preta cant absorb kagebunshins? you have to tell my why

[Anorien16]

Orochimaru tested 20 people and only Yamato was able to control Hashirama's Mokuton. Just because you ahve his dna, doesn't mean you can use it to the same extent. I have already explained to you why they don't have Yang Release in their Mokuton unlike Hashirama.
The Dojutsu itself has Yin Release... what does that have to do with anything? Mokuton doesn't naturally have Yang Release... that is just unique to Hashirama.
I know everything there is to know about Yin and Yang release. Don't compare me to the other 95% of NarutoBase who don't know what they are talking about. I actually do my research before speaking so I know everything I say is legit. Anyone who knows me would probably agree. So you can trust me when I say I already know I am right... I have gone over this debate many times already. Anything you bring up I can counter.

First of all Orochimaru tested on 60 people not 20, and only Yamato's DNA was overwritten and thus got the ability to use mokuton. Yamato's bonding with Hashi powers was on a genetic level, while others were on a cellular grafting level. Plus you forget everyone has the power of yin and yang just dont know how to use it or when they use it. Also when some one will be using Mokuton he will be using Hashi's natural powers not his own, just like when Kakashi will use Kamui he will be using Obito's natural powers not his own.
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it will say that:"Wood Release techniques can be produced from anywhere, including the user's body, as the user's chakra is literally converted into a source of life."

BTW i agree that Hashi's mokuton should be more complete, as how can a mutaion or a few cultured cells have the full power of the original?

 

[francois347]

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Proof right here that rinn cant absorb every ninjitsu as shikas shadow is a ninjitsu attack

 

[Anorien16]

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Proof right here that rinn cant absorb every ninjitsu as shikas shadow is a ninjitsu attack

First of all Shika's shadow manipulation is not a living thing like mokuton or a shadow clone . . . . Plus i didnt see where the shika's shadow was absorbed in the page u mentioned.

 

[francois347]

First of all Shika's shadow manipulation is not a living thing like mokuton or a shadow clone . . . . Plus i didnt see where the shika's shadow was absorbed in the page u mentioned.

I said cant absorb. And i am simply trying to point out that the rinn cant absorb all ninjitsu attacks because it cant.
As for mokuton no he cant absorb it because he converts his chakra into life then controls it, meaning that its a life form not chakra

 

[Urda]

Hashirama chakra is different. It is life (or something like that). Madara stated, when using Kage Bunshin on Tsunade, claiming that he was unawhere of Hashirama's attack when he utilize Kage Bunshin's (or something similar). Madara has Sharingen which sees chakra. That means Hashirama doesn't infuse chakra or have chakra flow through them to utilize his Mokuton Techniques. (Manga link if possible, anyone? Thanks)

The rest is up to everyone else to debate.

 

[iSpeak]

First of all Orochimaru tested on 60 people not 20, and only Yamato's DNA was overwritten and thus got the ability to use mokuton. Yamato's bonding with Hashi powers was on a genetic level, while others were on a cellular grafting level. Plus you forget everyone has the power of yin and yang just dont know how to use it or when they use it. Also when some one will be using Mokuton he will be using Hashi's natural powers not his own, just like when Kakashi will use Kamui he will be using Obito's natural powers not his own.
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it will say that:"Wood Release techniques can be produced from anywhere, including the user's body, as the user's chakra is literally converted into a source of life."

BTW i agree that Hashi's mokuton should be more complete, as how can a mutaion or a few cultured cells have the full power of the original?

Look. Yamato's Mokuton doesn't have Yang in it. This is what happens when his Mokuton reacts with Yang.

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When Zetsu (who is also made from Hashirama's dna) encountered Naruto's Yang cloak, it also began to grow and turn into trees.
Just because you have something implanted, doesn't make you as good as the original. That is like saying Sasuke is now an expert with Tsukuyomi just because he had Itachi's eyes implanted. They are able to use Mokuton, but they are unable to add vitality to it. Only Hashirama and Edo Madara can do that. Danzo might be able to a little aswell.

Don't get information from NarutoWiki... it just makes you look like a noob. What they said is BS and has never been stated in the Manga or Databooks. Adding Yang doesn't do anything to their chakra. The 9 tailed beasts were split from the 10 tails chakra using Yin Release, and gave life to them using Yang Release (creation of all things). But the 9 tailed beasts are still chakra, which is why Minato said he sealed half of the chakra in the Death god and the other half inside Naruto. It is also why the Kyuubi shrank when Minato sealed half of his chakra... because he is chakra.

 

[Anorien16]

I said cant absorb. And i am simply trying to point out that the rinn cant absorb all ninjitsu attacks because it cant.
As for mokuton no he cant absorb it because he converts his chakra into life then controls it, meaning that its a life form not chakra

Missed out the 't' sorry . . . . But its not proof enough as I didnt see Tobi using Preta Path.

Look. Yamato's Mokuton doesn't have Yang in it. This is what happens when his Mokuton reacts with Yang.

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When Zetsu (who is also made from Hashirama's dna) encountered Naruto's Yang cloak, it also began to grow and turn into trees.
Just because you have something implanted, doesn't make you as good as the original. That is like saying Sasuke is now an expert with Tsukuyomi just because he had Itachi's eyes implanted. They are able to use Mokuton, but they are unable to add vitality to it. Only Hashirama and Edo Madara can do that.

Don't get information from NarutoWiki... it just makes you look like a noob. Adding Yang doesn't do anything to their chakra. The 9 tailed beasts were split from the 10 tails chakra using Yin Release, and gave life to them using Yang Release. But the 9 tailed beasts are still chakra, which is why Minato said he sealed half of the chakra in the Death god and the other half inside Naruto. It is also why the Kyuubi shrank when Minato sealed half of his chakra... because he is chakra.

Hmm ........... first of all how does Getting info from Naruto wikia makes u look like a noob? Its much less biased analysis as they check for reference for all the info they put up and have rollbackers who checks the soruce and roll back if the edit was wrong.
Plus the page says even my mokuton is affacted. It in no where proves with certainity that it didnt have life and thus yang in it. His mokuton just grew leaves, probably bcos of absorbing the life force that was emanating naruto's body. If its was about leaves:
1. Danzo's trees have leaves and so are living:

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2. Madara's mokuton actually had flowers.
3. Zetsu is actually made from hashi cells using plants as a base, so if it absorbed yang chakra coming out of naruto's body it is natural for it to 'grow'.

 

[iEspada]

without getting offence but are you retarded?

Manga > databooks because the databook facts are only facts until proven otherwise. madara said physical techs are woring on him, is mokuton physical? kagebunshins are ninjutsu but can attack preta-path, tobi couldnt absorb shikamarus shadow technique, nagato was hit by kllerbee before he absorbed his chakra cloak and in amount a human sized cloak cant be compared to a forest. it was already shown in the manga where preta is useless and or not and flori explained what databook facts tell us.

so stop talking bullshit fanboys, get the fu*k out.

 

[FloriGlori]

Ok, show me in the databooks where it says Mokuton isn't chakra. Ill wait.
Don't act like you know what you are talking about because it has never been stated that Mokuton isn't chakra. What that Flori guy said is false and I have already explained why.

Sha no Sho pages 305 - 309 describe Mokuton and its various shown techniques.

Anyway, by saying that I was wrong you directly contradicted the databook, which already shows me that you have no clue what you're talking about, yet cannot stand being wrong. You can explain as much as you want, but that's not making it right. In fact, you're explaining against the databook. Your attempt failed.

 

[iSpeak]

Missed out the 't' sorry . . . . But its not proof enough as I didnt see Tobi using Preta Path.



Hmm ........... first of all how does Getting info from Naruto wikia makes u look like a noob? Its much less biased analysis as they check for reference for all the info they put up and have rollbackers who checks the soruce and roll back if the edit was wrong.
Plus the page says even my mokuton is affacted. It in no where proves with certainity that it didnt have life and thus yang in it. His mokuton just grew leaves, probably bcos of absorbing the life force that was emanating naruto's body. If its was about leaves:
1. Danzo's trees have leaves and so are living:

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2. Madara's mokuton actually had flowers.
3. Zetsu is actually made from hashi cells using plants as a base, so if it absorbed yang chakra coming out of naruto's body it is natural for it to 'grow'.

Because NarutoWiki are made by fans like you and me sometimes make things up and have been wrong many times before... the Databooks and Manga are the most preferred reference sources. Not everything they say is refferenced, such as the quote you got from there saying their chakra is converted into life force.
Yamato cant do that himself. His is just dead wood as you can tell.
I already said Madara is able to do it. And looking back, Danzo is actually able to do it aswell. But do you know what these two have in common? Both of them have Hashirama's face on their body. Tobi even says that Orochimaru augmented Danzo's Physical energy (which is his Yang energy), which explains why him and Madara are able to do it whilst Zetsu and Yamato cannot.

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I have already explained why adding Yang has nothing to do with their chakra.

 

[Strict]

Sha no Sho pages 305 - 309 describe Mokuton and its various shown techniques.

Anyway, by saying that I was wrong you directly contradicted the databook, which already shows me that you have no clue what you're talking about, yet cannot stand being wrong. You can explain as much as you want, but that's not making it right. In fact, you're explaining against the databook. Your attempt failed.

Thank you my dear, I really love to see people failing who insist on their opinion so hard.

 

[iSpeak]

Sha no Sho pages 305 - 309 describe Mokuton and its various shown techniques.

Anyway, by saying that I was wrong you directly contradicted the databook, which already shows me that you have no clue what you're talking about, yet cannot stand being wrong. You can explain as much as you want, but that's not making it right. In fact, you're explaining against the databook. Your attempt failed.

The Databooks don't say that Mokuton is not chakra. If you disagree, then show me. Stop talking BS to try and make yourself look right.
What you are saying is like saying the tailed beasts are not chakra either... what kind of BS are you talking? I have already countered everything you had to say but you couldn't reply back.
Know what you are talking about before saying I fail...

 

[Strict]

The Databooks don't say that Mokuton is not chakra. If you disagree, then show me. Stop talking BS to make yourself look right.
What you are saying is like saying the tailed beasts are not chakra either... what kind of BS are you talking? I have already countered everything you had to say but you couldn't reply back.

Look who is getting offence because his fairy story does proof nothing. The trees does not have Chakra, Hashirama controls them right from their source of life in the ground, not by giving the single tendrils Chakra. This would be kinda costly to feed each tendril with Chakra he want to control.

The Mokuton creates real trees, also Hashirama does not control the trees by giving his Chakra next to each tree. You failed so hard.

 

[iSpeak]

Look who is getting offence because his fairy story does proof nothing. The trees does not have Chakra, Hashirama controls them right from their source of life in the ground, not by giving the single tendrils Chakra. This would be kinda costly to feed each tendril with Chakra he want to control.

The Mokuton creates real trees, also Hashirama does not control the trees by giving his Chakra next to each tree. You failed so hard.

You are just too ignorant. So are you saying the tailed beasts are not chakra either? They were brought to life through Yang Release just like Hashirama's Mokuton was.
You need to rereaed the Manga from chapter 1 because obviously you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I already said that Nagato can absorb the Chakra out from the Mokuton too, but in an actual fight it is not feasible and this is what counts .

See, you are just a hypocrite and a band wagoner. You keep changing your argument which shows you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[Strict]

You are just too ignorant. So are you saying the tailed beasts are not chakra either? They were brought to life through Yang Release just like Hashirama's Mokuton was.
You need to rereaed the Manga from chapter 1 because obviously you don't have a clue what you are talking about.



See, you are just a hypocrite and a band wagoner. You keep changing your argument which shows you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

The Rikudo Sennin gave birth to the Bijus, the Biju are not only materialized Chakra but possesses a body as well, so what is your point? That the Bijus can be absorbed?

Yeah this counted for if the trees were controlled by chakra in themselves, since my first statement was afterwards supported by the databook, we can put this part away.

 

[iSpeak]

The Rikudo Sennin gave birth to the Bijus, the Biju are not only materialized Chakra but possesses a body as well, so what is your point? That the Bijus can be absorbed?

Yeah this counted for if the trees were controlled by chakra in themselves, since my first statement was afterwards supported by the databook, we can put this part away.

The Sage used Creation of all things, a Yin-Yang Jutsu to create the Bijuu. He split the 10 tails chakra using the Yin Release and then gave life to the Tailed Beasts using the Yang Release.
It is exactly the same as what Hashirama is doing. But evidently the Tailed beasts are still chakra.
Hashirama is using his Yang Release Chakra to become the root of the plants life force. The chakra of the Mokuton is not changing at all... the Mokuton is still made from chakra.

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It is exactly the same thing the Sage did with the 9 Tailed Beasts.
You havn't brought any proof to the table, just your false opinions.
Nothing you said is supported by the databooks... you cant even show me the databook page which says that. Like I said, stop making things up.

 

[Anorien16]

Because NarutoWiki are made by fans like you and me sometimes make things up and have been wrong many times before... the Databooks and Manga are the most preferred reference sources. Not everything they say is refferenced, such as the quote you got from there saying their chakra is converted into life force.
Yamato cant do that himself. His is just dead wood as you can tell.
I already said Madara is able to do it. And looking back, Danzo is actually able to do it aswell. But do you know what these two have in common? Both of them have Hashirama's face on their body. Tobi even says that Orochimaru augmented Danzo's Physical energy (which is his Yang energy), which explains why him and Madara are able to do it whilst Zetsu and Yamato cannot.

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I have already explained why adding Yang has nothing to do with their chakra.

Well then this is better analysis, and mostly indisputeable. Plus ur a lil bit wrong as the chakra used as a life force was told in the Databook, go check youself. But why wld we talk about a incomplete version of Mokuton? The real version is alive and have life force (like the clone) and thus can not be absorbed.

Plus u misunderstand much than u grasp what Strict is saying: Preta can absorb chakra from a person through physical contact but can not absorb the corporal body and just like that Preta path can absorb chakra from the Mokuton trees (As its a living thing like a person) with contact but cant absorb the material body itself.

 

[iSpeak]

Well then this is better analysis, and mostly indisputeable. Plus ur a lil bit wrong as the chakra used as a life force was told in the Databook, go check youself. But why wld we talk about a incomplete version of Mokuton? The real version is alive and life force.

I have checked the Databooks and it is not written in their at all. If you disagree, then show me. You have all been saying this but none of you can bring it. Why? Because it is a lie. There is no point saying it is in the databooks if you can't even show it to me.
I have already explained that even Hashirama's Mokuton would be able to be absorbed.

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

Preta has never absorbed anything physical. And now Nagato is probably gone for good, so without the manga actually showing Preta doing this, it is a unfounded argument that cannot be proved either way. It's all speculation and just because people may have good evidence that Preta may or may not be able to do so, it will always be opinion and never fact.

 

[iSpeak]

Preta has never absorbed anything physical. And now Nagato is probably gone for good, so without the manga actually showing Preta doing this, it is a unfounded argument that cannot be proved either way. It's all speculation and just because people may have good evidence that Preta may or may not be able to do so, it will always be opinion and never fact.

Preta path absorbed oil.

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Oil is physical. Fact.