Pre-Juubi Rinnegan Madara is equal to Pre Juubi Hagoromo

[KCMNaruto]

Well you have point there. However I see two problems with it
1. Madara doesnt have senjutsu pre juubi absorption.
2. Madara didn't get other rinnegan until he become jinchurki. Edo tensei madara is bad example alive > edo in power.Also bijuu statement about fake rinnegan limit power
Now Hagoromo had more potent chakra and bigger amount due to be directly connected to
juubi chakra. Hagoromo had senjutsu as well as it is requirement to harm juubi so he is dual rg + supreme senjytsu + great part of juubi chakra.

While madara: drg + rikudou chakra. SEE LACK SENJUTSU ON HIS OWN.

IF madara had it then he would be 90% of pre jin hagoromo/ hamura

 

[Ansatsuken]

OK I'm sorry

But still there is clue for you in my previous post that stating Hago is still above Madara in chakra league and Rinnegan power plus his body.

If you consider current Hagoromo in latest chapter is as Pre Juubi because he is currently dead but still showing Yin and Yang abilities like TSB and Shakujou also levitating , that mean you have a clue how advanced Hago is in power and abilities department compared to Madara.

But if we going to the past as we had seen Hago also without Juubi, we assume he can levitate or fly to fight with that huge Juubi,

And if Shakujou in hago hand is created from yin and yang and not from Juubi power, that mean Madara still unable to archive that feat even Obito with one Rinnegan and Juubi less able to created Yin and Yang Shakujou and use it.

That mean Hago Juubi less is master in Yin and Yang more than Rinnegan Madara, where is Madara is just creating a black rod that not comparable to Shakujou

 

[Heruvim]

So in other words... Madara =Hagoromo? I dont know why people still think that. He created the moon, with no juubi involved. Madaras biggest feat was calling down meteors. Way smaller than the moon.


Any Hagoromo > Any Madara. Leave it alone. It will never be true. Madara pales in comparison to the sage of six paths. Stop it. I will hunt you down personally.

Madara > Hagoromo
Deal with it.

 

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Pre JJ Hagoromo has the full power of Indra-Asura while Pre JJ Madara only has what was left from Hashirama and himself.​

 

[EternalDarkness]

Basically, there are two parts to a ninja's skill: Body, and Eyes

Theory: SO6P had the strongest body and eyes, Indra (Madara) had strong eyes but not as strong as his father, Asura (Hashirama) had a strong body but not as strong as his father, However when You combine Asura and Indra's chakra, both the eyes and body evolve EVEN further because of EMERGENT Properties, so that they eyes are stronger than Indra's (EMS -> Rinnegan) and the body is stronger than Asura's (Strong Body -> Even stronger body)

The Sage had powerful eyes (rinnegan) , and a powerful body (strong healing and chakra) which is what made him so strong.

The Senju excelled at Body

The Uchiha excelled at Eyes

When Madara combined Asura's and Indra's chakra, he awakened the sage's eyes. But therefore he should've also awakened the sage's body!

But we should define what the sage's body was like. It was probably just like Hashiram's body but with a higher healing factor and higher chakra levels, however there are no AESTHETIC differences, meaning it's just a normal body, it isn't any more muscular or different colores unlike the rinnegan which looks different from Indra's eyes.

Something inportant to note is that this isn't really focused on because the Body is much more passive, it doesn't change form or shape unlike the eyes which get a new pattern (EMS -> Rinnegan) but we know Madara had it because of everything above.

This means that Madara not only had stronger eyes than Hashirama (by default) he also had a stronger body (and therefore more chakra than Hashirama) after absorbing his cells, i.e., he was more durable (in terms of being able to heal on the level of SO6P) and had more chakra than Hashirama as well (Madara's total chakra was equal to the SO6P before absorbin the Juubi)

This makes sense since Madara's eyes didn't stay EMS, they evolved to the sage of six paths level, so it is natural that his body would evolve the same way.


What does this mean? Edo Madara should've been able to make a CT the size of the moon and should've had much MUCH higher chakra levels than Edo Hashirama.

Why didn't this happen you ask?

Because of Madara's only weakness (aside from Kaguya): Plot no Jutsu

Basically the point of this thread was to prove that Combining Asura + Indra's chakra results in EMERGENT properties. The abilites of the person are not simply INDRA + ASURA, they are much higher, they are on the level of the SAGE of Six Paths, Combining Asura + Indra's chakra are much more like multiplying their powers than just simply adding them.

Thus, Madara's pre-jin chakra levels are not simply EMS Madara + Hashirama's chakra level, they are infact much higher. '

i`m sorry dude, but even ig he awakened the 3rd eye and had juubi inside him, and even with hagoromo who taught ppl ninshuu for peace and stuff like that, you can look at his eyes, his rinnegan shows you everything.. he isn`t one you would want to play with him.. kaguya was far stronger than him, IN TERMS OF CHAKRA. her wickness was the fact that her own chakra was splitted and from it created 9 creatures that would respond to their own chakra. it`s like you are a runner, bun even if you are, you have a ticking bomb in your heart.. they just have to stop.. YOU. not the bomb.
even with juubi, hagoromo stated, madara atained the juubi powers and it`s TRYING to get close to hagoromo and kaguya..