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[NarutoX28]

I forgot about Kirin

There's also Chidori Katana and Chidori Senbon.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

There's also Chidori Katana and Chidori Senbon.

cause sasuke is a show off

so what if naruto is a 1 pony with a 1 dimensional moveset? he neggs 99% of the verse bar sasuke :bdpf:

 

[Remedy]

Nope, it's not, and Thanos already agreed on it. Your scans are completely irrelevant, as you're basically showing me the tree absorbing chakra - you know, its purpose - and I stopped taking the post seriously when you compared the Shinjuu to Hashirama's Mokuton, which has proven to be completely different. Shinjuu =/= Hashirama's Mokuton, and don't try to argue otherwise.

Though I probably agree on the LRS having Wind part.

I agreed on the durability part as well, in case you skipped that part, I wasn't arguing that point. I was arguing that shinju itself can be impervious to chakra, mokuton deriving from shinju, was used to make similarities, nothing more or less from the statement.

Glad we can agree on LRS having futon.

 

[shelke]

Those conditions highly depend on the user's spatial manipulation. As Kakashi has described, spatial manipulation determines the effectiveness of the attack or more specifically, the scope and power of the attack. Kisame was impressed at B's ability to manipulate Raiton as it surpassed the penetrative force of a Futon which is something that normally shouldn't be the case. We know this because of the properties each nature carry. Futon naturally pierces through Kakashi's Chakra Paper whereas Raiton causes it to crumble.

Of course, Raiton can surpass the penetrative force of a Futon depending on both user's efficiency, but Raiton and Futon used by users of the same skill level will result in the Futon having a higher penetrative force.

The terms Kakashi used had to to with Nature chakra control and giving the ability shape:

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The term "spatial" means "relating to space," for instance, spatiotemporal aspects would mean aspects relating to time and space. Nowhere in that training does Kakashi state that Futon has more cutting power than Raiton (provided the conditions Kisame described) and that spatially Futon covers more area so it has more cutting power. Literally nowhere.

That paper thing means literally nothing, when Raiton, if concentrated on a sharp point, can cut Raiton as well. Examples would include Kakashi cutting a lightening bolt and Sasuke cutting through Raikage's cloak, which completely took him by surprise; he wasn't expecting it at all. Show me an image of wind cutting through wind with this level of efficiency.

At the same skill level? Sasuke and Naruto's chakra control is at the same level; since when? Naruto's chakra control, despite possessing the automatic chakra control provided by "The knowledge of all things" is still no where near the Sage's level. It's nowhere near Sasuke's. Otherwise, Kurama wouldn't have been shocked. So, that user, with CC unmatched by any ninja cannot do it, when the manga says so that they can, is still not enough to end this argument, when Bee's CC and Raiton skill is literally abysmal before Sasuke's?

And where does it say that Futon has superior cutting ability if the Raiton user can produce the effect Kisame talks about? Yeah, nowhere. The manga has shown it repeatedly that Raiton in cutting force is much suprior to Futon. So, that is all there is to it. Sasuke cut him, because Raiton is a far superior cutting tech.

you type that while Sasuke has 3 moves

- 1)Chidori, 2) Chidori spear, 3) Chidori spear and multiple spears manipulation that skewer the enemy, 4) Chidori blade with which he cut Madara in half, 5) Chidori Kusanagi, 6) Chidori senbon, 7) Chidori Nagashi 360, 8) Chidori Nahashi with a surge of current on the ground, 9) Kirin.

It's funny, because every single one of these techs' works differently. Every single one. Not to mention Sasuke's ability to focus his chakra on fewer fingers to make Chidori far deadlier. Something only him and Third Raikage can do.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

1)Chidori, 2) Chidori spear, 3) Chidori spear and multiple spears manipulation that skewer the enemy, 4) Chidori blade with which he cut Madara in half, 5) Chidori Kusanagi, 6) Chidori senbon, 7) Chidori Nagashi 360, 8) Chidori Nahashi with a surge of current on the ground, 9) Kirin.

so basically there are 50+ ways to do the same damn move

 

[shelke]

so basically there are 50+ ways to do the same damn move

Nope. Each mode has a different function. You know, they actually work differently and don't work on Bijuu charity work? But, you admitted that Naruto is a cheap, one trick pony ...

cause sasuke is a show off

so what if naruto is a 1 pony with a 1 dimensional moveset? he neggs 99% of the verse bar sasuke :bdpf:

... so, we're cool.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Nope. Each mode has a different function. You know, they actually work differently and don't work on Bijuu charity work? But, you admitted that Naruto is a cheap, one trick pony... so, we're cool.

it's a compliment to naruto...a guy who needs 1 move to equal sasuke in the verse :bdpf:

ps since you think using tailed beast power is uncommendable then sasuke should have gotten low diff'd at VoTE 2

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Exactly, so what's this about vibrations when Sasuke's much more adept at controlling Raiton than Bee is? Replace Bee with Sasuke and Kisame's statement still holds true. The cutting power of the technique depends on the chakra nature, the technique itself and the user.

The most I can agree to here is that Fuuton is slightly better than Lightning at cutting, but there aren't feats in the manga to support it, not to mention it not being clearly stated. Also, the fact that a Wind technique failed to cut someone that was later cut by Lightning speaks for itself. Not an inconsistency, just this massive misconseption that Wind >>> Lightning, when that's nowhere near true.



Alright, what I was saying since post #1 was that the Rasenshuriken's expansion nova was clearly fire damage, and it was what failed to cut Madara, not Wind. You are right that the ring around the core was Wind, but it was not the type of nature that expanded, as the expansion was clearly a fire shockwave, so that is irrelevant. You can argue that the wind was mixed in it later, but if mixing chakra natures goes normally in that case, then the fire engulfed it and mate itself stronger.

The last point is a no. That was a Rikudou Chidori Spear focused in a much smaller area and used with a lot more force than LRS. It makes way more sense for it to bisect Madara than a fire technique that's best feat is cutting something with mediocre at best durability.



:lol What are you even talking about? LRS doesn't have the needle effect, and even if it did, that's damage on a cellular level and not cutting in the normal sense.



Nope, it's not, and Thanos already agreed on it. Your scans are completely irrelevant, as you're basically showing me the tree absorbing chakra - you know, its purpose - and I stopped taking the post seriously when you compared the Shinjuu to Hashirama's Mokuton, which has proven to be completely different. Shinjuu =/= Hashirama's Mokuton, and don't try to argue otherwise.

Though I probably agree on the LRS having Wind part.

When I think about it you have point :


"Not an inconsistency, just this massive misconseption that Wind >>> Lightning, when that's nowhere near true."

Eventually it all depends on jutsu itself like for example Tobirama has Suiton that easily cut Shinju branches which is unlike other Suiton jutsus.

Same goes with Chidori and its variants (chidori Katana and sharp spear) they are focused which allows to pierce/cut unlike regular Raiton which only have electric chock like attack.