[Discussion] Pre ts zoro vs pre ts Luffy

[Bogard]

So what ?

That lies within the range of Luffy's potential, that is his weapon.

It's not like he is taking steroids which all of a sudden make it unfair for Zoro. That's like saying: "Yeah but Zoro didn't have three swords until thriller bark again". That's pretty much Zoro's problem and limitation.

Zoro uses three swords and Luffy his fruit to his full extent. Is your argument still holding up if I would say that Blueno would kick Zoro's ass if he only would have 1 sword ?

No, because that doesn't matter, it's unfair to take away a weapon. So just accept that gears Luffy is ahead of Zoro and then we all know the answer to the question in this thread.

Also I came up with multiple arguments where Luffy showed better strength feats at the same point in time as Zoro, you have given no arguments why you think Zoro is stronger than Luffy, in any mode.

I wasn't serious when i said Zoro is stronger than Luffy. Re-read my first post and you'll see that in the no restriction scenario i gave Luffy the win with high difficulty. I was simply pissed off by the amount of accusation that were randomly made and the fact that you people don't read before posting makes it ridiculous. We were debating over the win of base Luffy, something i totally disagree with

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

idc about restrictions, overall Luffy wins, no argument

With no restrictions pre ts Luffy takes it probably high difficulty but in post time skip it would be closer than that.

Like he demonstrated that time when he was stuck in a chimney and he needed his sword to get out.

While at the same time Luffy was between two buildings and he just pushed them away.

Yeah I see it now. Zoro is so much stronger.

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Luffy wins all 3, no discussion here.

As far as I remember Luffy was stuck between the buildings for hours and only got out because nami. Alabasta Zoro carried a building with one hand

 

[Love Cook]

As far as I remember Luffy was stuck between the buildings for hours and only got out because nami. Alabasta Zoro carried a building with one hand

You need to do a better job remembering. Nami did nothing, she shouted from another rooftop. That was still 100% Luffy strength, Zoro was saved because Chopper had to come bring his sword.

Very impressive by Alabasta Zoro, meanwhile Luffy punched Crocodile through a layer of bedrock.

Always a step ahead. Or two.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

You need to do a better job remembering. Nami did nothing, she shouted from another rooftop. That was still 100% Luffy strength, Zoro was saved because Chopper had to come bring his sword.

Very impressive by Alabasta Zoro, meanwhile Luffy punched Crocodile through a layer of bedrock.

Always a step ahead. Or two.

Wasn't Luffy still stuck there for hours? Any ways I believe there physical strength is very comparable as zoro was able to deflects oars punches which would mean he would deflect Luffys too. All and all they both have some insane strength feats. But don't you believe scenario one would go to zoro? As base Luffy was struggling to beat blueno and zoro was able to beat ryuma. Also nitoroyu zoro has better moves and skills then base Luffy

 

[Love Cook]

Wasn't Luffy still stuck there for hours? Any ways I believe there physical strength is very comparable as zoro was able to deflects oars punches which would mean he would deflect Luffys too. All and all they both have some insane strength feats. But don't you believe scenario one would go to zoro? As base Luffy was struggling to beat blueno and zoro was able to beat ryuma. Also nitoroyu zoro has better moves and skills then base Luffy

Yeah let's compare luffy from 1 arc to Zoro from another. That's fair.

What do you think Zoro would've done with 2 swords against Blueno. Besides I don't believe Ryuuma to be on CP9 level so this whole comparison doesn't add up.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Yeah let's compare luffy from 1 arc to Zoro from another. That's fair.

What do you think Zoro would've done with 2 swords against Blueno. Besides I don't believe Ryuuma to be on CP9 level so this whole comparison doesn't add up.

Ryuuma was deffinitely on CP9 level, he was one of the strongest from his homeland, and wielded a legendary sword.
And dont forget, Zoro beat the giraffe guy(cant remember his name) who was stronger than Blueno, which is the same arc.

 

[Love Cook]

Ryuuma was deffinitely on CP9 level, he was one of the strongest from his homeland, and wielded a legendary sword.
And dont forget, Zoro beat the giraffe guy(cant remember his name) who was stronger than Blueno, which is the same arc.

You need to learn to read, you're doing a bad job. I was going along with a stupid comparison and questioned how Zoro would fare against someone like Blueno if you limit his power.

I seriously doubt that Ryuuma would be able to beat Kaku. (Which is the name of the giraffe guy) Zoro won that one by the skin of his teeth with three swords. Also Kaku wasn't as nimble in his Giraffe form as others like Lucci, Jyabura and Blueno. I think he would have a tough fight against someone like Blueno with his level of tekkai and his soru, if you take away one of his weapons like kyubbi sagemode did with Luffy.

Also giving someone a legendary sword, doesn't make him a better swordsman.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

You need to learn to read, you're doing a bad job. I was going along with a stupid comparison and questioned how Zoro would fare against someone like Blueno if you limit his power.

I seriously doubt that Ryuuma would be able to beat Kaku. (Which is the name of the giraffe guy) Zoro won that one by the skin of his teeth with three swords. Also Kaku wasn't as nimble in his Giraffe form as others like Lucci, Jyabura and Blueno. I think he would have a tough fight against someone like Blueno with his level of tekkai and his soru, if you take away one of his weapons like kyubbi sagemode did with Luffy.

Also giving someone a legendary sword, doesn't make him a better swordsman.

You're doing a bad job at understanding what I said. Kaku's attacks were much more powerful than Blueno, and Zoro beat him 'by the skin of his teeth', but Luffy was close to death when he beat Rob Lucci.

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And yes, being Wano's greatest hero wielding a legendary sword says alot about Ryuuma.

 

[Love Cook]

You're doing a bad job at understanding what I said. Kaku's attacks were much more powerful than Blueno, and Zoro beat him 'by the skin of his teeth', but Luffy was close to death when he beat Rob Lucci.

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And yes, being Wano's greatest hero wielding a legendary sword says alot about Ryuuma.

Funny remark, but doesn't mean anything coming from someone who doesn't understand it himself.

Lucci had twice the strength of Kaku, so it's much more impressive what Lufy did than what Zoro did. Also the whole Zoro vs. Blueno is not the discussion here. That is what you get for butting in a argument between people without reading. It was a bad example by kyuubi to debuff Luffy in the Blueno fight. So i did the same for Zoro, but it appears you stil didn't get that after explaining it twice.

When compared to feats Ryuuma showed nothing really special and Zoro was pushed more to his limits in the kaku fight. Zoro beat Ryuuma with two swords and he was possessed with the shadow of Brook. Meaning that Ryuuma was only a shell of his former self stuck with fencing techniques. Ryuuma also didn't have any notable speed feats like soru and Zoro was able to keep up running on a rooftop with him.

Being 'legendary' on a island doesn't tell how strong anyone is in the rest of the world.

Sorry for the rape, but you were asking for it.

 

[Bogard]

When compared to feats Ryuuma showed nothing really special and Zoro was pushed more to his limits in the kaku fight. Zoro beat Ryuuma with two swords and he was possessed with the shadow of Brook. Meaning that Ryuuma was only a shell of his former self stuck with fencing techniques. Ryuuma also didn't have any notable speed feats like soru and Zoro was able to keep up running on a rooftop with him.

Being 'legendary' on a island doesn't tell how strong anyone is in the rest of the world.

In the story monster(where Ryuuma come from), Ryuma is described as the strongest swordsman. It's zombie Ryuma who was weaker because he was in a weaker body using Thriller bark Brook level attacks. He only seemed stronger than the original Brook because of his legendary swordsman soul, so yes the zombie may have been weaker(though not as weak as you're implying him to be with ridiculous claims like Blueno could beat him) but i'm pretty confident that in his lifetime he was a swordsman around Mihawk's level if not stronger

 

[Love Cook]

In the story monster(where Ryuuma come from), Ryuma is described as the strongest swordsman. It's zombie Ryuma who was weaker because he was in a weaker body using Thriller bark Brook level attacks. He only seemed stronger than the original Brook because of his legendary swordsman soul, so yes the zombie may have been weaker(though not as weak as you're implying him to be with ridiculous claims like Blueno could beat him) but i'm pretty confident that in his lifetime he was a swordsman around Mihawk's level if not stronger

I'm sure he was, but that was not the man who Zoro fought. Also I didn't compare Ryuuma to Blueno I said he is not on CP9 level, meaning he doesn't have the speed feats like geppou, nor defence like tekkai or the destructive capabilities Lucci, Jyabura and Kaku showed.

Also Ryuuma is referenced of Monster, it's not the same guy. You don't know how his power would hold up in the world of One Piece.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Yeah let's compare luffy from 1 arc to Zoro from another. That's fair.

What do you think Zoro would've done with 2 swords against Blueno. Besides I don't believe Ryuuma to be on CP9 level so this whole comparison doesn't add up.

Ryuuma>>>blueno IMO. Wait So you think 2 swords zoro would lose to blueno? Base Luffy couldn't take him down and I doubt his base form got that much stronger from w7 to thriller bark arc.

But at the very least we can confirm 2 sword thriller bark zoro>w7 arc Luffy. Right? Unless you think 2 sword zoro loses to blueno which I don't see as he could easily keep up with his speed since he could keep up and react to kaku and 2 sword zoros feats are better than bluenos.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Funny remark, but doesn't mean anything coming from someone who doesn't understand it himself.

Lucci had twice the strength of Kaku, so it's much more impressive what Lufy did than what Zoro did. Also the whole Zoro vs. Blueno is not the discussion here. That is what you get for butting in a argument between people without reading. It was a bad example by kyuubi to debuff Luffy in the Blueno fight. So i did the same for Zoro, but it appears you stil didn't get that after explaining it twice.

When compared to feats Ryuuma showed nothing really special and Zoro was pushed more to his limits in the kaku fight. Zoro beat Ryuuma with two swords and he was possessed with the shadow of Brook. Meaning that Ryuuma was only a shell of his former self stuck with fencing techniques. Ryuuma also didn't have any notable speed feats like soru and Zoro was able to keep up running on a rooftop with him.

Being 'legendary' on a island doesn't tell how strong anyone is in the rest of the world.

Sorry for the rape, but you were asking for it.

Oh you consider that rape? No wonder you're so ignorant.

I'm pretty sure being stuck between 2 buildings is different than being stuck in a narrow chimney. If Zoro was in Luffys spot, he could've pushed them away also. Have you not seen Zoro training and lifting insane amount of weights?
And yes, being legendary on an island does tell us how strong he was. It means he was top class and would be able to face top opponents.

Oh and your argument about Luffy having gear 3 attacks much stronger than Zoro are baseless too, Zoro was taking hits from Oars and still keep going, he was very beaten up, and was able to take all of Luffys pain after that and still keep standing.
Im not saying Zoro is stronger than Luffy, but hes not far.

 

[Love Cook]

Oh you consider that rape? No wonder you're so ignorant.

I'm pretty sure being stuck between 2 buildings is different than being stuck in a narrow chimney. If Zoro was in Luffys spot, he could've pushed them away also. Have you not seen Zoro training and lifting insane amount of weights?
And yes, being legendary on an island does tell us how strong he was. It means he was top class and would be able to face top opponents.

Oh and your argument about Luffy having gear 3 attacks much stronger than Zoro are baseless too, Zoro was taking hits from Oars and still keep going, he was very beaten up, and was able to take all of Luffys pain after that and still keep standing.
Im not saying Zoro is stronger than Luffy, but hes not far.

Yeah a chimney made out of 1 layer of bricks is much tougher to break than two entire buildings, I understand now sensei please enlighten me more.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

Yeah a chimney made out of 1 layer of bricks is much tougher to break than two entire buildings, I understand now sensei please enlighten me more.

You're unteachable.

 

[Fireplay]

Luffy is stronger...

 

[sravan]

luffy in all 3 scenarios don't know why zorro is overrated this much