one surface big enough to lower the pressure generated by a force big enough to send a bijuu flying without breaking the bijuu's skin durability limit and it not get pierced, it is imposible to lift a bijuu with a punch without causing superficial damage, bleeding or actually killing the bijuu.

2- If the difference between Madara (before gaining RSM thanks to being a juubi jin) and Naruto before gaining RSM was so great (Madara being able to lift bijuus with punches and running su fast that it seems simultaneously > Naruto's taijutsu before RSM) then give both the same power up (RSM) and the same difference should prevail. Naruto could have gained some more strenght, but to take it to the difference to close the gap that was before?

3- "It is clear what Madara used. The only issue is that you want to deny all evidence, ignore all posts that contain said evidence and continue on with our flawed opinion. We can talk about that argument not being legit when you actually counter it."

No, it's not. It was out paneled. You claim i'm ignoring all the evidence, while the only evidence you've provided is how impact looks like.

1- Impact can be generated with ninjutsu

2- An impat strongh enough to lift a bijuu, done with taijutsu (with madara's small body) would generate a pressure that would break the bijuus ribs or skin before lifting it. Unless Madara had lifted them, but there was clearly an impact.

Let's say you try to lift a boulder that weights 100000 N (newton), and let's suppose you are using the force from under it so the force required to lift it should be higher than 100000 N. If you apply that force with a small object (doesn't need to be sharp) the boulder would break and not get lifted. If you apply that force with an object that's bigger than the boulder, then the rock would get lifted without a lot of damage (only the damage done by the time of the impact, that would be resized a lot by the big surface of the applied srenght)

 

[Blunt]

@EZQ

A blind, non Senjutsu enhanced Madara was capable of obliterating SM enhanced miniature Diety Gates as well as blitzing SM Naruto. I see no reason as to why his power wouldn't increase exponentially to the point that WITH SM, unlike his pre Senjustu absorption, would be able to knock back Biju and cross well over 100m in that frame of time.

Not to mention Madara did absorb a Kyuubi cloak as well as gain his second Rinnegan which should theoretically increase his physical attributes on top of SM enhancements.


Limbo cannot use Ninjutsu. To this day I fail to see why people even care if they can, as Madara still possesses Shadow Clones and Mokuton Clones, which can use Ninjutsu, so it's irrelevant completely


Edit: Realized Ten Tails Coffin Seal replaces Hashirama's Senjutsu, which KG mentioned. So I was wrong on part of the post.

 

[Tarinth]

1- Lifting strenght =/= being able to lift something with a punch. As the scan shows, there's an impact there on the bijuus. The punch should be strong enough to lift a Bijuu, lmao. There's a difference to what Naruto did, since he had to grab the rhino (smaller than a bijuu), concentrate his strenght and lift it. A punch doesn't do that. Also, there's the speed thing, which makes this argument even more hard to believe.
Madara actually did all that so fast that it seems it was simultaneous, that means, no charge time. His punches didn't have hard time, and have to be strogn enough to lift a bijuu, not to mention, the speed he had to do to perform it.
Not to mention, pressure = Force/surface. Meaning that, the lowest the surface the force is being applied, the higher the pressure. If a force big enough to lift a bijuu is applied on the surface of Madara's punch, the pressure over the bijuus body would be so great (contentrated into one small point, which could be madara's hand or whatever he used for the punch) that instead of lifting the bijuu, the punch would have penetrated the skin of the bijuu.


So unless Madara had a part of his body with a big surface, at least one surface big enough to lower the pressure generated by a force big enough to send a bijuu flying without breaking the bijuu's skin durability limit and it not get pierced, it is imposible to lift a bijuu with a punch without causing superficial damage, bleeding or actually killing the bijuu.

2- If the difference between Madara (before gaining RSM thanks to being a juubi jin) and Naruto before gaining RSM was so great (Madara being able to lift bijuus with punches and running su fast that it seems simultaneously > Naruto's taijutsu before RSM) then give both the same power up (RSM) and the same difference should prevail. Naruto could have gained some more strenght, but to take it to the difference to close the gap that was before?

3- "It is clear what Madara used. The only issue is that you want to deny all evidence, ignore all posts that contain said evidence and continue on with our flawed opinion. We can talk about that argument not being legit when you actually counter it."

No, it's not. It was out paneled. You claim i'm ignoring all the evidence, while the only evidence you've provided is how impact looks like.

1- Impact can be generated with ninjutsu

2- An impat strongh enough to lift a bijuu, done with taijutsu (with madara's small body) would generate a pressure that would break the bijuus ribs or skin before lifting it. Unless Madara had lifted them, but there was clearly an impact.

Let's say you try to lift a boulder that weights 100000 N (newton), and let's suppose you are using the force from under it so the force required to lift it should be higher than 100000 N. If you apply that force with a small object (doesn't need to be sharp) the boulder would break and not get lifted. If you apply that force with an object that's bigger than the boulder, then the rock would get lifted without a lot of damage (only the damage done by the time of the impact, that would be resized a lot by the big surface of the applied srenght)

1. You have no proof that that kind of punch should have knocked pierced the skin of the bijuu when it's a blunt attack, and no blunt
attack has ever shown to have pierced the skin of a bijuu before. You have no proof to substantiate that such an attack should pierce
any of the bijuu without any proof.

Not to mention, the attack marks clearly show a physical attack. It's not that hard to believe that Madara's strength is so strong
when much weaker shinobi have stopped giant monsters, like Part 1 Naruto stopping Orochimaru's giant snake.

Madara's far superiority in strength from having a tiny amount of rikudo chakra, being naturally strong, and having senjutsu can
easily make it believable for him to have that kind of beating down feats that even if SM Naruto per say would never be able to
exert that kind of force with a punch, would still believably be able to knock the bijuu that far. Saying that that's impossible
for Madara to do when the manga shows it to be true isn't a legitimate argument, especially when Madara doesn't have any jutsu
to do what he did besides shinra tensei (should have different marks) and susanoo ( should produce huge shockwaves and doesn't
have that kind of marks either).

2. The huge difference in strength between Naruto and Madara is irrelevant after Naruto got the RSM chakra because A. His RSM
is superior to Madara's. And when we're dealing with something like rikudo chakra, huge differences between people with normal
chakra can easily be made up with a little bit more of rikudo chakra. This stuff is exponentially greater, so that huge difference is
not a big deal considering how much stronger characters get compared to the levels we're dealing with now.

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Lifting strenght =/= being able to lift something with a punch. As the scan shows, there's an impact there on the bijuus. The punch should be strong enough to lift a Bijuu, lmao. There's a difference to what Naruto did, since he had to grab the rhino (smaller than a bijuu), concentrate his strenght and lift it. A punch doesn't do that. Also, there's the speed thing, which makes this argument even more hard to believe.
Madara actually did all that so fast that it seems it was simultaneous, that means, no charge time. His punches didn't have hard time, and have to be strogn enough to lift a bijuu, not to mention, the speed he had to do to perform it.
Not to mention, pressure = Force/surface. Meaning that, the lowest the surface the force is being applied, the higher the pressure. If a force big enough to lift a bijuu is applied on the surface of Madara's punch, the pressure over the bijuus body would be so great (contentrated into one small point, which could be madara's hand or whatever he used for the punch) that instead of lifting the bijuu, the punch would have penetrated the skin of the bijuu.

That's just showing you that someone tiers above being able to knock Bijuu backwards shouldn't be an impossible surprise. Though it doesn't matter since you've yet to actually counter the real argument. The speed thing is a fact whether or not you want to believe it. If you aren't going set your baseless opinion aside from fact then you shouldn't be posting in the vs section at all. I also love how you ignored the Jiraiya example. Jiraiya kicked a yak that is near Bijuu sized dozens of meters with ease, and Madara is far stronger than him physically.

So unless Madara had a part of his body with a big surface, at least one surface big enough to lower the pressure generated by a force big enough to send a bijuu flying without breaking the bijuu's skin durability limit and it not get pierced, it is imposible to lift a bijuu with a punch without causing superficial damage, bleeding or actually killing the bijuu.

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When you can actually prove that Madara being strong enough to lift a Bijuu means that he can't punch a Bijuu without piercing it's skin then we can talk. Hell, this logic is crap and that's not even why.

2- If the difference between Madara (before gaining RSM thanks to being a juubi jin) and Naruto before gaining RSM was so great (Madara being able to lift bijuus with punches and running su fast that it seems simultaneously > Naruto's taijutsu before RSM) then give both the same power up (RSM) and the same difference should prevail. Naruto could have gained some more strenght, but to take it to the difference to close the gap that was before?

You ASSUME that RSM and Juubi are equal power ups in every category. Remove Juubi and RSM from Naruto and Madara and you get One eyed Madara w/o Sage Mode and BM Naruto. We have no idea if One Eyed Madara w/o Sage Mode is strong enough to knock back Bijuu so your comparison by looking at them pre power up doesn't even help your case. Don't say that it scales down to One eyed Madara w/ Sage Mode because JJ Madara isn't One Eyed Madara+Sage Mode+Juubi. Juubi's Nature Energy replaces Hashirama's completely.

No, it's not. It was out paneled. You claim i'm ignoring all the evidence, while the only evidence you've provided is how impact looks like.

That's evidence. :lol. The fact that you are ignoring it means that you are ignoring evidence.

1- Impact can be generated with ninjutsu

Irrelevant since you clearly can't tell me what Ninjutsu Madara has that'd make the exact same impact mark as his punch, kick or whatever physical move he did to knock Naruto back.

2- An impat strongh enough to lift a bijuu, done with taijutsu (with madara's small body) would generate a pressure that would break the bijuus ribs or skin before lifting it. Unless Madara had lifted them, but there was clearly an impact.

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Let's say you try to lift a boulder that weights 100000 N (newton), and let's suppose you are using the force from under it so the force required to lift it should be higher than 100000 N. If you apply that force with a small object (doesn't need to be sharp) the boulder would break and not get lifted. If you apply that force with an object that's bigger than the boulder, then the rock would get lifted without a lot of damage (only the damage done by the time of the impact, that would be resized a lot by the big surface of the applied srenght)

No, the force required to lift an object is the mass of the object. The only way your example makes any sense is if we assume the following:

-The force put into lifting is all put into a punch, which is false since people can't punch and knock away as much as they lift. Not to mention lifting is done with both hands, arms and the upper body. That alone ends any and all talk about Madara piercing the Bijuu with a punch of all things. A powerlifter who deadlifts 600 lbs, around 2700 N I think, isn't going to exert 2700 N of force every time he punches. Do you think that SM Naruto exerts force equal to Kurama's mass when he punches? :lol I hope not.

-The object in question isn't strong enough to take said attack and not be pierced.

 

[KingHashirama]

The madara who casually did this:

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Will beat any version of Naruto.

 

[Xlad]

Looooooool

 

[PIOLO]

That's just showing you that someone tiers above being able to knock Bijuu backwards shouldn't be an impossible surprise. Though it doesn't matter since you've yet to actually counter the real argument. The speed thing is a fact whether or not you want to believe it. If you aren't going set your baseless opinion aside from fact then you shouldn't be posting in the vs section at all. I also love how you ignored the Jiraiya example. Jiraiya kicked a yak that is near Bijuu sized dozens of meters with ease, and Madara is far stronger than him physically.

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When you can actually prove that Madara being strong enough to lift a Bijuu means that he can't punch a Bijuu without piercing it's skin then we can talk. Hell, this logic is crap and that's not even why.





You ASSUME that RSM and Juubi are equal power ups in every category. Remove Juubi and RSM from Naruto and Madara and you get One eyed Madara w/o Sage Mode and BM Naruto. We have no idea if One Eyed Madara w/o Sage Mode is strong enough to knock back Bijuu so your comparison by looking at them pre power up doesn't even help your case. Don't say that it scales down to One eyed Madara w/ Sage Mode because JJ Madara isn't One Eyed Madara+Sage Mode+Juubi. Juubi's Nature Energy replaces Hashirama's completely.



That's evidence. :lol. The fact that you are ignoring it means that you are ignoring evidence.



Irrelevant since you clearly can't tell me what Ninjutsu Madara has that'd make the exact same impact mark as his punch, kick or whatever physical move he did to knock Naruto back.

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No, the force required to lift an object is the mass of the object. The only way your example makes any sense is if we assume the following:

-The force put into lifting is all put into a punch, which is false since people can't punch and knock away as much as they lift. Not to mention lifting is done with both hands, arms and the upper body. That alone ends any and all talk about Madara piercing the Bijuu with a punch of all things. A powerlifter who deadlifts 600 lbs, around 2700 N I think, isn't going to exert 2700 N of force every time he punches. Do you think that SM Naruto exerts force equal to Kurama's mass when he punches? :lol I hope not.

-The object in question isn't strong enough to take said attack and not be pierced.

Here's how I think it works.

Well, in terms of Madara's general set of powers, either Naruto and Sasuke can fight Madara alone. Generally, Madara has RSM, Rinnegan and Rinne Sharingan. Well, both Naruto and Sasuke can counter all of those three general powers. Naruto can fight RSM since he has RSM, he can fight Rinnegan since he fought Sasuke. Rinne Sharingan can also be handled. Sasuke can also fight RSM since he fought Naruto who had RSM + Kurama, and he can fight Rinnegan since he has it. He can also counter Rinne Sharingan. This is the general aspect.

Even if you include KKG like Mokuton, even then Naruto and Sasuke can fight Madara alone.

But when you start to go in depth of powers, you see that Madara's advantages start to become more imminent. If Madara uses IT from Rinne Sharingan, Naruto is negged at once. If Madara uses Limbo from Rinnegan against Sasuke, Sasuke will struggle and ultimately lose since even though Limbo can be physically dealt with, it won't receive any harm by physical attacks. And it will be too much of a distraction for Sasuke to fight anything else Madara has to throw.

Plus, Madara has the advantage of immortality and regeneration plus infinite chakra and can ultimately outlast Naruto and Sasuke even if it is a stalemate fight, and can take some serious attacks as well without loss.

That was an individual overview. Although Naruto and Sasuke are individually equal to Madara, they have one weakness which Madara can throw at them. But if they are together, they can cancel out their partner's disadvantages against Madara's powers. Sasuke can save Naruto from IT and Naruto can fight Limbo for Sasuke. They not only cancel those disadvantages, but add to each others powers. In that case, Naruto and Sasuke combined can counter everything Madara has, and Madara can counter everything Naruto and Sasuke have together. Even Sasuke's dimension swap won't work on Rinne Sharingan Madara.

So conclusively, Naruto & Sasuke = Madara.

If you ask me this is also applicable in madara vs kaguya, madara has an edge

 

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Since you gave Madara fanfic abilities, like Limbo PS and the ability to put as much Nature Energy into his Susanoos as Naruto can put into his Avatar, Madara shit stomps him.

Db says limbo has all madara abilities ur opinon is void

Why cant madara put as much natural energy to his avatar as naruto again? He's handeling the juubi no problem, juubi has unlimited natural energy

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Fanfic Madara wins

DB > ur opinion

Fanfic madara stomps

This is not fanfic madara read DB

Naruto wins against non-fanfic Madara, so he loses to this one.

This is not fanfic madara db says limbo has everything madara has, regardless infinite tsukuyomi ends naturo in seconds so idk what u talking about

Oh I see, just thought if Limbo was a refraction of reality wouldn't it mirror Madara physical change/appearance? Since the DB stated that Limbo is equal to the original in terms of power, so Madara lost his EMS abilties once he became a JJ?. It was also shown in the game but I guess that doesn't count, fair enough.

Dont listen to these guys, kishi words > theirs.

Kishi wrote DB and kishiwrote the game storymode and desgined character moves.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

You realise that "Limbo having all the powers of the user" only means Physical prowess? A Limbo can punch as hard as Madara, but it can't Susanoo as hard as Madara. If they can, why didn't they use Limbo Susanoo in the Manga, which is the only real Canon.

The Juubi does not have Unlimited Chakra, as even Kaguya needed to recharge sometimes, and she is supposed to have at least twice as much Chakra than the juubi, Since she had both Madara's chakra and the IT Chakra, stated to be more than the juubi.

Limbo and Five Perfect Susanoos is certainly going to drain Madara's Chakra very fast.

 

[KidGamer65]

Db says limbo has all madara abilities ur opinon is void

Why cant madara put as much natural energy to his avatar as naruto again? He's handeling the juubi no problem, juubi has unlimited natural energy

1. DB says nothing. It says it has equal ability to him, not that it has all his abilities.

2. Fanfic. Not to mention Juubi doesn't have unlimited anything if Naruto was able to sense it in RSM.

Here's how I think it works.

Well, in terms of Madara's general set of powers, either Naruto and Sasuke can fight Madara alone. Generally, Madara has RSM, Rinnegan and Rinne Sharingan. Well, both Naruto and Sasuke can counter all of those three general powers. Naruto can fight RSM since he has RSM, he can fight Rinnegan since he fought Sasuke. Rinne Sharingan can also be handled. Sasuke can also fight RSM since he fought Naruto who had RSM + Kurama, and he can fight Rinnegan since he has it. He can also counter Rinne Sharingan. This is the general aspect.

Even if you include KKG like Mokuton, even then Naruto and Sasuke can fight Madara alone.

Kind of true, but just having the general power doesn't mean that it's the same for every person. Especially since Naruto is the only one with RSM.

But when you start to go in depth of powers, you see that Madara's advantages start to become more imminent. If Madara uses IT from Rinne Sharingan, Naruto is negged at once. If Madara uses Limbo from Rinnegan against Sasuke, Sasuke will struggle and ultimately lose since even though Limbo can be physically dealt with, it won't receive any harm by physical attacks. And it will be too much of a distraction for Sasuke to fight anything else Madara has to throw.

Yes, if Naruto lets Madara get IT off it's GG. As for the rest, no. If Madara uses Limbo against Sasuke, Sasuke tears them all apart with Susanoo. Physical attacks without Rikudo's power don't work and Sasuke has Rikudo's power, thus his Susanoo can hurt them.

Plus, Madara has the advantage of immortality and regeneration plus infinite chakra and can ultimately outlast Naruto and Sasuke even if it is a stalemate fight, and can take some serious attacks as well without loss.

If fighting Sasuke then yes. If fighting Naruto then the Bijuu can be removed from him.

That was an individual overview. Although Naruto and Sasuke are individually equal to Madara, they have one weakness which Madara can throw at them. But if they are together, they can cancel out their partner's disadvantages against Madara's powers. Sasuke can save Naruto from IT and Naruto can fight Limbo for Sasuke. They not only cancel those disadvantages, but add to each others powers. In that case, Naruto and Sasuke combined can counter everything Madara has, and Madara can counter everything Naruto and Sasuke have together. Even Sasuke's dimension swap won't work on Rinne Sharingan Madara.

The main point that Naruto and Sasuke need each other to beat Madara is true, but that's because Naruto can remove the Bijuu and Sasuke can protect Naruto from IT, not because Limbo can't be handled by Sasuke. And yes, Sasuke's Ameno works on Madara as shown in the Manga.

So conclusively, Naruto & Sasuke = Madara.

And this is where this post fails. VoTE 2 Naruto or VoTE 2 Sasuke (w/ Bijuu) are enough to fight and overpower JJ Madara. The only issue is, Sasuke can't incapacitate him like Naruto can, and Naruto can only do that if IT is prevented. In power VoTE 2 Naruto=Sasuke>=JJ Madara. In terms of a battle it takes both of them to win 100% of the time, but that'd be a stomp match.

If you ask me this is also applicable in madara vs kaguya, madara has an edge

Manga disagrees.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

You realise that "Limbo having all the powers of the user" only means Physical prowess? A Limbo can punch as hard as Madara, but it can't Susanoo as hard as Madara. If they can, why didn't they use Limbo Susanoo in the Manga, which is the only real Canon.

The Juubi does not have Unlimited Chakra, as even Kaguya needed to recharge sometimes, and she is supposed to have at least twice as much Chakra than the juubi, Since she had both Madara's chakra and the IT Chakra, stated to be more than the juubi.

Limbo and Five Perfect Susanoos is certainly going to drain Madara's Chakra very fast.

Come one now, Since when was it stated that Kaguya had atleast twice the Chakra of Madara and Kaguya using his Chakra? That's the real fanfic. Why wouldn't Limbo Clones have the ability to use Jutsu's and PS? By that Logic normal clones wouldn't as well but we have seen Madara create 20 Susanoo clones. Limbo and 5 PS would drain Madara's chakra? We're talking about JJ Madara right? cause he has plenty of chakra. This is the man who fought Hashirama for a full day let alone having the Juubi sealed inside him. He stated that one PS rivals the power of a Bijuu so we can guess a Bijuu >= PS, Madara has all 9 (8.5). Juubi > 9 Bijuus.

But, But according to the canon material (manga) Limbo was only shown to use Taijutsu so it depends how you view things honestly. The Limbo thing is iffy.

 

[BLAZE]

DB > ur opinion

scan.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Come one now, Since when was it stated that Kaguya had atleast twice the Chakra of Madara and Kaguya using his Chakra? That's the real fanfic. Why wouldn't Limbo Clones have the ability to use Jutsu's and PS? By that Logic normal clones wouldn't as well but we have seen Madara create 20 Susanoo clones. Limbo and 5 PS would drain Madara's chakra? We're talking about JJ Madara right? cause he has plenty of chakra. This is the man who fought Hashirama for a full day let alone having the Juubi sealed inside him. He stated that one PS rivals the power of a Bijuu so we can guess a Bijuu >= PS, Madara has all 9 (8.5). Juubi > 9 Bijuus.

But, But according to the canon material (manga) Limbo was only shown to use Taijutsu so it depends how you view things honestly. The Limbo thing is iffy.

Do the math. Kaguya takes over Madara's body, then absorbs chakra stated to be greater than his. Fairly simple.

Limbo Clones have no feats of using Jutsus, even in situations where Jutsus would be nececarry. If you post that Bijuu scan, i will point out that SM Naruto threw Kurama, and the Limbo Clone is clearly striking the Bijuu.

Perfect Susanoo and Limbo are more taxing, chakra wise, than normal Susanoo and Wood Clones.

 

[lndra]

How tf you misspell Naruto?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Is this guy saying Madara didn't use Limbo? When Madara literally said he was using Limbo?