[VS] Prime Hiruzen vs 5 kage

[KidGamer65]

No they outsmarted Kakashi in that instance. The argument was either they outsmarted him, or they were fast and skilled enough to get a bell through force. You can take your pick which.



So far Perfect Susanoo as the ability to slice, stab, and crush. Now Oonoki could have taken one of two measures. He could lighten to the extent that he lightened the two meteors. The crushing power of Perfect Susanoo is greatly reduced. In addition, that makes it easier to deal with as its strength and destructive power would go down with the diminished weight. That would then leave Perfect Susanoo more susceptible to the 4th raikage and the 5th hokage's strength. Additionally as we know that Tsunade is an expert with transformation jutsu, and based on the performance of Gamabunta and genin Naruto against Shukaku we can imagine that Tsunade with Katsuyu could do something similar. But you may not like that argument but we are also aware that Perfect Susanoo has nothing to harm Katsuyu whatsoever. And in it's lightened state it may well be too light to casually push Katsuyu aside as she evidently weighs a great deal.
Oonoki could also do the exact opposite. He could weigh down the susanoo with a weighted rock technique that parallels his light rock technique . That in turn would increase the destructive power of the Perfect Susanoo. He would then make the kages and gaara's sand lighter so that they can move quicker to avoid the susanoo's now arduously slow movements. From there a different strategy is used. Katsuyu is against necessary as she has the most acidic acid shown to date. As we well know, Susanoo is without a doubt not impervious to acid. And with the acid the structural integrity of Susanoo will start to fail, and Susanoo will be too slow to avoid said acid. Then Tsunade could boost Mei's Lava based jutsu to work after the acid to further melt the slow Susanoo. As icing on the cake we are also aware that Jinton has some effect on the susanoo. And As Madara can only absorbs what comes to him, and he's a speck in comparison to susanoo it's possible to further take out the structure of susanoo. At this point you return Tsunade to her normal weight and have her right Gaara's sand. While Oonoki rides A's back and the beat around the greatly damaged Susanoo. All the while serving as a distraction for Gaara to gather enough Sand from the surrounding desert to create a sealing jutsu large enough to encompass the entire Perfect Susanoo. The Perfect Susanoo will be too slow to avoid. And As it engulfs the PS, Oonoki use his great weighted rock technique to weigh the sand down making it even more difficult, even impossible for Madara and his Susanoo to struggle against it.

Onoki needs to make contact with Perfect Susanoo to lighten it or make it heavier, that isn't ever happening.

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If you think Onoki is getting to PS before it swings it sword, then you have another thing coming, Madara could have killed them with that sword slash if he didn't try and flaunt its power. The shock wave alone destroyed two mountains. Onoki won't make it PS to do anything to it before its sword slash annihilates them.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Onoki needs to make contact with Perfect Susanoo to lighten it or make it heavier, that isn't ever happening.

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If you think Onoki is getting to PS before it swings it sword, then you have another thing coming, Madara could have killed them with that sword slash if he didn't try and flaunt its power. The shock wave alone destroyed two mountains. Onoki won't make it PS to do anything to it before its sword slash annihilates them.

Onoki is pretty fast in airborne. Maybe he can dodge the PS's sword.

 

[KidGamer65]

Onoki is pretty fast in airborne. Maybe he can dodge the PS's sword.

Onoki isn't flying out of a whole mountain range before PS sword comes down (which only took a split second).

 

[Tazzilla88]

Onoki is pretty fast in airborne. Maybe he can dodge the PS's sword.

It's really not even a maybe. Oonoki is a tiny target. Fast and small. The odds of Madara successfully hitting such a small target is astronomically low. The size is impressive, but it's size is it's weakness against regular sized shinobi.

Onoki isn't flying out of a whole mountain range before PS sword comes down (which only took a split second).

Oonoki doesn't need to fly out of a mountain range all he needs is to not be hit by the sword. And That would be like you trying to hit a fly with a sword in real life. It's not going to happen.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's really not even a maybe. Oonoki is a tiny target. Fast and small. The odds of Madara successfully hitting such a small target is astronomically low. The size is impressive, but it's size is it's weakness against regular sized shinobi.



Oonoki doesn't need to fly out of a mountain range all he needs is to not be hit by the sword. And That would be like you trying to hit a fly with a sword in real life. It's not going to happen.

Where did you get this from? It is FAR from the truth. Does a sword in real life make giant shockwaves that destroy the landscape in its path? Nope. Not to mention the shockwave ravaged that whole mountain range, if he doesn't escape the Mountain range the shockwave will kill him, the sword itself never has to touch him. Go look in the bottom right hand panel of the second page, Madara didn't even aim to hit them and they still got thrown back a good distance by the shockwave. If he had aimed for them they obviously would have died. Onoki is never even getting off the ground before Madara murks him with PS.

 

[Jobrjo]

lol, Hiruzen would get utterly destroyed. I'm confident that ANY 2 of the Kage could beat Hiruzen, and possiblly some 1 on 1. But him vs all 5? Pathetically easy win by the Kage.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Where did you get this from? It is FAR from the truth. Does a sword in real life make giant shockwaves that destroy the landscape in its path? Nope. Not to mention the shockwave ravaged that whole mountain range, if he doesn't escape the Mountain range the shockwave will kill him, the sword itself never has to touch him. Go look in the bottom right hand panel of the second page, Madara didn't even aim to hit them and they still got thrown back a good distance by the shockwave. If he had aimed for them they obviously would have died. Onoki is never even getting off the ground before Madara murks him with PS.

It was a relation to size. The effects the fly would.... you know what screw this is not even a discussion that interest me. I'm not going to try and pour water into a filled cup

 

[KidGamer65]

It was a relation to size. The effects the fly would.... you know what screw this is not even a discussion that interest me. I'm not going to try and pour water into a filled cup

I get your example and it doesn't relate to the situation, especially since swinging a sword in real life and PS swinging its sword have two very different effects. The fly won't get hit by the sword due to its size, Onoki won't get hit by the sword due to his size either, but the shockwave will still take him out. That's why your example doesn't make sense here.