Prejin Madara > Juubi Madara

[KingHashirama]

which it clearly was, you want to compare madara's nerfs to naruto's nerfs?

yea lets go. =]. You sure you are gonna sound smart talking about him being nerfed even when it was a 2 vs 1?

 

[lanakui8]

that awkward moment when naruto fans legitimately believe naruto was nerfed when he only had ha fraction of the bijuus powers yet mid diffed an almost full jj. someone stronger than the jubi itself while at the same time being a jj. and a pseudo jj that was supposed to be his equal. all in one go.

That awkward moment when none of what you've just typed has anything to do with disproving naruto being nerfed. What is Naruto's maximum powers and did he use that against madara?

Madara had all of what you've just described, and

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Then we have Naruto fighting on par with kaguya, we have naruto fighting on par with Sasuke's bijuu PS, who's stated to be on hagoromo's level, a level in which

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So your stance is so bad that it forces you to blind yourself from the events that took place from the moment naruto was revived till the end of the manga.

yea lets go. =]. You sure you are gonna sound smart talking about him being nerfed even when it was a 2 vs 1?

How in the world does 2 vs 1 have anything to do with individual characters being nerfed? You can give naruto 1,000 sasukes vs madara, and if naruto only uses punches and kicks, he's just as nerfed as if he fought madara solo with just punches and kicks.

 

[Han 5 tails]

You just gotta love when Maddie fapboys complain about him being nerfed by Kishi, yet you don't hear a word about blind Maddie defeating Naruto and Sasuke too easy just because he had to save panel time. Nice

He wasnt blind he has rinnegan and without hagoromo chakra
Limbo clone >> naruto /sasuke re read manga and then discuss

 

[Kamui Sama]

Then we have Naruto fighting on par with kaguya, we have naruto fighting on par with Sasuke's bijuu PS, who's stated to be on hagoromo's level,s.

da hell? Only Sasuke's manipulation of the bijuu's chakra was stated to be near hagoromo's level

 

[Ghoul]

He wasnt blind he has rinnegan and without hagoromo chakra
Limbo clone >> naruto /sasuke re read manga and then discuss

You're telling me he had Rinnegan when he almost killed Naruto and Sasuke? Guess we know who's the one who should read the manga.

And Limbo is slowly becoming the new Yata/Totsuka hype it seems. Lol

 

[Han 5 tails]

That awkward moment when none of what you've just typed has anything to do with disproving naruto being nerfed. What is Naruto's maximum powers and did he use that against madara?

Madara had all of what you've just described, and

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Then we have Naruto fighting on par with kaguya, we have naruto fighting on par with Sasuke's bijuu PS, who's stated to be on hagoromo's level, a level in which

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So your stance is so bad that it forces you to blind yourself from the events that took place from the moment naruto was revived till the end of the manga.



How in the world does 2 vs 1 have anything to do with individual characters being nerfed? You can give naruto 1,000 sasukes vs madara, and if naruto only uses punches and kicks, he's just as nerfed as if he fought madara solo with just punches and kicks.

with third eye MADARA>= Hagoromo, databook aproves this

 

[Han 5 tails]

You're telling me he had Rinnegan when he almost killed Naruto and Sasuke? Guess we know who's the one who should read the manga.

And Limbo is slowly becoming the new Yata/Totsuka hype it seems. Lol

he had rinnegan

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[Ghoul]

he had rinnegan

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What the ****? I stand corrected Lol. I really forgot

 

[lanakui8]

with third eye MADARA>= Hagoromo, databook aproves this

link please.

 

[Benjamin King]

You're talking about ''badass'' term, in which Pre-Jin Madara defeats Jin Madara in this aspect. But overall, Jin Madara has everything his previous forms had.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

That awkward moment when none of what you've just typed has anything to do with disproving naruto being nerfed. What is Naruto's maximum powers and did he use that against madara?

Madara had all of what you've just described, and

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Then we have Naruto fighting on par with kaguya, we have naruto fighting on par with Sasuke's bijuu PS, who's stated to be on hagoromo's level, a level in which

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So your stance is so bad that it forces you to blind yourself from the events that took place from the moment naruto was revived till the end of the manga.

no what im saying is that naruto is many times stronger than what he was actually supposed to be. he only had 50% kurama and 5% at best of each of the bijuu and some power from hagoromo. that alone let him beat someone who had BOTH powers of the sage an almost full juubi jin and etc. naruto was not nerfed. he was drastically main character power upped for no good reason.

you say madara wasnt nerfed but if that was the case why didnt he use susanoo? his favorite move. a jj susanoo from madara shouldve been able to obliterate naruto and sasuke both in one swip no matter what they did but he wasnt allowed to use it. nor was he allowed to use any of his other impressive jutsu infact his ninjutsu got WORSE after he turned into a jj he only used normal ninjutsu and both of them were fodder tier. a crappy lightning attack and a crappy storm attack that did nothing.

kaguya had so much power it dwarfed the jubis but not only that she was a jubi jin yet she was able to run out of chakra more than once. not only that but she wasnt allowed to do.. pretty much anything. she couldve used muki tensei(or whatever her version is called) as soon as they got into the lava dimension and killeed them all. or atleast she probably wouldve killed sasuke at the time. she was nerfed beyond belief.

sasuke was nerfed from jump street. he was supposedly supposed to be equal to naruto in power after recieving half from hagoromo but that wasnt the case at all. the only thing that happened was that he got a perfect susanoo and limited teleportation and that was it.. even though he got chakra from the sage he wasnt even allowed to use senjutsu which he showed to have gotten when he used black chidori but never used senjutsu again.

sasuke got nerfed again when he became a pseudo jj. his power was supposed to be equal to or greater than the sages yet he was still nerfed to high hell. his strongest attack indras arrow took ALL of his chakra just to use which makes ZERO sense he shouldve atleast been able to fire two or three considring even obito could fire 4 jubidamas and give no fcks about his chakra reserves. not onoly that but one chapter later its shown that sasuke knew how to make his attacks stronger by fusing his lightning and enton attacks. meaning if he had simply put enton in his indra arrow he wouldve negged narutos wind attack because the enton wouldve gotten stronger.

also the fact that naruto could even fight on EQUAL terms with pseudo jj sasuke while he was exhausted and on "low" chakra is a nerf in itself and a main character plot power up. and dont even get me started on when narutos shadow clones could fight equally with jj limbos.

 

[Han 5 tails]

link please.

translation from Naruto Manga section

Madara's last page:

"THe Power of Rikudo"
Finally, time has come!
With the collection of both rinnegan eyes, madara releases the true power of rikudo!
with sharp light coming from both eyes, it depicts the fear of its power
to show his will, madara fulfill's his long time plan for the Shinju to reach the moon.
When the person who has the power of Rinnei's is nearby moon, Mugen dreams will come true.
With the release of power of moon, the third eye opens according to the Uchiha tablet.
To reject a cursed world of chakra. Madara's dream finally comes true…BUT..?!

 

[lanakui8]

cno what im saying is that naruto is many times stronger than what he was actually supposed to be. he only had 50% kurama and 5% at best of each of the bijuu and some power from hagoromo. that alone let him beat someone who had BOTH powers of the sage an almost full juubi jin and etc. naruto was not nerfed. he was drastically main character power upped for no good reason.

except unlike madara, naruto has Hagoromo's yang chakra, and his powers come from cooperation of all 9 bijuu (something that no other juubi jin has achieved before) while madara's powers comes from subjugating the mindless juubi. Plus, naruto is a real sage, unlike madara who had to steal hashirama's sennin mode chakra.

you say madara wasnt nerfed but if that was the case why didnt he use susanoo? his favorite move. a jj susanoo from madara shouldve been able to obliterate naruto and sasuke both in one swip no matter what they did but he wasnt allowed to use it. nor was he allowed to use any of his other impressive jutsu infact his ninjutsu got WORSE after he turned into a jj he only used normal ninjutsu and both of them were fodder tier. a crappy lightning attack and a crappy storm attack that did nothing.

I didn't say madara wasn't nerfed. I'm saying that if you want to claim madara was nerfed, you have to look at both sides and claim naruto and sasuke were nerfed as well since they didn't bring out a fraction of what they were capable of.

kaguya had so much power it dwarfed the jubis but not only that she was a jubi jin yet she was able to run out of chakra more than once. not only that but she wasnt allowed to do.. pretty much anything. she couldve used muki tensei(or whatever her version is called) as soon as they got into the lava dimension and killeed them all. or atleast she probably wouldve killed sasuke at the time. she was nerfed beyond belief.

Kaguya running out of chakra just means that the jutsu she used required a ton of chakra. why would muki tensei in the lava dimension do anything when lava hardly does anything to madara's susanoo, and sasuke an fly via bird or susanoo? And if naruto was allowed to use his full power on her, he blitzes her before she even uses muki tensei.

sasuke was nerfed from jump street. he was supposedly supposed to be equal to naruto in power after recieving half from hagoromo but that wasnt the case at all. the only thing that happened was that he got a perfect susanoo and limited teleportation and that was it.. even though he got chakra from the sage he wasnt even allowed to use senjutsu which he showed to have gotten when he used black chidori but never used senjutsu again.

That's only true if you presuppose that sasuke was suppose to be equal to naruto in power after receiving half from hagoromo, and I don't see any reason why that has to be true. Don't see why sasuke having the ability to use senjutsu and opting not to means anything when naruto doesn't us senjutsu at all times despite having the ability to do so.

sasuke got nerfed again when he became a pseudo jj. his power was supposed to be equal to or greater than the sages yet he was still nerfed to high hell. his strongest attack indras arrow took ALL of his chakra just to use which makes ZERO sense he shouldve atleast been able to fire two or three considring even obito could fire 4 jubidamas and give no fcks about his chakra reserves. not onoly that but one chapter later its shown that sasuke knew how to make his attacks stronger by fusing his lightning and enton attacks. meaning if he had simply put enton in his indra arrow he wouldve negged narutos wind attack because the enton wouldve gotten stronger.

Indra's arrow was simply tiers more powerful than the juubi's bijuudama that obito were firing, and it didn't take all of the bijuu's chakra, it just destroyed sasuke's chakra construct when it clashed with naruto's attack.
Naruto and sasuke's chakra constructs are incomparably more durable than the juubi, the juubi's tails were cut by a BM FRS, Naruto's tails could slam into PS sword slashes until the sword got destroyed. the juubi survived one of its bombs going off right in its face, indra's arrow and naruto's attack destroyed their constructs.

also the fact that naruto could even fight on EQUAL terms with pseudo jj sasuke while he was exhausted and on "low" chakra is a nerf in itself and a main character plot power up. and dont even get me started on when narutos shadow clones could fight equally with jj limbos.

That's only a nerf it you presuppose for some reason that naruto can't be equal to pseudo jj sasuke, and I don't see any reason to believe that. The only thing that's set in stone is that naruto and sasuke's maximum powers will be equal, they don't have to be equal before that. At the first VoTe, NAruto was stomping sasuke, then sasuke was stomping naruto, then naruto was stomping sasuke, then they were equal.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Pre jin madara actually won his fights. Juubi madara got two wins, one against Minato and one with IT, but that was then slightly overshadowed by the Black Zetsu Incident.