-> Post War Arc/Pre-Gaiden Sasuke was stronger than any Mokuton user.

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Decided to post something fleshy on the the matter to prove that Sasuke directly after losing the Rikudo powerup was stronger than any Mokuton user by highlighting the many overshadowed aspects of his potential.



Amenotejikara's Potential Is Overlooked. I.


The potential of this Jutsu is apparently severely overlooked as it is commonly only granted the flexibility it has showcased throughout the Manga. I'll make a minor digression here to highlight a particular principle that is mandatory for understanding Amenotejikara's full potential:
There have been many cases in the Manga when the Author limits a characters abilities in order to progress the plot as he desires. An example of this is that Kakashi did not utilize Kamui against Deva path during there battle but does not mean he did not possess the ability at the time. The reasoning and principle here is quite simple that: If Kakashi warped Deva's head at that point then the plot could not have progressed (Deva destroying the village, ect) as the Author intended to. So in essence, every character's abilities may be limited in some way by the Author. However, when pitting the actual abilities against one another it is possible for Kakashi to warp Deva's head with Kamui.

Databook IV said:
Amenotejikara (天手力 (アメノテジカラ), Heaven Hand Power (Amenotejikara))


A Ninjutsu using the Rinnegan received from the Sage of Six Paths. With in a certain range, the jutsu user can switch himself with the location of a target object in an instant. If the user switches himself with other objects in close-range combat, the user can evade enemy attacks in an instant, and can also attack by switching himself with a kunai or other weapon.

Databook said:
Teleportation Ninjutsu (i.e. space-time ninjutsu) is high-level ninjutsu that surpass concepts of space and distance. It allows one to move into a subspace and appear at a specific destination with a jutsu formula.
The nature of Amenotejikara deems it a Space-Time Ninjutsu. The intricate factor here however is it's given function; that: With in a certain range, the jutsu user can switch himself with the location of a target object in an instant. By canonical definition, Space-time ninjutsu allows one to move into a subspace similar to the Einstein rose bridge; that is, a hypothetical space–time continuum at a speed faster than that of light. It therefore says that with Amenotejikara, Sasuke can swap himself with any target object faster than the speed of light. The limit on 'what can be swapped' is of course dependent on Chakra pools----a well knit example being-----Kakashi states that his Space-time Ninjutsu was 3x's more effective after being given a tremendous power-boost and similarly, what Minato can teleport is dependent on Chakra pools.

Amenotejikara's action is dependent on only one thing: Sasuke pinpointing target objects; that is, the object to be "swapped" (including himself) by having a literal visual:
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Dependency denotes enemies Suicide. II.

Joining the aforementioned principles: For Amenotejikara to work, it is dependent on two key factors:

1 -> The target object being With in Range.
2 -> Sasuke having a literal visual of the Target object.

Sasuke's eyes being the Sharingan is what makes Amenotejikara so deadly. The Sharingan can not only see through Solid objects and Chakra colour but it also has a literal visual of internal objects within the body to a cellular level:

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It therefore means that Amenotejikara's range of function extends to these extremities; that Sauske can potentially "swap" objects within the opponents body as long as they are with in the Jutsu's range. If the opponent lacks prior knowledge of this (All mokuton users do) then they fall victim to the Jutsu's abilities--- then engaging Sasuke in close quarters combat or being within Amenotejikara's range could result in Suicide.

Chakra control. III.

Regarding the usege of Rin'negan Jutsu: Although Sasuke does not possess a flashy chakra pool; it hakra feats can be satisfyied with phenomenal Chakra control. A classic example of this type of control is tachi that; although he was dying due to his physical state, low on chakra to the point he could not maintain a 3-Tomoe, suffering pain and agony from disease as well as pain from extended use of his Mangekyo abilities was still able to activate his complete Susano'o, activate it's weapons, seal Orochimaru, Guard against Sasuke's explosive kunai with Yata-no-Kagami and could have potentially sealed him with Totsuka all before his death.

Sasuke's display of chakra control granted by his Doujutsu was highlighted within the War Arc as he used various versions of Susano'o, Kagatsuchi, Amaterasu + his own Jutsu even for extended amounts of time before ever complaining for chakra and also was able to use Rin'negan jutsu although he was low on chakra to the point that he could not maintain a 3 tomoe Sharingan.



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EMS + Rin'negan triumphs Shinshuu-Senju. III.


A rather self explanatory fact that full access to the Rin'negan's abilities grants EMS Sasuke the potential to counter any Mokuton Jutsu by Mix matching abilities of the Rin'negan and his Sharingan Jutsu tagging along the varying properties of each Jutsu. Shodaime is hailed as the greatest Mokuton user based on the diversity and magnitude of his Jutsu. The greatest Mokuton technique ever displayed can be bested by strategical use of combined abilites of the Eternal Mangekyo and Rin'negan. However there are a few intricate details of the buddah that must initially be observed:


-> Shin-Shuusenju's attachment arms were vastly bigger than the both the Kyuubi and Madara's Perfect Susano'o however, although point blank impact was made not one of it's arms 1000 arms were able to touch Madara.

-> It's material isn't exorbitantly durable; Susano'o cuts it: This is highlihgted in the fact that the rotating pinned Biju-Dama were slicing through it's arms without exploding:

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-> Hashirama directly controls it as a robot and since it walks it's balance is therefore depandent on footing: Shinshuusenju is essentially humanoid and thus if it looses footing, it losess balance and due to the weight of the Arm attachment (unless detached) it should topple.


The strategy then can be brought to fruition considering such factors:

Databook said:
Bansho-tennin
Ninjutsu,Kekke-genkai,close+mid range.
Users:Nagato

...He becomes the center of a power/ability that attracts all “substance”(matter) towards himself. At the movements of right hand (likely and idiom of some kind), all creation matter is compulsory gathered and attracted....
The strategy is simple: Evade Hashirama and destroy Shin-shuusenju's legs (which are smaller than a large mountain [ ]) with brute force from either gravitational acceleration or repulsion. This is placed in effect by other----also simple----factors. The Chameleon's ability to appear invisible makes it impossible for both SM users [ ] and even KM Naruto [ ] to pinpoint it's location. Now given Bansho-Tenin's ability to attract desired matter toward the user, Sasuke can enter the Chameleons mouth and elevate quickly while attracting it with Bansho-Tenin; taking it along with him over or around [ ] Shin-Shuusenju and destroy it's legs with either Chibaku tensei or a village crushing force as Chou-Shinra tensei as it's material was not durable enough to withstand a few rotating Susano'o Katana. Or...Given Amenotejikara's potential Sauke could engage the opponent atop directly and kill them once within radius.

Other. IV.


Mokuton users also possess no counter to the Mazou's Jutsu: [ ]

 
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At first glance, the concept of Sasuke being able to swap things within people's bodies always seemed like somewhat of a stretch to me. But when you take into account that Space/Time Ninjutsu is said to "surpass concepts of space", it definitely doesn't seem so farfetched after all. Excellent analysis.
 
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At first glance, the concept of Sasuke being able to swap things within people's bodies always seemed like somewhat of a stretch to me. But when you take into account that Space/Time Ninjutsu is said to "surpass concepts of space", it definitely doesn't seem so farfetched after all. Excellent analysis.
Yeah, it's a concept often overlooked.
 

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To be honest, it seems pretty obvious that Post War Arc Sasuke could easily defeat Hashirama.

By feats alone, MS Sasuke and Itachi even beat Hashirama, as he has no speed feats to avoid Amaterasu.

Good thread though. Although at the end you give Sasuke abilities he has not showcased, and summons that he logically does not have, regardless of what Rinnegan paths he has mastered.
 

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To be honest, it seems pretty obvious that Post War Arc Sasuke could easily defeat Hashirama.

By feats alone, MS Sasuke and Itachi even beat Hashirama, as he has no speed feats to avoid Amaterasu.

Good thread though. Although at the end you give Sasuke abilities he has not showcased, and summons that he logically does not have, regardless of what Rinnegan paths he has mastered.
I did address the bold in the first spoiler.I didn't give him a feat; I simply expanded on the Jutsu's potential.

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That is a good analysis of Sasuke's ability, and he can beat Hashirama indeed. But I don't think the strategy you're thinking at is a good one. The idea of destroying the legs by brute force seems weird, also the fact that he can swap multiple bodies at the same time isn't certain.
 

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To be honest, it seems pretty obvious that Post War Arc Sasuke could easily defeat Hashirama.

By feats alone, MS Sasuke and Itachi even beat Hashirama, as he has no speed feats to avoid Amaterasu.

Good thread though. Although at the end you give Sasuke abilities he has not showcased, and summons that he logically does not have, regardless of what Rinnegan paths he has mastered.
Hashirama doesn't need speed feat to avoid amaterasu. Amaterasu is fodder level to Hashi :lmao:
 

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Although one could say that Ameno exploit is a possibility in a non-plot influenced out-of-caracter Sasuke, an IC Sasuke could never be attributed such a feat.
 
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