Preta Path & Edo Tensei Chakra limitations

[DemonicAvenger]

Limitations

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Edo Tensei Chakra:

When Madara was Freed from the Edo Tensei Covenant he Stated that Edo Tensei's have and Infinte Amount of Chakra. People have Taken this to mean that And Shinobi Resurected With Edo Tensei can Spam Jutsu's and make them much more powerful that they normally would.

This is False, While The Edo Tensei Bodies do have an unlimited amount of Resouces from which to make chakra they cannot Knead or release more chakra than there body could before resurection (or however much their body could in the state it was ressurected in.

I Base this on The Fact that Muu was incapable of Using Jinton after being split.
After Being Split the amount of chakra he could release/Knead was effectivly cut in half.

Further Proof on the fact that only a certain amount of chakra can be kneaded/Released by any certain person is proven by Naruto's Learning of the Rasengan. He had to Train his Chakra Ciculatory System to Knead more chakra and Also be able to release and sustain more chakra (the Second Step of the Training is an excellent example)


So In conclusion, Yes Edo Tensei Bodies have the Resouces to Continously Make Chakra, Yet the ninja Cannot Knead/Release more chakra than when they could in their life.

References:

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Madara's Statement on Edo Tensei:

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Muu's Edo Body Failing to use Jinton:

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Naruto's Rasengan Training:

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Preta Path:

Preta Path has the ability to Abosorb Ninjutsu and Render them useless. This is done by taking in the Chakra and spinning the chakra until it is steralized (this is stated in the databook but i couldn't find the page to save my life) The Chakra does not go to the Preta path users chakra reservers but instead literally becomes nothing (for the lack of a better of a better way to put it)


I find that this is done by opening the Tenketsu and allowing the jutsu to flow into the user's Chakra Ciruclatory system (The opposite of Kaiten in a way) The Chakra is then Spun until it becomes sterile.

Now there's Two Factors that dictate how much the user can Absorb and how fast they can absorb it.

1. The Amount of Chakra that the User can Knead/Release

2. The User's Skill in Chakra Control

The Amount of Chakra that the User Can Knead/Release Dictates the amount of Chakra that The user of Preta Path can allow into their Chakra System at one time. Chakra being absorbed must be spun and sterilized to allow more to enter the system, This is where the User's Skill in Chakra Controll comes into play. The user's Chakra Control Dicates the Speed at which they can spin the absorbed chakra and therfore means that the better chakra control they have the faster they sterilize the absorbed chakra. The Use of the Barrier when using Preta Path means that the user has either worse Chakra control or cannot Knead/Release as much Chakra as one that does not have to use the barrier. Meaning that the path that used preta in the six paths of Pain cannot absorb as much chakra as Madara or Nagato.




References:

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Pain's Preta Path:

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Nagato using Preta Path:

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Madara Using Preta Path:

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[NoMoreLove]

Nice one. Solid evidence and I believe you for sure. Now that I think about it, it makes a lot of sense.

 

[Lawliet L]

so your saying your right? and the manga is wrong?

 

[GwemBaba]

False.

Madara couldn't possibly use Mokuton on that scale without using many more times the chakra that is required from Hashirama.

An example is that Yamato's DNA is more Senju than Madara and he is lesser in talent than an Edo Madara.

This would make Senju DNA one giant contradiction.

 

[Edo Odin]

Did it not cross your mind to Google Search "Preta Path Databook" ?

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Anyways, you're wrong. Note the "Endless Whirlpool" and "Bottomless Swamp". There's nothing at all supporting your statements on the Preta Path, it's nothing more than baseless assumptions.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

False.

Madara couldn't possibly use Mokuton on that scale without using many more times the chakra that is required from Hashirama.

An example is that Yamato's DNA is more Senju than Madara and he is lesser in talent than an Edo Madara.

This would make Senju DNA one giant contradiction.

What are you even refering too?

so your saying your right? and the manga is wrong?

I havnt seen anything that would contradict this. If anything the Manga supports both of my hypothesies.

 

[Hell Autarch]

Yes, they can't release more chakra than their body could when they were alive . However this does not mean that they were weaker than when they were alive. Itachi could use his Susanoo for way more time than when he was alive. He did not even feel the pain he used to, when he was alive.

 

[HadouKage]

Doesn't Naruto have like one of the highest chakara reserves in the series and his got absorbed?
Yo what's up with ppl these days?

Rep for effort tho

 

[GwemBaba]

What are you even refering too?



I havnt seen anything that would contradict this. If anything the Manga supports both of my hypothesies.

The fact that Edo Madara using Mokuton as advanced as Hashirama is impossible without using much more chakra.

More chakra than he could possibly have.

 

[HadouKage]

What are you even refering too?



I havnt seen anything that would contradict this. If anything the Manga supports both of my hypothesies.

Nah, Naruto got his reserves absorbed and he has one of the highest in the series

 

[Download]

i totally agree with NoMoreLove nice

 

[DemonicAvenger]

The fact that Edo Madara using Mokuton as advanced as Hashirama is impossible without using much more chakra.

More chakra than he could possibly have.

Let me try it like this.

Edo's have overall infinite chakra.

But they can't use more chakra at one time than when they were alive. Like an Edo Naruto couldn't use a earth sized Bijudama.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

False.

Madara couldn't possibly use Mokuton on that scale without using many more times the chakra that is required from Hashirama.

An example is that Yamato's DNA is more Senju than Madara and he is lesser in talent than an Edo Madara.

This would make Senju DNA one giant contradiction.

Madara had large and powerful enough chakra to fight Hashirama while contolling Kurama and using a giant Susanoo to protect him. Also it has been shown that Senju DNA does increase chakra in a person. Madara has implanted Hashi's cells into his wound from the the battle. Another thing, Kabuto stated that he modified Madara's edo tensei. He took everything Madara had at the time of his death but mad ehis body younge. This means, prime body, Hashi cells/senju DNA, and Rinnegan.

To OP: The user of Preta Path can indeed use the chakra that he absorbs, as seen when Nagato absorbed Bee's bijuu chakra and used it to return his health.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Madara had large and powerful enough chakra to fight Hashirama while contolling Kurama and using a giant Susanoo to protect him. Also it has been shown that Senju DNA does increase chakra in a person. Madara has implanted Hashi's cells into his wound from the the battle. Another thing, Kabuto stated that he modified Madara's edo tensei. He took everything Madara had at the time of his death but mad ehis body younge. This means, prime body, Hashi cells/senju DNA, and Rinnegan.

To OP: The user of Preta Path can indeed use the chakra that he absorbs, as seen when Nagato absorbed Bee's bijuu chakra and used it to return his health.

I don't know if I mentioned this in the OP.

The chakra flowing through his system revitalized him, it was still sterilized. Databook also states that.

@6 paths

Obvious hyperbole. There's plenty of examples of the Databook over stretching abilities.

Databook also uses "like" making it a simile meaning that's its not literally infinite.

 

[HadouKage]

I don't know if I mentioned this in the OP.

The chakra flowing through his system revitalized him, it was still sterilized. Databook also states that.

@6 paths

Obvious hyperbole. There's plenty of examples of the Databook over stretching abilities.

Databook also uses "like" making it a simile meaning that's its not literally infinite.

Hyperbole? Simile?
Do you have proof that it can't?
Manga tells me otherwise, as it has never failed to absorb chakara

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I don't know if I mentioned this in the OP.

The chakra flowing through his system revitalized him, it was still sterilized. Databook also states that.

@6 paths

Obvious hyperbole. There's plenty of examples of the Databook over stretching abilities.

Databook also uses "like" making it a simile meaning that's its not literally infinite.

If the chakra is neutralized completely then it wouldn't be available to sterilize Nagato. I think, of course this is all specualtion but supported by apparent evidence, that Nagato can choose to neutralize the chakra he absorbs or take it into his own chakra system for use. Overall good thread though.

 

[Edo Odin]

@6 paths

Obvious hyperbole. There's plenty of examples of the Databook over stretching abilities.

Databook also uses "like" making it a simile meaning that's its not literally infinite.

Oh, lmao...

This is ridiculous. You take your random, completely baseless assumptions and bring them out like Cold, Hard facts, expecting people to believe it to be true just because you say so. There's nothing in the manga that supports your statement, in fact, the Manga actually disagrees with you. But of course, it must be a "Hyperbole", despite there being nothing to actually support it.

Take your shitty facts and hyperboles someplace else.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

If the chakra is neutralized completely then it wouldn't be available to sterilize Nagato. I think, of course this is all specualtion but supported by apparent evidence, that Nagato can choose to neutralize the chakra he absorbs or take it into his own chakra system for use. Overall good thread though.

The Chakra has to flow through his chakra system while spinning, so it would flow through him before sterilizing.

Hyperbole? Simile?
Do you have proof that it can't?
Manga tells me otherwise, as it has never failed to absorb chakara

The burden of proof is on you to prove it can.

But the only thing you have is an obviously flaw DB page as it doesn't state what your taking it to mean.

 

[HadouKage]

The Chakra has to flow through his chakra system while spinning, so it would flow through him before sterilizing.




The burden of proof is on you to prove it can.

But the only thing you have is an obviously flaw DB page as it doesn't state what your taking it to mean.

It's already been proven?
You have no proof that it cannot, just assumptions

 

[nakumaru]

Good thread. I agree completely. Everything is supported by logical evidence.

Brace yourself for the butthurt Rinnegan fanboys.