Madara couldve used preta but he used limbo instead and that missed and right after that naruto threw it so he didnt have time to absorb it and i think he couldnt absorb it cuzz when saw it he said "this is bad" and used limbo so maybe he couldnt use preta on that LRS
The sword has is more smaller, so it's slice was much more focused. Being that the Lava FRS was larger than Madara, the damage taken was more broad than focused, shredding his body rather than slicing it.
Wasn't Madara focusing his chakra on healing? I guess it would work the same way Kabuto saved himself against Naruto's rasengan the first time. If he focuses his chakra to the point of impact then he can soften the blow. With Madara's chakra I don't see why he couldn't stay in tact.
With Sasuke's situation, Madara was focusing chakra into Obito's sharingan to perform Kamui so Sasuke could easily cut him in half. ALSO!!! Bare in mind that Sasuke was moving extremely fast so Madara wouldn't be able to re focus his chakra anyway.
Not that it mattered, after absorbing the Shinju he practically became immortal.
Nagato used Preta to absorb killer bees chakra. No barrier is shown. Madara absorbed Narutos RS no barrier. Just 2 examples. The barrier itself is used in a fixed stance to absorb massive scale ninjutsu. Both Nagato and Madara were being thrown around.
PS being released causes a short term failure in preta and Deva has a 5 second cooldown. These are small but exploitable weaknesses in Rinnegan and are confirmed true. Madara was to weak to absorb and regenerate properly. Whereas when he was sliced by Sasuke he was at full strength.
He was already almost mortally wpunded by Gai earlier. He did tank the attack tho but if he was sliced by that Lava RS he would not have tecovered due to how weak he was.
Since when is that surprising? Lightning >>> Fire when it comes to cutting, LRS or not. And why are you talking like that tree's durability is sky high when its branches got sliced by attacks like Mifune's sword slash?
All this shows is that Madara's durability is better than the tree's, which would easily get cut by the same Chidori Spear that cut Madara if it were enlarged, so there's zero inconsistency here.
what you said is true but you forget that LRS still have wind inside it and if you remember wind is designed especially for cutting so in terms of cutting it should be wind > raiton .
This is perfect exemple of inconsistency.Madara should :
LRS doesn't have wind inside it. What? It's a magma core that's burst nova is also of fire type, not to mention its name - "Senpou: Yoton Rasenshuriken".
Mad Titan Thanos said:
and if you remember wind is designed especially for cutting so in terms of cutting it should be wind > raiton.
There is zero inconsistency. Lightning >>> Fire at cutting, as I've already said, and that LRS had zero of Wind style's penetrative force. All this shows is that: Chidori Spear's cutting power > Madara's durability > LRS's cutting power > Shinjuu's durability. None of this is surprising, seeing as how the Shinjuu was never really durable to begin with, nor was Fire Style ever even used in a cutting manner, so it bisecting Madara would've made little sense.
Kisame's comment implies Futon > Raiton naturally. Kisame merely implied his spatial manipulation was on a level that placed his Raiton higher than an Average Futon. This is further supported when Futon naturally slices through Kakashi's Chakra Paper whereas Raiton merely makes the paper crumble.
LRS doesn't have wind inside it. What? It's a magma core that's burst nova is also of fire type, not to mention its name - "Senpou: Yoton Rasenshuriken".
No, Lightning > Wind when it comes to cutting.
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There is zero inconsistency. Lightning >>> Fire at cutting, as I've already said, and that LRS had zero of Wind style's penetrative force. All this shows is that: Chidori Spear's cutting power > Madara's durability > LRS's cutting power > Shinjuu's durability. None of this is surprising, seeing as how the Shinjuu was never really durable to begin with, nor was Fire Style ever even used in a cutting manner, so it bisecting Madara would've made little sense.
Ok first to say I agree with you about Shinjuu durability. It was cut with Mifune sword so nothing special about it.
fact A)
Now if you re-read part about Naruto training you will see that Wind nature is designed especially for cutting.
Killer Bee feat is same feat Asuma has shown (because each attack pierced tree and stop at ground) :
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Also Kisame was praising Killer Bee skills he even said " This must be some vibrations " and also "if they able to increase penetrative force more than a futon."
What Kisame meant is that Killer Bee vibrations are so good that their penetrative power is above that of futon which normally should not be case.
Its clear strength of jutsu depends on user skill.
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Fact B)
Lava Rasenshuriken have wind.
What is FRS ? Its jutsu made from 2 parts : Rasengan + wind element
You see this picture, in middle is Rasengan while wind element is this shuriken around Rasengan.
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Now Lava Rasenhuriken instead of normal Rasengan it has Lava Rasengan. And Wind element is still there in that shuriken around Lava Rasengan.
You can also check its wikipedia page.
Every Rasenshuriken must have wind element while Rasengan in the middle can have other elements (Like Sand,water,lava,fire,steam,acid and so)
And the fact that Lava Rasenshuriken is in fact pure Senjutsu attack it should have more cutting force than Sasuke Raiton.
Since when is that surprising? Lightning >>> Fire when it comes to cutting, LRS or not. And why are you talking like that tree's durability is sky high when its branches got sliced by attacks like Mifune's sword slash?
All this shows is that Madara's durability is better than the tree's, which would easily get cut by the same Chidori Spear that cut Madara if it were enlarged, so there's zero inconsistency here.
It's lava and futon, correct? I swear Naruto's abilities are so gimmicky that it's hard to tell them apart. Anyhow, during that Kisame and Bee scuffle, we learned that a concentrated Raiton has far more cutting and penetrative power than Futon. Which means, a proficient Raiton user's Tech would be stronger than a Futon attack.
Kisame's comment implies Futon > Raiton naturally. Kisame merely implied his spatial manipulation was on a level that placed his Raiton higher than an Average Futon. This is further supported when Futon naturally slices through Kakashi's Chakra Paper whereas Raiton merely makes the paper crumble.
Also Kisame was praising Killer Bee skills he even said " This must be some vibrations " and also "if they able to increase penetrative force more than a futon."
What Kisame meant is that Killer Bee vibrations are so good that their penetrative power is above that of futon which normally should not be case.
Its clear strength of jutsu depends on user skill.
And the fact that Lava Rasenshuriken is in fact pure Senjutsu attack it should have more cutting force than Sasuke Raiton.
Vibrations depend upon what? More and precise vibrations would mean more concentration of chakra and more skill. Killer Bee's skill is nowhere near Sasuke's in Ration control. No where near it. If he can produce a measly tech with a pencil that can top a Futon tech, then it becomes a matter of fact that Sasuke's Raiton would have far more cutting power than Futon, as he has the chakra concentration backed by half of the Sage's and a control that matches his perfectly.
It's lava and futon, correct? I swear Naruto's abilities are so gimmicky that it's hard to tell them apart. Anyhow, during that Kisame and Bee scuffle, we learned that a concentrated Raiton has far more cutting and penetrative power than Futon. Which means, a proficient Raiton user's Tech would be stronger than a Futon attack.
It is. The majority of Naruto's techniques are called: xxx Rasenshuriken, even his BDRS, but the majority knows that it's an application of both a Bijuudama and Futon.
It is. The majority of Naruto's techniques are called: xxx Rasenshuriken, even his BDRS, but the majority knows that it's an application of both a Bijuudama and Futon.
Since when is that surprising? Lightning >>> Fire when it comes to cutting, LRS or not. And why are you talking like that tree's durability is sky high when its branches got sliced by attacks like Mifune's sword slash?
All this shows is that Madara's durability is better than the tree's, which would easily get cut by the same Chidori Spear that cut Madara if it were enlarged, so there's zero inconsistency here.
First off, I agree about the shinju tree's durability. So far from what we seen was just its branches being being pretty easy to cut with weapons, though in real life the durability of a twig, does not apply to the core tree it came from. Even when you involve mokuton, which is basically shinju variation, we saw a simple branch split Tsunade, kill Neji, and countless others. So comparing the core tree to Madara's who's durability feats arent all that great as a 1 eye juubi jin is a inconsistent comparison.
Second off, it can be resistent to chakra and ninjutsu. We've see this when it started grabbing random SA shinobi and drain them of thier chakra.
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Even when you compare it to a different variation, Mokuton, which has tanked bijuu-damas , and suppressed talied beast.
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So Naruto cutting the core tree in half, with ninjutsu really isn't ordinary, its extraordinary.
Also, that LRS had futon in it, as Titan said.
This is a normal RS
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This is the lava RS
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Now this is a sealing rasengan, with Ichibi chakra.
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This is a RS with Ichibi chakra, in the bottom right of the scan.
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Futon has as much affinity for cutting just as raition. That fact that the LRS had wind element and senjustu, and still didn't slice Madara is all the more vague and inconsistent writing.
Killer Bee feat is same feat Asuma has shown (because each attack pierced tree and stop at ground) :
Also Kisame was praising Killer Bee skills he even said " This must be some vibrations " and also "if they able to increase penetrative force more than a futon."
What Kisame meant is that Killer Bee vibrations are so good that their penetrative power is above that of futon which normally should not be case.
Its clear strength of jutsu depends on user skill.
Exactly, so what's this about vibrations when Sasuke's much more adept at controlling Raiton than Bee is? Replace Bee with Sasuke and Kisame's statement still holds true. The cutting power of the technique depends on the chakra nature, the technique itself and the user.
The most I can agree to here is that Fuuton is slightly better than Lightning at cutting, but there aren't feats in the manga to support it, not to mention it not being clearly stated. Also, the fact that a Wind technique failed to cut someone that was later cut by Lightning speaks for itself. Not an inconsistency, just this massive misconseption that Wind >>> Lightning, when that's nowhere near true.
Alright, what I was saying since post #1 was that the Rasenshuriken's expansion nova was clearly fire damage, and it was what failed to cut Madara, not Wind. You are right that the ring around the core was Wind, but it was not the type of nature that expanded, as the expansion was clearly a fire shockwave, so that is irrelevant. You can argue that the wind was mixed in it later, but if mixing chakra natures goes normally in that case, then the fire engulfed it and mate itself stronger.
The last point is a no. That was a Rikudou Chidori Spear focused in a much smaller area and used with a lot more force than LRS. It makes way more sense for it to bisect Madara than a fire technique that's best feat is cutting something with mediocre at best durability.
gerizzyYMcrew said:
lmaoooo what?...that rasenshuriken had wayyyy more cutting power (the power of 1000+ tiny needles)...it's PIS by kishimoto
:lol What are you even talking about? LRS doesn't have the needle effect, and even if it did, that's damage on a cellular level and not cutting in the normal sense.
Remedy said:
So Naruto cutting the core tree in half, with ninjutsu really isn't ordinary, its extraordinary.
Nope, it's not, and Thanos already agreed on it. Your scans are completely irrelevant, as you're basically showing me the tree absorbing chakra - you know, its purpose - and I stopped taking the post seriously when you compared the Shinjuu to Hashirama's Mokuton, which has proven to be completely different. Shinjuu =/= Hashirama's Mokuton, and don't try to argue otherwise.
Though I probably agree on the LRS having Wind part.
Those conditions highly depend on the user's spatial manipulation. As Kakashi has described, spatial manipulation determines the effectiveness of the attack or more specifically, the scope and power of the attack. Kisame was impressed at B's ability to manipulate Raiton as it surpassed the penetrative force of a Futon which is something that normally shouldn't be the case. We know this because of the properties each nature carry. Futon naturally pierces through Kakashi's Chakra Paper whereas Raiton causes it to crumble.
Of course, Raiton can surpass the penetrative force of a Futon depending on both user's efficiency, but Raiton and Futon used by users of the same skill level will result in the Futon having a higher penetrative force.
I forgot about Kirin