Prime Itachi vs Prime Orochimaru (Read restrictions, on both)

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Who would win?

If you go be stats, Itachi barely>Orochimaru. But that's when they are past their prime.

If you look on Itachi's side, when he was sick, his stamina was 2.5, is speed was 5, and his strength was only 3.5. So if it's his prime, his stats are really:

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 4.5
Genjutsu: 5
Iq: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 5
Stamina: 3
Hand seals: 5
Total: 36.5

Now Orochimaru was also sick at the time he fought Sasuke and when he was sealed by Itachi (Because being sealed in a boy isn't going to help his health....Itachi sealed a low jonin level/high chunin level Orochimaru at the moment....not really that impressive)

His stats when he was not in his prime/sick was also weaker.
His strength was 3.5, speed was 4.5, and stamina was 3.5.

But in his prime:

Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 3.5
Genjutsu: 5
Iq: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 5
Stamina: 4
Hand seals: 5
Total: 36.5

So their prime stats are equal. Now, for the restrections.

Itachi:
No totsuka blade or yata mirror: OVERKILL
Information: Knows about Orochimaru's oral rebirth/summning snakes.
Intent: kill

Orochimaru:
No edo tensei: bigger overkill then the weapons.
Information: Itachi's Tsukyomi/genjutsu
Intent: Kill

Battlefield: Cave with very little light. Then beside a ruined Cave when it goes susannoo vs hydra technique.

Final attacks: Orochimaru's Hydra vs Itachi's no weapons Susannoo.

Who do you think would win? I honestly think Orochimaru would take this with extreme difficulties.

Reason:
Itachi's only known weakness in his prime was obviously his average level stamina. Orochimaru's stamina wasn't that great, however found techniques around it. So when They use their ultimate techniques, Orochimaru will slowly start losing......until Itachi falls from exhaustion. Then Orochimaru should be able to finish it.
 

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Oro knows not to look in sharingan.

IF edo tensei wasn't restricted Oro would win.

But idk. Prob still Oro. Itachi has a nice shot though
 

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I think Itachi still wins this one. Regardless of the mirror and sword, susanoo can still create a normal sword/weapons. it's just a matter of him dual wielding susanoo blades (not uncommon). as for the battle itself, while you stated orochimaru would be aware of Itachi's tsukuyomi, he wouldn't be aware of how much he evolved his genjutsu to the point of the Ephemeral techique (look at his finger). Also Orochimaru doesn't actually have much variety with his skills, it's mostly snakes and kusanagi blade. With Itachi he is a VERY good tactician (and let's face it being a tactician in naruto can be better then 80% of KG and abilities) that combined with his crazy shuriken skills, uchiha fire technique, and genjutsu, he can end up wiping the floor with him. Especially because of the battle field. Unlike kabuto, Orochimaru doesn't use his snakes to really sense anything/beat genjutsu. whereas Itachi's sharingan would help him due to the low lighting and also factoring the Sharingan's slow down ability as well. Itachi for the most part has it in the bag. It wouldn't be cake walk, but Itachi would still win.
 

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Itachi, he has Genjutsu which Oro probably doesn't want to get caught in, Susannoo which is such a great defense, and good Fire Release Ninjutsu. But would be a great and difficult fight for him o.o
 
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Hm... if Itachi did something like aim at the end with Amaterasu he might prevent Oral Rebirth, but I think that Orochimaru is more diverse than that.

He should be able to sense temperature too, so he can attack Itachi without having to worry about looking into his eyes. When it finally escalates to the Hydra vs Susano'o level, than I think Orochimaru would win since Hydra was supposed to regenerate (unless Amaterasu works on it). I think that the Orochimaru vs Itachi fight went on for longer than we know of tbh.
 

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Ok im a little confused? Itachi beat orochimaru twice, first time oro was perfectly healthy and just got pwned.

Second time may have been different if oro had knew about the legendary weapons but I honestly cant see Itachi losing against him
 

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I think Itachi still wins this one. Regardless of the mirror and sword, susanoo can still create a normal sword/weapons. it's just a matter of him dual wielding susanoo blades (not uncommon). as for the battle itself, while you stated orochimaru would be aware of Itachi's tsukuyomi, he wouldn't be aware of how much he evolved his genjutsu to the point of the Ephemeral techique (look at his finger). Also Orochimaru doesn't actually have much variety with his skills, it's mostly snakes and kusanagi blade. With Itachi he is a VERY good tactician (and let's face it being a tactician in naruto can be better then 80% of KG and abilities) that combined with his crazy shuriken skills, uchiha fire technique, and genjutsu, he can end up wiping the floor with him. Especially because of the battle field. Unlike kabuto, Orochimaru doesn't use his snakes to really sense anything/beat genjutsu. whereas Itachi's sharingan would help him due to the low lighting and also factoring the Sharingan's slow down ability as well. Itachi for the most part has it in the bag. It wouldn't be cake walk, but Itachi would still win.
Itachi has fire and water style. Sharingan techniques, shadow clones, shuriken jutsu, and summons crows.

Orochimaru has fire, wind, and earth style. He also has snakes, swords of kusunagi, that giant gate things, oral rebirth, kinjutsu.

Also, I said Orochimaru has info on Itachi's genjustu and Tsukyomi. So that means the finger thing also.


Thanks for your oppinions everyone!
 

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itachi is smart and will find a way to make oro look into his eyes or finger. if itachi fails to do that, then i think orochimaru will outlast him. but not beat him.
 

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You shouldn´t restrict the Legendary items Itachi possesses or Orochimaru´s Edo Tensei. I enjoy believing that with no restrictions on any of their techniques Orochimaru would win simply becuase of Edo Tensei, nothing more. Without Edo Tensei this match is heavily in Itachi´s favor.
 

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Ok im a little confused? Itachi beat orochimaru twice, first time oro was perfectly healthy and just got pwned.

Second time may have been different if oro had knew about the legendary weapons but I honestly cant see Itachi losing against him
Why are you confused?

Forst time: Orochimaru was trying to give him curse mark and underestimated him. At the same time, Itachi was in his prime. Orochimaru was still in his forties.

They're basically equally talented. It's a fair fight.
 

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You shouldn´t restrict the Legendary items Itachi possesses or Orochimaru´s Edo Tensei. I enjoy believing that with no restrictions on any of their techniques Orochimaru would win simply becuase of Edo Tensei, nothing more. Without Edo Tensei this match is heavily in Itachi´s favor.
They;re basically equally talented. It won't be that far apart. Because orochimaru tried giving the curse seal to Itachi, and then tried beating him in a high chunin/low jonin level due to a crappy body.

But if you count the weapons or edo tensei......Itachi would easily lose. Because edo tensei is the most powerful thing since chuck norris. Take that away and Itachi easily wins because of weapons. I had to take both away to make it fair.
 

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Why are you confused?

Forst time: Orochimaru was trying to give him curse mark and underestimated him. At the same time, Itachi was in his prime. Orochimaru was still in his forties.

They're basically equally talented. It's a fair fight.
What? where does it say Oro was trying to give Itachi curse mark?

That first fight oro got owned. Itachi didnt even have to point his finger to put him under a genjutsu. There is not really any excuse for that first fight, oro just ran away after he got his arm cut off, deciding to go for the easier target (sasuke)

They are basically equal in this vs thread yes, but without your restrictions of the legendary weapons and edo tensei, Itachi is on another level to oro
 

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ok but still Itachi is a smart cookie (lol) he'll figure out a way to hit orochimaru with genjutsu (which he always does against everyone, i mean seriously if that was an achievement he would own it for all the times he's shattered into crows without people realizing they had been hit with genjutsu) and again... Itachi is like a powerful shikamaru who also has amaterasu and susanoo. with susanoo having a lot of defense and being able to dual-wield swords. and if the hydra regenerates, amaterasu deals with it.
 

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I truly have no idea. my initial thought was itachi with mid-hi difficulty... but if he knows not to look into itachi's eyes then damnnnnn it would be one hell of a match. I honestly can't say either way.


edit:... after long thought I am still leaning towards itachi with a higher difficulty... I'd say oro would be a huge challenge but in the end if Oro decided not to flee itachi would kill.
 
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