Preliminary CE Lee VS Preliminary CE Neji

[neosmith500]

Nope. The speed was the entire reason that that technique was successful. Take away the speed and nothing happens.

Canon disagrees since without the Wall Naruto running towards him would've been irrelevant and Neji wouldn't have been surprised without the Wall.

Lmao, based off what? You have absolutely no feats suggesting Neji is capable of matching or even keeping up with Lee's speed. The whole point here is, again, the one you completely neglected to address. Naruto's speed alone almost caught Neji without his Rotation being completed. What feats do you have suggesting that Neji would suddenly be able to perceive and counter speeds that make KN0 Naruto look like a cripple? Post them here.

The reason for the bold has already been addressed too many times , Lee goes Gates and Neji preps Chakra Cocoon at full power then times Kaiten when he knows that Lee is about to kick Off Ura Renge which involves gunning towards him at a insane speed which will end up being Lee's downfall.

-He simply needs to prep Chakra beforehand unlike he did with Naruto , then spin in correlation to Lee opening the 3rd Gate and getting ready to blast off as he did against Gaara.

@Ital I didn't give any calculations, I supplied you with an accurate description of what the Manga depicted.

3rd Gate, is approximately 10,576 X faster than Naruto in KN0..

Those are ur words dumbass ***** , guess u didn't notice since it came outa ur ASS , figures.

@Bold Again, based off what? Post scans of Neji's speed feats suggesting that he can even remotely keep up with a Gated Lee.

Already gave u the reasons above.

Seriously, get your head out of your ass and start forming arguments around the points that I'm making. Ignoring everything I state and then saying, "Neji can keep up with Lee no probs" isn't an argument. We use feats and manga scans here. Support your argument or GTFO.

This clown , calm down ur points are shit.

 

[Booker]

Canon disagrees since without the Wall Naruto running towards him would've been irrelevant and Neji wouldn't have been surprised without the Wall.

Canon entirely agrees. Why don't you describe what would have happened if Naruto didn't have his speed? Because I fully acknowledge that without the chakra wall Naruto would have been smoked.

The reason for the bold has already been addressed too many times , Lee goes Gates and Neji preps Chakra Cocoon at full power then times Kaiten when he know's Lee is about to kick Off Ura Renge which involves gunning towards him at a insane speed which will end up being Lee's downfall.

Great. Now give me some scans suggesting he's able to do that and even anticipate Lee. I'll wait.

-He simply needs to prep Chakra beforehand unlike he did with Naruto , then spin in correlation to Lee opening the 3rd Gate and getting ready to blast off as he did against Gaara.

Oops, you still haven't given me any scans suggesting he's able to keep of with or even address that speed. I'll wait.

Those are ur words dumbass ***** , guess u didn't notice since it came outa ur ASS , figures.

It's not my fault that you're too stupid to understand sarcasm when you see it. It was a joke to exemplify the fact that Lee severely outclasses Naruto in terms of speed. Obviously I don't have exact calculations or formulas to determine the speed of some manga characters between panels, you dolt.

Work on your reading comprehension and get back to me.

This clown , calm down ur points are shit.

And yet you've provided jack-shit for your argument. I'm waiting on those scans and feats to support your position. Until then, you may as well be writing fan fiction.

 

[BLAZE]

If lee with less than 3 gates can do boderline of teleportation he will be whooping ass of a good load of kage tier chars in 5th gate :lol

 

[Booker]

If lee with less than 3 gates can do boderline of teleportation he will be whooping ass of a good load of kage tier chars in 5th gate :lol

Sorry, do you have brain damage?

Obviously the argument isn't that Lee is literally on the brink of teleportation. I'm describing what the panels display;

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If I had thought people would be stupid enough to actually believe I'm arguing that Lee is rivaling FTG with gates as a GENIN, I never would have used hyperbole without clarifying.

I obviously have to lower my standards for all of your reading comprehension skills here.

 

[neosmith500]

Canon entirely agrees. Why don't you describe what would have happened if Naruto didn't have his speed? Because I fully acknowledge that without the chakra wall Naruto would have been smoked.
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Why would i address that when i already acknowledged Naruto's speed? Im trying to let u understand that if Neji had known Naruto had that ability then he would've already prepped the first stage of Kaiten the moment he saw him coming and wouldn't have been caught of guard to which he would've started Kaiten more efficiently.

Great. Now give me some scans suggesting he's able to do that and even anticipate Lee. I'll wait.
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Anticipate lee? All he needs to do is watch his network via Byakugan , prep a large amount of chakra for the first stage of Kaiten while Lee's preppin Gates , then time his spin the moment he see's that Lee is about to blast off after seeing him open the 4th.

Also if Kisi's portrayal is anything to go by , Neji prepping a Massive amount of Chakra contineously in a cacoon with intent of tanking Lee should be a sufficient defense similar to Gaara's thin layer sand armor since Tenten was describing Neji's ability to Block physical attacks in this comparison between Gaara's defense which can likewise be a double layered comparison between the two defenses as a whole meaning the first stage of kaiten can be comparable to the second layer of Gaara's defense.

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It's not my fault that you're too stupid to understand sarcasm when you see it. It was a joke to exemplify the fact that Lee severely outclasses Naruto in terms of speed. Obviously I don't have exact calculations or formulas to determine the speed of some manga characters between panels, you dolt.

Work on your reading comprehension and get back to me.

And yet you've provided jack-shit for your argument. I'm waiting on those scans and feats to support your position. Until then, you may as well be writing fan fiction.

But yep u have no way of Gauging a accurate speed difference which makes it baseless which is why i noted to u that i wasn't arguing it in the first place.

 

[BLAZE]

Sorry, do you have brain damage?

:lol this guy

Obviously the argument isn't that Lee is literally on the brink of teleportation. I'm describing what the panels display;

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The Lee with same speed as 2 Tomoe chunin exam sasuke wow

You know what Neji murks that sasuke :lol

If I had thought people would be stupid enough to actually believe I'm arguing that Lee is rivaling FTG with gates as a GENIN, I never would have used hyperbole without clarifying.
I obviously have to lower my standards for all of your reading comprehension skills here.

3rd Gate, is approximately 10,576 X faster than Naruto in KN0

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[Booker]

Why would i address that when i already acknowledged Naruto's speed? Im trying to let u understand that if Neji had known Naruto had that ability then he would've already prepped the first stage of Kaiten the moment he saw him coming and wouldn't have been caught of guard to which he would've started Kaiten more efficiently.

The problem is that this assumes that Neji has the ability to prep it faster to address the situation, when it's blatantly obvious that despite Naruto running in a straight line towards him, he didn't have it prepped when Naruto arrived. It doesn't matter if Naruto caught him offguard with a chakra wall or speed, the point is that it makes no sense for Neji to wait until the absolute last second to build up Rotation chakra.

Anticipate lee? All he needs to do is watch his network via Byakugan , prep a large amount of chakra for the first stage of Kaiten while Lee's preppin Gates , then time his spin the moment he see's that Lee is about to blast off after seeing him open the 4th.

Again, this is just assuming that Neji has the ability to react to Lee with rotation, which you've provided a grand total of zero scans for, despite me asking several times. Stop ignoring this.

Also if Kisi's portrayal is anything to go by , Neji prepping a Massive amount of Chakra contineously in a cacoon with intent of tanking Lee should be a sufficient defense similar to Gaara's sand armor since Tenten was describing Neji's ability to Block physical attacks in this comparison between Gaara's defense which can likewise be a double layered comparison between the two defenses.

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What this statement means is that once activated, Rotation blocks all damage from all angles simultaneously. Which is what makes it superior to Gaara's UD. The problem is that nothing here suggests that Neji will be able to activate it in time to counter Lee. He can prep all the chakra he wants, if you can't give me some speed feats for Neji activating that Rotation he prepped in time for Lee this argument is pointless.

But yep u have no way of Gauging a accurate speed difference which makes it baseless which is why i noted to u that i wasn't arguing it in the first place.

Of course there's no exact measure to gauge them, we're talking about static drawings on paper. What we go by is how speed is depicted in those panels. An unweighted Lee's speed was depicted as being FAR faster than Naruto's KN0 form. Once we take into account the Gates it's a complete blowout. I really hope you aren't arguing that KN0 Naruto at the Chuunin exams can match Lee in raw combat speed.

:lol this guy

The Lee with same speed as 2 Tomoe chunin exam sasuke wow

You know what Neji murks that sasuke :lol

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You just said a whole lot of nothing. It's just fluff. What does 2-Tomoe Sasuke having the same speed as Lee have anything to do with what I said about Lee's depiction in those panels?

You should just leave this thread. You have no business in the VS section if you're incapable of reading and understanding basic statements. All you keep doing is quoting my hyperbole joke that anybody with half a brain would have understood is not a serious statement, and is not even remotely an argument.

You're embarrassing yourself. Please leave.

 

[BLAZE]

You just said a whole lot of nothing. It's just fluff. What does 2-Tomoe Sasuke having the same speed as Lee have anything to do with what I said about Lee's depiction in those panels?

:lol okay

You should just leave this thread. You have no business in the VS section if you're incapable of reading and understanding basic statements. All you keep doing is quoting my hyperbole joke that anybody with half a brain would have understood is not a serious statement, and is not even remotely an argument.

You're embarrassing yourself. Please leave.

No problem u can keep believing 3 gated lee is at least 100 times faster than k0 naruto

 

[neosmith500]

The problem is that this assumes that Neji has the ability to prep it faster to address the situation, when it's blatantly obvious that despite Naruto running in a straight line towards him, he didn't have it prepped when Naruto arrived. It doesn't matter if Naruto caught him offguard with a chakra wall or speed, the point is that it makes no sense for Neji to wait until the absolute last second to build up Rotation chakra.

And the answer for the Bold has been given , Prepping Chakra beforehand means Neji can kick start his rotation sooner , Neji decided to use rotation in response to the new situation involving Naruto's Wall unknowingly coming at him which means he didn't prep rotation until last minute which is why he said Oh no! in response to seeing the Wall.

Again, this is just assuming that Neji has the ability to react to Lee with rotation, which you've provided a grand total of zero scans for, despite me asking several times. Stop ignoring this.

He'll react in response to Lee opening the Gates , the moment the 4th is open he spins.

What this statement means is that once activated, Rotation blocks all damage from all angles simultaneously. Which is what makes it superior to Gaara's UD. The problem is that nothing here suggests that Neji will be able to activate it in time to counter Lee. He can prep all the chakra he wants, if you can't give me some speed feats for Neji activating that Rotation he prepped in time for Lee this argument is pointless.

My point was in regards to Neji tanking Lee's hit by expelling all his chakra into a cocoon similar to Gaara tanking via Sand armor and decreasing the impact via his sand gourd which Neji can replicate with Chakra. The scan i presented was referring to Neji's Chakra cocoon , basically his ability to emit Chakra alone without the spin , this is wat was compared to Gaara's defense which at that point was sand shield and sand armor , if its isn;t stronger than the sand shield then ntn suggesst that it wouldn't be stronger than the Thin Armor which tanked Lee's hits especially if he emits extra power specifically to tank.

Of course there's no exact measure to gauge them, we're talking about static drawings on paper. What we go by is how speed is depicted in those panels. An unweighted Lee's speed was depicted as being FAR faster than Naruto's KN0 form. Once we take into account the Gates it's a complete blowout. I really hope you aren't arguing that KN0 Naruto at the Chuunin exams can match Lee in raw combat speed.

Using this logic Haku was depicted faster than the whole lot of them easily. Nobody is arguing anything and are u referring to Gated Lee compared to KN0 or unweighted?

 

[KIDD WAVE]

Is this even a debate anymore, lol.

 

[Booker]

:lol okayNo problem u can keep believing 3 gated lee is at least 100 times faster than k0 naruto

Wow, it's a good thing I don't believe that. Thanks for admitting I'm right.

And the answer for the Bold has been given , Prepping Chakra beforehand means Neji can kick start his rotation sooner , Neji decided to use rotation in response to the new situation involving Naruto's Wall unknowingly coming at him which means he didn't prep rotation until last minute which is why he said Oh no! in response to seeing the Wall.

Alright, that makes sense.

He'll react in response to Lee opening the Gates , the moment the 4th is open he spins.

And Lee just waits until Neji stops rotating, which is all of like 2 seconds? Lol, I'm not sure what your point is here. First of all, this isn't a speed feat for Neji, so you're still assuming that he can put up the Rotation to block any attack from Lee. And secondly, assuming he does get it up by predicting the attack as Lee activates a Gate, Lee has ACTUAL speed feats suggesting that he could just read the situation and wait out Rotation.

My point was in regards to Neji tanking Lee's hit by expelling all his chakra into a cocoon similar to Gaara tanking via Sand armor and decreasing the impact via his sand gourd which Neji can replicate with Chakra. The scan i presented was referring to Neji's Chakra cocoon , basically his ability to emit Chakra alone without the spin as she said blocked , this is wat was compared to Gaara's defense which at that point was sand shield and sand armor , if its isn;t stronger than the sand shield then ntn suggesst that it wouldn't be stronger than the Thin Armor which tanked Lee's hits especially if he emits extra power specifically to tank.

What absolute nonsense, you didn't understand the text whatsoever. She is referring to Neji's Rotation, not his "chakra cocoon" (which is just something that you made up and has no feats). The Rotation is the defense that rivals Gaara's absolute defense. I don't know how much more obvious the manga has to be in showing this, straight up from the Rotation crater when TenTen is making these statements. Neji isn't tanking any attack from Lee via a "chakra cocoon".

Using this logic Haku was depicted faster than the whole lot of them easily. Nobody is arguing anything and are u referring to Gated Lee compared to KN0 or unweighted?

Yes, and if you were trying to argue that Haku's speed during that time was based on the idea that he was faster than the rest of them, you would be correct. Which is why we see numerous depictions of how fast Haku is moving, such as the still panels.

@Bold Both.

 

[neosmith500]

Alright, that makes sense.





And Lee just waits until Neji stops rotating, which is all of like 2 seconds? Lol, I'm not sure what your point is here. First of all, this isn't a speed feat for Neji, so you're still assuming that he can put up the Rotation to block any attack from Lee. And secondly, assuming he does get it up by predicting the attack as Lee activates a Gate, Lee has ACTUAL speed feats suggesting that he could just read the situation and wait out Rotation.

Then Neji can simply slow down his spin while releasing more chakra constantly in preparation for the blitz.

What absolute nonsense, you didn't understand the text whatsoever. She is referring to Neji's Rotation, not his "chakra cocoon" (which is just something that you made up and has no feats). The Rotation is the defense that rivals Gaara's absolute defense. I don't know how much more obvious the manga has to be in showing this, straight up from the Rotation crater when TenTen is making these statements. Neji isn't tanking any attack from Lee via a "chakra cocoon".

Refer to the upper left panel of the scan , scan before was her comparing Jonin's ability to channel chakra through their fingers.

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The emitted power alone from simply releasing the chakra is enough to block attacks to which the defense was then compared to Gaara's defense in power.

-I already agreed that the statement was a double layered comparison but just as sand armor is layered into the comparison as a part of Gaara's absolute defense , the Chakra cocoon can be compared to the thin armor.

The Chakra can also be expanded without spinning to reduce impact of Lees hits.

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Yes, and if you were trying to argue that Haku's speed during that time was based on the idea that he was faster than the rest of them, you would be correct. Which is why we see numerous depictions of how fast Haku is moving, such as the still panels.

@Bold Both.

Only its obvious that Haku isn't anywhere near any of the mentioned speedsters.

 

[Booker]

Then Neji can simply slow down his spin while releasing more chakra constantly in preparation for the blitz.

What? Proof he can do this, or that it would even be effective?

Refer to the upper left panel of the scan , scan before was her comparing Jonin's ability to channel chakra through their fingers.

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The emitted power alone from simply releasing the chakra is enough to block attacks to which the defense was then compared to Gaara's defense in power.

-I already agreed that the statement was a double layered comparison but just as sand armor is layered into the comparison as a part of Gaara's absolute defense , the Chakra cocoon can be compared to the thin armor.

The Chakra can also be expanded without spinning to reduce impact of Lees hits.

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What are you even talking about? Everything there in both of those scans was talking about/a product of Rotation. You can even see the Rotation crater. I have no idea where you're getting this "Chakra Cocoon" technique for Neji that is different from Rotation. TenTen is stating that the Rotation is an absolute defense even more perfect than Gaara's. You literally made up all of this chakra cocoon nonsense in your own head.

Only its obvious that Haku isn't anywhere near any of the mentioned speedsters.

Right, not currently. I'm talking about at that time, his feats clearly displayed that he was in another class of speed. Just as Lee's feats and depictions on panel one-upped Haku and set the new standard for speed. We also know this because Sasuke's 2-tomoe could marginally track Haku, but was completely blitzed by Lee.

 

[Ambivalence]

And Lee just waits until Neji stops rotating, which is all of like 2 seconds? Lol, I'm not sure what your point is here. First of all, this isn't a speed feat for Neji, so you're still assuming that he can put up the Rotation to block any attack from Lee. And secondly, assuming he does get it up by predicting the attack as Lee activates a Gate, Lee has ACTUAL speed feats suggesting that he could just read the situation and wait out Rotation.

Lol, this part was pretty good.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then Neji can simply slow down his spin while releasing more chakra constantly in preparation for the blitz.

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Let me add on to what Booker said above when it comes to rotation argument. Your argument has Neji:

-Seeing Lee enter the 4th.
-Then he starts spinning.

So why would Lee attack while he's spinning? :lol. Slowing down his spinning rate to increase the length of his rotation not only weakens it, but the fact remains that Lee has no reason to attack him while he's still spinning. So unless this dude is gonna spin for all of eternity this plan doesn't work.

 

[neosmith500]

What? Proof he can do this, or that it would even be effective?

The fact that even a single initial spin is enough to kick start its repelling effect.

What are you even talking about? Everything there in both of those scans was talking about/a product of Rotation.

The upper right is directly referring to the emitted power of Neji expelling a Large amount of Chakra , Tenten says this exact thing in the upper left which is followed by the comparison.

-Its supported by the DB and Mnga that the cocoon is wat catches/stops and hatls the attack while Kaiten repels it.

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Tenten pretty much says it here in the upper right panel.

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So why cant it be asumed that expelling a larger with the intent to tank wont be able to hold up as well as Gaara's thin sand armor?


You can even see the Rotation crater.

Chakra cocoon can be expanded without spinning which leaves no craters .

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I have no idea where you're getting this "Chakra Cocoon" technique for Neji that is different from Rotation. TenTen is stating that the Rotation is an absolute defense even more perfect than Gaara's. You literally made up all of this chakra cocoon nonsense in your own head.

No body is making up anything referring to the fist stage of Kaiten which does all the blocking.

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Right, not currently. I'm talking about at that time, his feats clearly displayed that he was in another class of speed. Just as Lee's feats and depictions on panel one-upped Haku and set the new standard for speed. We also know this because Sasuke's 2-tomoe could marginally track Haku, but was completely blitzed by Lee.

His feats are literally better than the likes of Kakshi yet its clear that he isn't anywhere close to that level of speed , his speed is also better than unweighted lees speed along with KN0 from that same fight + a whole lotta characters from the manga who we know are faster.

 

[Booker]

The fact that even a single initial spin is enough to kick start its repelling effect.

What kind of repelling effect? Again, if you're going to claim this, I'm going to need scans showing that (1) He is capable of slowing Rotation (2) It is still effective as a defense when he does.

Not that it matters, it's not like Neji can maintain that for any major length of time. As soon as it falls he gets obliterated.

The upper right is directly referring to the emitted power of Neji expelling a Large amount of Chakra , Tenten says this exact thing in the upper left which is followed by the comparison.

-Its supported by the DB and Mnga that the cocoon is wat catches/stops and hatls the attack while Kaiten repels it.

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Tenten pretty much says it here in the upper right panel.

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So why cant it be asumed that expelling a larger with the intent to tank wont be able to hold up as well as Gaara's thin sand armor?


You can even see the Rotation crater.

Chakra cocoon can be expanded without spinning which leaves no craters .

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I have no idea where you're getting this "Chakra Cocoon" technique for Neji that is different from Rotation. TenTen is stating that the Rotation is an absolute defense even more perfect than Gaara's. You literally made up all of this chakra cocoon nonsense in your own head.

No body is making up anything referring to the fist stage of Kaiten which does all the blocking.

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The point here is that what you're saying is actually rotation. This chakra cocoon nonsense is featless and has tanked nothing, since it's always followed up by the actual Rotation technique. If "Chakra Cocoon" was the absolute defense that TenTen was referring to, then there would be no need whatsoever for the Rotation. You cannot use this as some sort of new technique or feat for tanking anything from Lee, since it is entirely featless and presumably garbage without Rotation.

And that doesn't change the scans whatsoever. They are still practicing the Rotation technique, hence the perfect circle around all attacks and the crater left from the Rotation. Your claim doesn't even make sense in context. Why would Neji be practicing this "chakra cocoon" garbage instead of his entirely new Rotation technique, right before the match in which he only uses Rotation? Lol

His feats are literally better than the likes of Kakshi yet its clear that he isn't anywhere close to that level of speed , his speed is also better than unweighted lees speed along with KN0 from that same fight + a whole lotta characters from the manga who we know are faster.

I don't think you're understanding my position.

Yes, Kakashi is faster than pretty much every Part 1 child. We know this because of the context of the story. My point is that Haku's on-panel depictions of speed were clearly shown in an attempt to display him as having an immense amount of speed, establishing him as being faster than the characters at the time.

Then Lee comes along and puts those feats to rest with his clear depictions of immense speed that outclasses the rest of the characters that we know.

It's difficult to directly compare the speed of two characters in any manga of comic book without exact statements, so we have to operate on (1) Context (2) On-panel depictions (3) Common sense.

I don't think any of those 3 things support KN0 Naruto being close to Gated Lee. At best one could argue he's on par with no-weights Lee.

 

[neosmith500]

What kind of repelling effect? Again, if you're going to claim this, I'm going to need scans showing that (1) He is capable of slowing Rotation (2) It is still effective as a defense when he does.

He slows his rotation here..

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He'd still have bought some time to which he'll continue emitting large amounts of Chakra in preparation.

Not that it matters, it's not like Neji can maintain that for any major length of time. As soon as it falls he gets obliterated.

He'll be doing it constantly in which the question will be if he has enough chakra to keep pushing outward and if the expended energy can soften the blows enough to be sufficient in keeping a stable defense.

The point here is that what you're saying is actually rotation. This chakra cocoon nonsense is featless and has tanked nothing, since it's always followed up by the actual Rotation technique. If "Chakra Cocoon" was the absolute defense that TenTen was referring to, then there would be no need whatsoever for the Rotation. You cannot use this as some sort of new technique or feat for tanking anything from Lee, since it is entirely featless and presumably garbage without Rotation.

A very thin layer of the cocoon tanked two punches from two Naruto's each from different sides , a much larger amount focused on tanking heavier hits would stem better results..

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The absolute defense of Both Neji and Gaara are two layered defenses with Gaara having his sand shield along with his Sand armor , the same applies to Rotation and its first stage.

And that doesn't change the scans whatsoever. They are still practicing the Rotation technique, hence the perfect circle around all attacks and the crater left from the Rotation. Your claim doesn't even make sense in context. Why would Neji be practicing this "chakra cocoon" garbage instead of his entirely new Rotation technique, right before the match in which he only uses Rotation? Lol

Where is the crater in that scan? , the Chakra can be expelled and expanded it a circular fashion without needing to rotate at all.

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And the Chakra can also be molded to fit a specific design..

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The lack of a crater shows the chakra did not rotate.

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I don't think you're understanding my position.

Yes, Kakashi is faster than pretty much every Part 1 child. We know this because of the context of the story. My point is that Haku's on-panel depictions of speed were clearly shown in an attempt to display him as having an immense amount of speed, establishing him as being faster than the characters at the time.

Then Lee comes along and puts those feats to rest with his clear depictions of immense speed that outclasses the rest of the characters that we know.

It's difficult to directly compare the speed of two characters in any manga of comic book without exact statements, so we have to operate on (1) Context (2) On-panel depictions (3) Common sense.

I don't think any of those 3 things support KN0 Naruto being close to Gated Lee. At best one could argue he's on par with no-weights Lee.

Thats fair but it simple doesn't work because Haku's depiction of speed far surpasses Weighted Lee's and even weightless since im using ur logic.

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But we know that the 2T Sasuke that fought Lee would react to that depicted speed.

 

[Booker]

He slows his rotation here..

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He'd still have bought some time to which he'll continue emitting large amounts of Chakra in preparation.

Lmao I think you mean he stopped his Rotation, nothing there suggests that he can simply slow it and then maintain it over a longer duration. It doesn't even suggest that it would be effective.

He'll be doing it constantly in which it be a question on if he has enough chakra to keep pushing outward.

I'm going to stop addressing this argument until you provide some actual feats that he is capable of doing this, and that it would be effective. Because right now you're just making stuff up.

A very thin layer of the cocoon tanked two punches from two Naruto's each from different sides , a much larger amount would focused around the whole body would stem better results..

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Again, based off what? If tanking some pathetic punches from Naruto of all people is your best feat for this chakra cocoon garbage, that's incredibly weak. Prove he can tank something more than this.

The absolute defense of Both Neji and Gaara are two layered defenses with Gaara having his sand shield along with his Sand armor , the same applies to Rotation and its first stage.

False, the absolute defense comparison is comparing Neji's Rotation to Gaara's sand. The chakra cocoon is not an absolute defense. Anybody with an IQ above double digits can recognize this.


And that doesn't change the scans whatsoever. They are still practicing the Rotation technique, hence the perfect circle around all attacks and the crater left from the Rotation. Your claim doesn't even make sense in context. Why would Neji be practicing this "chakra cocoon" garbage instead of his entirely new Rotation technique, right before the match in which he only uses Rotation? Lol

Where is the crater in that scan? , the Chakra can be expelled and expanded it a circular fashion without needing to rotate at all.

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And the Chakra can also be molded to fit a specific design..

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The lack of a crater shows the chakra did not rotate.

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Chalk it up to Kishi not paying attention to detail, because everything in the context of that scenario points to it being Rotation.

And now you're also taking feats from Neji later in the series, which I'll address all the same. That cloud of chakra that Neji creates is clearly not in a perfect circle. You're right - Neji does give shape to his chakra fields. When he does it in a circle, it's called Rotation. Lol

Thats fair but it simple doesn't work because Haku's depiction of speed far surpasses Lee's since im using ur logic.

No, you're not using my logic. My logic would conclude that since 2-Tomoe Sasuke could follow Haku but not Lee, Lee is faster thanks to the context of the story.

 

[Zexion~]

I think feats from SRA have Neji beating lee tho