Prime Itachi vs Prime Orochimaru (Read restrictions, on both)

[Bogard]

Itachi is far superior to Oro. It's obvious. I don't even know the meaning of this thread

 

[sytren]

Alright this is actually quite simple. Itachi would win because the whole reason he went after sasuke instead of Itachi is because Itachi was to strong for him. That was when both were sick. So even if you double their stats to being at prime. Itachi would own oro easy.

 

[Amaterasuice]

1st point- Oro was capable of killing the 3rd kazekage and the 3rd hokage not once mentioning sickness and this after the Itachi incident.

2nd point - Oro was in no way able capable of capturing Itachi and he admitted inferiority.

3rd point- Just show your inability to follow manga evidence. Anything that objects your theory is obviously a lie or bluff by kishi. :flaw::flaw:Sasuke already knew even Itachi wasn't capable of taking on the entire police force by himself. Hence why he asked Itachi.

1. Orochimaru summoned the first two kage and still nearly lost.

2. He admitted afterwards he can't capture him.

3. I forgot about that. My bad.

 

[Amaterasuice]

What do you mean by if you go by stats itachi > oro barely?.
You argument is piss poor. The max a character can get in the stats overall is 45 meaning even the strongest characters like edo madara would get around 39 or if lucky 40. Oro has 35, but that doesnt mean edo madara > oro barely.

Secondly the max is capped at 5, meaning ninja's that excel at something might have the same stat as another ninja who also excels at the same thing but isnt as good. Example oro, itachi and kurenai all have 5/5 for genjutsu, yet itachi schooled both in this field.

Kisame was said to have the highest chakra in akatsuki and he has a 5/5, yet sasori and hidan also have a 5/5 for stamina.

Even with the restrictions youve made itachi still wipes the floor with the snake. The yata mirror and totsuka sword isnt needed and if i remember correctly during their first meeting ms techniques was non existent when itachi came out the victor.

You speak of prime itachi vs prime oro, but you see that makes things even worse for oro. Itachi at 12 put oro who was in his prime in his place. The second meeting, oro was ill, but itachi was far worse and not only had one foot in the grave but has also used up majority of his chakra against sasuke and look what happened.

Allow me to put it this way for you;
12 year old itachi > prime oro
Sick/half dead itachi > sick oro
Pirme itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prime oro

And I'm not talking about Madara, who could kill them both alone.

Wait, did you just say 45 is total? It's forty.

Also, yeah, I know.

Itachi vs Orochimaru

Ninjutsu: Oro wins
Taijutsu: Itachi wins
Genjutsu: itachi wins
Intelligence: Equal ir not Oro.
Strength: Oro
Speed: Itachi
Stamina: Oro
Handseals: Equal

Pretty even, huh?

Sigh....I have to do this again!

Oro. Was not. In his prime. Against Itachi. The first time either. HE WAS FORTYFOUR! Better than he was now, but not his prime.

And Itachi was 13 btw. And around this time, he stopped training.

So it is really like this.

13 yr old Itachi> non-prime Orochimaru who wa strying to capture him.

Sick Itachi with totsuka blade>Sick Oro (who was worse at the moment)

Prime Itachi without Totsuka= Prime Orochimaru.

Seriously, this is getting annoying.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Itachi is far superior to Oro. It's obvious. I don't even know the meaning of this thread

Hm......Let's see shall we? Have we seen Orochimaru in his prime? No.

It's obvious the reason is the two need to fight in a fair fight.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

Itachi wins anytime.... tsukuyomi is more than enough... oro have only few weakness... and tsukuyomi is one of them

 

[Amaterasuice]

Itachi wins anytime.... tsukuyomi is more than enough... oro have only few weakness... and tsukuyomi is one of them

Congrats. You've made one of the three only intelligent answers.

But you forgot that I said Oro knows not to look in Itachi's eyes.

 

[NinjaK2D7]

Itachi has shown genjutsu that he can activate without eye contact, and it would be impossible for Orochimaru to win without even taking a glance at Itachi's eyes.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Okay, how about this? No restrictions and in prime?

Orochimaru has 3 summons: Asuma, Kimmimaro, and Haku

Itachi: weapons

 

[STRiKING BLaZE]

1. Itachi was in his prime, had ms, and wasn't blind at the time. Oro however was what, 44? Plus he was trying to capture him, not kill him. It annoys me that Itachi fans always say Itachi was at a disadvantage and never mention Oro was also.

2. No, he went after Sasuke because he can't take Itachi's body due to having to capture him in a weakened state.

3. This is the same kid who thought that Itachi was a bad guy and killed the Uchiha clan alone. Can you really take Sasuke's word?

Prime Orochimaru IS the Orochimaru that was in Akatsuki and in Naruto (Pre-Time Skip). He was a lot stronger in this time period than a younger Orochimaru. For example, a younger Oro didn't have the forbidden jutsus, Oral Rebirth, or Hydra Oro. If you want to pit the Oro from the 3rd World Shinobi against Itachi, he'll get stomp even harder than the older Oro.

Now for my opinion, I still would favor Itachi in this fight, but at least Oro won't get completely wiped out like in the last 2 fights.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Prime Orochimaru IS the Orochimaru that was in Akatsuki and in Naruto (Pre-Time Skip). He was a lot stronger in this time period than a younger Orochimaru. For example, a younger Oro didn't have the forbidden jutsus, Oral Rebirth, or Hydra Oro. If you want to pit the Oro from the 3rd World Shinobi against Itachi, he'll get stomp even harder than the older Oro.

Now for my opinion, I still would favor Itachi in this fight, but at least Oro won't get completely wiped out like in the last 2 fights.

It still wasn't his first body.

 

[teetooktier]

Itachi is the perfect counter to Edo Tensei if he has his Totsuka sword. Orochimaru winning because of Edo is unlikely.

 

[Simplified]

Who would win?

If you go be stats, Itachi barely>Orochimaru. But that's when they are past their prime.

If you look on Itachi's side, when he was sick, his stamina was 2.5, is speed was 5, and his strength was only 3.5. So if it's his prime, his stats are really:

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 4.5
Genjutsu: 5
Iq: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 5
Stamina: 3
Hand seals: 5
Total: 36.5

Now Orochimaru was also sick at the time he fought Sasuke and when he was sealed by Itachi (Because being sealed in a boy isn't going to help his health....Itachi sealed a low jonin level/high chunin level Orochimaru at the moment....not really that impressive)

His stats when he was not in his prime/sick was also weaker.
His strength was 3.5, speed was 4.5, and stamina was 3.5.

But in his prime:

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 3.5
Genjutsu: 5
Iq: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 5
Stamina: 4
Hand seals: 5
Total: 36.5

So their prime stats are equal. Now, for the restrections.

Itachi:
No totsuka blade or yata mirror: OVERKILL
Information: Knows about Orochimaru's oral rebirth/summning snakes.
Intent: kill

Orochimaru:
No edo tensei: bigger overkill then the weapons.
Information: Itachi's Tsukyomi/genjutsu
Intent: Kill

Battlefield: Cave with very little light. Then beside a ruined Cave when it goes susannoo vs hydra technique.

Final attacks: Orochimaru's Hydra vs Itachi's no weapons Susannoo.

Who do you think would win? I honestly think Orochimaru would take this with extreme difficulties.

Reason:
Itachi's only known weakness in his prime was obviously his average level stamina. Orochimaru's stamina wasn't that great, however found techniques around it. So when They use their ultimate techniques, Orochimaru will slowly start losing......until Itachi falls from exhaustion. Then Orochimaru should be able to finish it.

LOL @ bold.....

But Itachi wins cause of his Genjutsu, not Susanoo.

 

[Amaterasuice]

LOL @ bold.....

But Itachi wins cause of his Genjutsu, not Susanoo.

He knows not to look in Itachi's eyes.

 

[Billy]

He knows not to look in Itachi's eyes.

the first time itachi beat Oro was with a genjutsu that required no eye contact...

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Itachi has fire and water style. Sharingan techniques, shadow clones, shuriken jutsu, and summons crows.

Orochimaru has fire, wind, and earth style. He also has snakes, swords of kusunagi, that giant gate things, oral rebirth, kinjutsu.

Also, I said Orochimaru has info on Itachi's genjustu and Tsukyomi. So that means the finger thing also.


Thanks for your oppinions everyone!

He still could get him in a genjutsu

He has no counter for Tsukyomi

Knowing about something doesnt mean you can stop it

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Orochimaru, like he did with all his potential bodies, wanted them to come to him. SO he wanted to give him the curse mark.

Either that or try and take his body right then. Which he would have to capture him (to take his body).

Also, if you noticed in that fight.....Orochimaru wasn't in his prime or trying to kill him. He was forty-something. These are the years where you start getting weaker.

And I'd like to say this, Orochimaru wasn't full power......and is one of the villains who hasn't died yet.

Dude Orochimaru is aways in his prime
Due to him switching bodies
So dont go mentioning he wasnt in his prime
Only exception is when Sasuke beat him

Itachi doesnt even need Susanoo or any MS techs
All he need to do is Demonic illusion burning paper body

 

[Rike Senju]

Itachi med difficulty.

 

[TheLaw]

Itachis weaknes would be clones and good stamina cause itachi is by miles strongest in 1vs1 situations.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Itachi med difficulty.

i'd say low difficulty
I dont see whats stopping him from doing what he did last time when they were both in Akatsuki