Post all “screw logic” moments here

[Animegoin]

Post all ”screw logic” moments & “why didn’t ‘X’ just ‘Y’, it would’ve been smarter” scenarios, regardless of how they would’ve impacted the story.​

Screw logic moments:
-Genjutsu working on white Zetsu, beings that aren’t even human anymore. Who were also immune to IT
-Edo Itachi still being able to use Susano’o despite the auditory attack Kabuto used
-Edo Tensei having infinite chakra, but the divine tree’s branches not pursuing the Edos as fiercely as they did Naruto and Killer Bee. Especially BCM Minato.
-Edo Minato talking about how he’s out of chakra despite maintaining his BCM form
-Minato’s random Sage Mode nerf
-The Edo Rinnegan somehow being inferior to the real one, despite utilizing all of the abilities, including the human and Naraka Paths; but Rinne-Tensei is a no-no.
-How the bijuu knew that the Edo Rinnegan was inferior to the real one despite Tobirama being the one who create the technique, not Hagoromo. Therefore how would they know what an Edo Rinnegan can/can’t do?
-Edo Hashirama’s Shinjusenju restriction
-The ghost of Hagoromo and his handout asspulls
-Naruto’s trivial bijuu power matching Juubi Madara’s superior bijuu & Juubi power (regardless of RSM)
-Juubi Madara not absorbing RSM Naruto’s Bijuu rasenshuriken
-Juubi Madara’s arsenal limit despite having practically infinite chakra and 2 Sage modes
-Obito, Madara and Black Zetsu all entering the Kamui world but not absorbing the huge piece of the Gedo Statue that Kakashi warped into that dimension.
-Kaguya having Naruto and Sasuke in her clutches, only to toss them away after seeing their seals
-Kaguya trying to kill them immediately after releasing them
-Kaguya then deciding to try to take their chakra
-Kaguya deciding not to go after Sasuke despite him being the easier target
-Naruto‘s boiling point chakra matching Kaguya’s
-Obito still not utilizing that Gedo chunk to draw additional chakra
-How Obito figured that RSM Naruto‘s clone didn’t have enough chakra for the job. The same clone that brought him back to life, nonetheless.
-Kaguya’s sharingan is apparently incapable of Izanagi
-Sasuke channeling the Bijuu’s power into an arrow....
-The random “fresh Rinnegan” nerf
-Sasuke deciding not to: Ameno RSM Naruto’s bijuu rasenshuriken into Naruto‘s face, Ameno Indra’s arrow into Naruto like he Ameno’d his sword into Madara, nor Ameno Kaguya’s own ash bones into her.
-Orochimaru becoming Sasuke’s pet out of nowhere (and that’s being kind)
-Madara and Sasuke both deciding to not use genjutsu against their respective opposites.
-Hagoromo contradicting himself by first stating that he “can’t do anything”, but then literally hands out power. Then he proceeds to manifest in the real world and admits that he handed out his power.
-Madara’s limbo clones nerf from using any ninjutsu
-Madara’s Rinnegan Six Paths restrictions



“Why didn’t” Scenarios:
-Why didn’t BZ control teen Nagato to use Rinne-Tensei to resurrect Madara to capture the Bijuu?
-Why didn’t Obito resurrect Rin with Rinne-tensei or genjutsu control Nagato to do so?
-Why didn’t the White Zetsu that were attached to Sasuke drain all of his chakra the moment he began killing the other Zetsus, especially the original?
-Why didn’t Black Zetsu just straight up tell Madara how to manifest the Rinnegan?
-Why didn’t Edo Hashirama take any of Kurama’s chakra?
-Why didn’t Madara kill any of the Edo Tensei with his TSBs, especially Tobirama?
Why didn’t Sasuke cast a Rinnegan genjutsu on Naruto while they were just staring at each other for a few chapters?
-Why didn’t Kakashi kamui Madara’s Rinnegan out of his head?
-Why didn’t Hagoromo just try to talk with Madara since he saw everything transpire And was capable of visiting him? He could’ve told him that those weren’t his words that were transcribed on the Uchiha tablet.
-Why was Hagoromo’s spirit conscious yet Indra’s and Ashura’s weren’t, despite being capable of reincarnating over centuries?
-Why didn’t BZ use Obito’s Kamui to warp away Sasuke’s Rinnegan Susano’o, or at least make holes in it so that light would flood into it?
-Why didn’t Madara’s Limbo clones tear apart Sasuke’s Susanoo while the latter was shielding the survivors?

Contribute your own​

 

[minamoto]

nice thread : most of them are really screw logic moments and why didn't scenerios..but not all of them :

forexemple :Why didn’t Black Zetsu just straight up tell Madara how to manifest the Rinnegan ...answer is...Madara wasn't like indra easy to manipulate and tempte...black zetsu never dared approach him so he needed to trick madara ...when mdaara poured his black will into Bobito...thats was black zetsus' first meeeting with Madara..

also :-Why didn’t BZ control teen Nagato to use Rinne-Tensei to resurrect Madara to capture the Bijuu? ...

becuz that was programmed to happen at a planned time and conditions...but becuz of naruto talknojutsuing nagato that didn't happen..

 

[salamander uchiha]

Some of them aren't screw logic.

Naruto being revived despite it being made clear that a Jin dies post extraction.

 

[Animegoin]

nice thread : most of them are really screw logic moments and why didn't scenerios..but not all of them :

forexemple :Why didn’t Black Zetsu just straight up tell Madara how to manifest the Rinnegan ...answer is...Madara wasn't like indra easy to manipulate and tempte...black zetsu never dared approach him so he needed to trick madara ...when mdaara poured his black will into Bobito...thats was black zetsus' first meeeting with Madara..

also :-Why didn’t BZ control teen Nagato to use Rinne-Tensei to resurrect Madara to capture the Bijuu? ...

becuz that was programmed to happen at a planned time and conditions...but becuz of naruto talknojutsuing nagato that didn't happen..

Thanks and I’d stated in the OP that the “why didn’t“ questions/scenarios are posted ignoring how they would’ve impacted the story, meaning that I don’t care how they would’ve altered the canon story. I’m just saying that it would’ve been smarter for those things to have happened.

Btw I know why Madara‘s resurrection was delayed, but if BZ had brought Madara back early...I doubt Madara would’ve waited to find a suitable host for his eyes then killed himself. Contrarily, he would’ve pursued the Tailed Beasts on his own with his renewed youth, which would’ve been a task completable in a week at best for Madara. Hell, he already captured the three tails as an old man clinging to life without his own eyes so the other bijuu would be just as easy.

Some of them aren't screw logic.

Naruto being revived despite it being made clear that a Jin dies post extraction.

Which ones?

Nice contribution, that ones debatable considering he never had a full tailed beast inside of him but you are right though.

 

[Clown World]

nice thread, im pretty sure naruto is impervious to genjutsu cus of kurama

 

[Animegoin]

nice thread, im pretty sure naruto is impervious to genjutsu cus of kurama

Thanks and even if Naruto + Kurama can break it, the attempt to use genjutsu should’ve been made. And since Sasuke’s Rinnegan blocked IT, I doubt that Naruto would be able to resist. Simply because Sasuke had fo shield Naruto & because Killer Bee fell victim to IT.

IT = Infinite Tsukuyomi

 

[Chihaya]

When Naruto, Kakashi and Gai figure out how Obito is able to fuze through objects, why Obitio just let them all talk amongst themselves and figure it out for a good 6 minutes straight without doing anything and then continues to answer their questions and just gives them all the time in the world to create plans.

 

[Animegoin]

When Naruto, Kakashi and Gai figure out how Obito is able to fuze through objects, why Obitio just let them all talk amongst themselves and figure it out for a good 6 minutes straight without doing anything and then continues to answer their questions and just gives them all the time in the world to create plans.

Nice contribution.

OT: I also want to add when Obito met up with Naruto prior to declaring war at the Kage Summit, he could’ve just kidnapped Naruto then and the war wouldn’t have had to happen.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Which ones?

Nice contribution, that ones debatable considering he never had a full tailed beast inside of him but you are right though.

Edo aren't solid mass they're ash so sound not affecting Itachi like it did Sauce(cells vibrating) isn't really screw logic.

Minato pulling SM from his ass was quite a poor showing then there's Minato not entering the pose to draw chakra. Anyway he has around Kakashi level chakra so his SM sucking isn't a biggy or screw logic.

Sasuke adding Bijuu chakra wasn't an issue he drew the chakra and used the Susanoo as a vessel to hold it. That's more of a chakra control feat coupled with pretapath if anything.

The Naruto one is a definite screw up. Zetsu made the statement knowing full well Naruto had 1/2 Kurama in him. Kushina had the ability to seal whole Kuram in herself again yet it wouldn't have prevented her death.

 

[Animegoin]

Edo aren't solid mass they're ash so sound not affecting Itachi like it did Sauce(cells vibrating) isn't really screw logic.

Minato pulling SM from his ass was quite a poor showing then there's Minato not entering the pose to draw chakra. Anyway he has around Kakashi level chakra so his SM sucking isn't a biggy or screw logic.

Sasuke adding Bijuu chakra wasn't an issue he drew the chakra and used the Susanoo as a vessel to hold it. That's more of a chakra control feat coupled with pretapath if anything.

The Naruto one is a definite screw up. Zetsu made the statement knowing full well Naruto had 1/2 Kurama in him. Kushina had the ability to seal whole Kuram in herself again yet it wouldn't have prevented her death.

Edo Tensei bodies are just like real bodies, which is why Itachi’s eyes still bled. His senses and everything were just the same as when he was alive minus the chakra strain, he has eardrums and everything. Plus Itachi was effected by jutsu initially.

You need large reserves to learn toad Sage, Minato’s chakra levels are beyond Kakashi’s, at face-value anyway. And he’s a perfect Sage just like Naruto, beyond Jiraiya. So Minato’s Sage mode being nerfed and him only using it for a split second made no sense whatsoever.

That wasn’t what I was conveying, Sasuke channeling the Bijuu’s chakra into an arrow was lazy and exhausted all of chakra needlessly. Hence the screw logic.

That‘s true but since he had half, then placing the other half back into him would solve the problem. Plus Hagoromo’s power was going to heal him anyway, much like how Naruto healed a deceased Obito.

 

[take it easy]

Naruto not killing Sauce before he absorbed bijuu chakra/not killing him after Kage Summit arc
Naruto didnt use TSB to protect himself from IT

 

[Animegoin]

Naruto not killing Sauce before he absorbed bijuu chakra/not killing him after Kage Summit arc
Naruto didnt use TSB to protect himself from IT

Yeah Naruto had many opportunities to neg Sauce; Nice contribution.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Edo Tensei bodies are just like real bodies, which is why Itachi’s eyes still bled. His senses and everything were just the same as when he was alive minus the chakra strain, he has eardrums and everything. Plus Itachi was effected by jutsu initially.

You need large reserves to learn toad Sage, Minato’s chakra levels are beyond Kakashi’s, at face-value anyway. And he’s a perfect Sage just like Naruto, beyond Jiraiya. So Minato’s Sage mode being nerfed and him only using it for a split second made no sense whatsoever.

That wasn’t what I was conveying, Sasuke channeling the Bijuu’s chakra into an arrow was lazy and exhausted all of chakra needlessly. Hence the screw logic.

That‘s true but since he had half, then placing the other half back into him would solve the problem. Plus Hagoromo’s power was going to heal him anyway, much like how Naruto healed a deceased Obito.

This is incorrect the bleeding was likely an error or Kishi not giving af. The Edo's are made of ash which is why they're flimsy and turn to ash and regenerate as ash and aren't real bodies. Their powers come from their soul andchakra which just regenerates. I personally think Kishi should've placed an upper limit like an Edo only has enough chakra volume as the sacrificed body or something, which constantly regenerates. That way the Edo wouldn't be OP and keep things more interesting/strategic battling.

The thing is Naruto was learning SM with 4 clones. Each one(Kakashi level chakra reserves) was absorbing natural energy and converting it to senjutsu. That alone proves somebody with Kakashi level chakra can learn SM. Remember Sakura was instantly able to walk up a tree because she had little chakra to control apply that principle to Minato's ass pulled SM. That is the reason Minato couldn't maintain it and admitted himself it was inferior.

I see where you're going with the Sasuke thing. I put that down to Kishi having a deadline tbh.

The other half wouldn't restore him because the full wouldn't restore Kushina. Essentially it's replacing 50% with 50% or 100% with 100%. Hogaromo also made it clear he couldn't do anything for him (revive him).

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Naruto wanted to be let our or rather revived as that's the only way he'd be getting out. And Hogaromo made it clear he can't affect that it's the one's outside (Obito).

That was really bad writing on Kishi's part.

 

[Uverdore9]

Nagato was Hagoromo's reincarnation; controlling him mentally is an impossibility.

Kamui can't warp Rikudo enhanced Susanoo just like Kakashi can't ghostify his Susano'o.

Madara doesn't have the Preta Path - he doesn't know the name of Nagato's absorption. He doesn't have any of the paths.

Tailed Beasts were a narrative device for the authorian intent or they probably encountered an Edo in thier lifetime. The key factor emphasized in that juncture when they said that, was "blood" and we are aware of the fact that lifeforce is contained in the blood; a hint to this fact being Uzumakis possessing high amounts of lifeforce and coincidently having thier hair dyed red symbolizing former. Lifeforce being a predominant factor of a person's overall power; the ANBUs' commenting how they (Edo Hashi and Tobi) were slowly regaining thier lifeforce -meaning- they were consequently gaining in strength, which goes in line with the fact that Orochimaru perfected the Edo Tensei.

Sasuke trapped them (WZs') in Genjutsu, with Itachi's eyes, the man hyped by the alliance HQ authorities regarding his supernatural Genjustu-control abilities on par with WZ's masquerading-sensor bypassing capabilities, and was thier only known theoretical explanation prior to the revelation of latter's play in the fact.

WZ not attacking Sasuke goes in line with the statement he made prior to engaging former. That "Itachi's power permeated all throughout his physique" upon transplanting latter's eyes. Probably warded off the Zetsu from overtaking former.

Limbo never used Ninjutsu to begin with. Learn what a nerf means. Something that happens which contradict's a fighter's pre established feats of power or capabilities; illogically. That's a nerf.

Kamui doesn't work on Juubi Jinchuurikis. Just like Kakashi couldn't warp Kaguya instead had to physically pierce through her directly.

Hashirama possess an inbuilt resistance to Genjutsu, + he possesses one of the powerful Genjutsu in the verse, that a master of illusions couldn't break (Hiruzen, who mastered 1000s of illusions, by Ebisu's words.).

RSM is basically a Jesus-Mode that asspulls it's way through anything; Naruto mastered flight without him even being aware of the fact. + instant comprehension of all things means he unconciously decipher's the loop-holes of said Genjutsu and break's out of it; unconciously, without being aware of the fact of course. The mode transcends the realm of logic and reason; he recreated Kakashi's eye without even being aware of the technicalities behind said recreation. IT is probably the only Genjutsu that could even remotely affect him as per canonical implication.

The Divine Tree required the individual life energy of it's victims, Edos don't have a physique; therefore no LE. Only the soul and ash as replacement for a physique.

Kyuubi Chakra Modes are unexplored poorly explained territory. Like asking how the Sages Tools came into being or the Nunoboko came into being. The design manifesting on cloak resembles the Uzumaki Clan Symbol and Sarada's MS; former of which being unexplored territory in of itself.

Gedo arm being decapitated means there's no existing link between the main body; given the thing by itself isn't a Bijū but just the shell and the concentration of the bijū chakra is located in the eye area; seeing as an eye appears when a bijuu is sealed and Kakashi thought ripping off it's skull meant it's dead, given the chakra that gave the thing some sort of conciousness, seperates from the main body, altering it into a lifeless doll in the process.

The Seals would seal her instantly hence why she backed off. A single touch is all
that's necessary to initiate said sealing.

Hagoromo giving powers doesn't necessarily mean he was at full power, just like Orochimaru isn't at full power even though he could distribute the Curse Marks throughout his subordinates, using said power Sasuke managed to even beat him - the originator of the power. In a similar fashion to how Jugo the progenitor of said Cursed Seal was former's subordinate.

Asura and Indra possess halves of Hagoromo's power hence they don't possess conciousness given latter is a higher-up Otsutsuki ability - a trait only replicated by Momoshiki, who is an elite and peer to latter. Former are diluted in Otsutsuki blood.

Obito was a sensor as a Jubi-Jinchuurikir; he probably retained the ability, or it could've been authorial intent.

Madara's Jubi Powers are a piss ant compared to RSM Conjuctioned with considerable Bijū Power because it's a supernatural mode that's used in conjunction with Bijuu powered attacks; whereas former is simply Jubi Senjutsu powered.

Sasuke sensed Naruto gathering a huge accumulation of Natural Energy; and the keyword here is "huge" -meaning- he had to retaliate with something even to balance out the impact or else he would've been overwhelmed by the resulting explosion going his way.

He thought BZ was his will; if latter had straight-up told him the underlying methods to achieve the Rinnegan, he'd simply be digging his own grave as he no longer can fool him into thinking he is indeed his will. He needed to manipulate the guy into achieving the IT Plan.

Madara's arsenal wasn't limited, it's simply the consequence of achieving a new power. Like Obito couldn't utilize Kamui because of the Jyubi inside him. Specific power accumulations give rise to specific power limitations, consequently - and it's not plot or any bullshit like that - but simply an in-verse consequence of wielding the technique or ability.

Edo Hashirama was not at full power as Madara explained; neither were Tobirama.

He (Hashirama) already has chakra greater than 2 Perfect Jinchuurikis (Minato, and Naruto.) and Kurama was stated to possess limitless amounts of chakra back in Pt.1. What'd gaining another set of unlimited chakra accomplish? Worthless to someone like him seeing as he sold the Bijū to the neighbouring lands to maintain peace.

Again, learn what a nerf means. Fukasaku flat out states Naruto surpassed every other Sage before him. A sillhoutte of Minato appears. So he can't have the same level of mastery as Pein Arc Naruto even.

RSM + Boil Release = Kaguya's .

Hagoromo couldn't personally visit him due to the Bijū Chakra not being accumulated into one place, in conjunction with Indra and Asura's Chakra, as per his own words.

Certain techniques in the Narutoverse elude chakra-absorption, e.g., Itachi's Amaterasu, Raikiri, Chidori, Six Paths techniques (Onyx Chidori, Sand Sealing Rasengan); RSM Rasenshurikens seems to be a part of that group.

Sasuke had Amaterasu; something BZ was scared of. Enton is also a threat to her Ice dimension. He's physically quicker, in addition.

Kaguya isn't capable of using it (Izanagi) because Hagoromo invented it.

OT: All of these wtf moments can be explained one way or the other, using in verse implications; and if it can't be, it's simply unexplored territory that'd be explained when it becomes relevant to plot.

 

[Animegoin]

This is incorrect the bleeding was likely an error or Kishi not giving af. The Edo's are made of ash which is why they're flimsy and turn to ash and regenerate as ash and aren't real bodies. Their powers come from their soul andchakra which just regenerates. I personally think Kishi should've placed an upper limit like an Edo only has enough chakra volume as the sacrificed body or something, which constantly regenerates. That way the Edo wouldn't be OP and keep things more interesting/strategic battling.

The thing is Naruto was learning SM with 4 clones. Each one(Kakashi level chakra reserves) was absorbing natural energy and converting it to senjutsu. That alone proves somebody with Kakashi level chakra can learn SM. Remember Sakura was instantly able to walk up a tree because she had little chakra to control apply that principle to Minato's ass pulled SM. That is the reason Minato couldn't maintain it and admitted himself it was inferior.

I see where you're going with the Sasuke thing. I put that down to Kishi having a deadline tbh.

The other half wouldn't restore him because the full wouldn't restore Kushina. Essentially it's replacing 50% with 50% or 100% with 100%. Hogaromo also made it clear he couldn't do anything for him (revive him).

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Naruto wanted to be let our or rather revived as that's the only way he'd be getting out. And Hogaromo made it clear he can't affect that it's the one's outside (Obito).

That was really bad writing on Kishi's part.

Error or not though, Itachi’s eyes still bled and Itachi covered his ears and squinted for Kabuto’s technique, that was authentic pain and thusly, eardrums. Edo Itachi also fell victim to genjutsu three times meaning that they also have a faux brain of some sort. You are right about them being composed of only ash but something allows them to perceive things. And ultimately its a “screw logic” considering that he was able to use Susano’o despite Sasuke not being able to sustain his. I agree that its was also screw logic for Edo Itachi’s eyes to bleed though.

That Minato logic I understand, although we don’t know if those clones had Kakashi level reserves...or at least I don’t recall that being stated. What we do know for a fact is that Fukasaku explicitly stated that only those with high chakra can learn toad Sage Mode. And going back to the original topic, there was no reason for Minato to not have been able to absorb nature energy faster in his BCM, while Naruto was able to do so. In fact, I’d think an Edo Tensei would’ve been able to gather NE a lot faster but this just proves my earlier point about the Edo Tensei having the same physical capabilities as their original bodies. Plus, Minato not using frog kata nor BSM are all nerds that shouldn’t have happened. Granted, Naruto didn’t use frog Kata at all in the War arc but you get my point.

Kishi’s deadline is more than likely to blame for Sasuke’s actions.

The problem with this scenario is that typically a bijuu extraction in the past was only for the changing of hosts, and therefore it was unlikely that one would try to reinsert the bijuu into that same host. Plus the Bijuu’s would be raging after being extracted and thusly lashing out and killing people until it was subdued. In Naruto’s case, the bijuu were docile and cooperative. Another thing to note is that Obito survived using the Rinne-tensei and having all of the Bijuu & the Gedo extracted from him by simply having BZ’s weak chakra to leech off of. Deceased Naruto was constantly receiving chakra from Sakura, plus the reintroduction of Kurama’s chakra and the introduction of Gyuki’s. Also in the OP, I’d already described how Hagoromo lied about not being able to do anything. And again, just like RSM Naruto reviving the deceased Obito, Hagoromo was capable of doing the same but on a greater scale.

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Nagato was Hagoromo's reincarnation; controlling him mentally is an impossibility.

Kamui can't warp Rikudo enhanced Susanoo just like Kakashi can't ghostify his Susano'o.

Madara doesn't have the Preta Path - he doesn't know the name of Nagato's absorption. He doesn't have any of the paths.

Tailed Beasts were a narrative device for the authorian intent or they probably encountered an Edo in thier lifetime. The key factor emphasized in that juncture when they said that, was "blood" and we are aware of the fact that lifeforce is contained in the blood; a hint to this fact being Uzumakis possessing high amounts of lifeforce and coincidently having thier hair dyed red symbolizing former. Lifeforce being a predominant factor of a person's overall power; the ANBUs' commenting how they (Edo Hashi and Tobi) were slowly regaining thier lifeforce -meaning- they were consequently gaining in strength, which goes in line with the fact that Orochimaru perfected the Edo Tensei.

Sasuke trapped them (WZs') in Genjutsu, with Itachi's eyes, the man hyped by the alliance HQ authorities regarding his supernatural Genjustu-control abilities on par with WZ's masquerading-sensor bypassing capabilities, and was thier only known theoretical explanation prior to the revelation of latter's play in the fact.

WZ not attacking Sasuke goes in line with the statement he made prior to engaging former. That "Itachi's power permeated all throughout his physique" upon transplanting latter's eyes. Probably warded off the Zetsu from overtaking former.

Limbo never used Ninjutsu to begin with. Learn what a nerf means. Something that happens which contradict's a fighter's pre established feats of power or capabilities; illogically. That's a nerf.

Kamui doesn't work on Juubi Jinchuurikis. Just like Kakashi couldn't warp Kaguya instead had to physically pierce through her directly.

Hashirama possess an inbuilt resistance to Genjutsu, + he possesses one of the powerful Genjutsu in the verse, that a master of illusions couldn't break (Hiruzen, who mastered 1000s of illusions, by Ebisu's words.).

RSM is basically a Jesus-Mode that asspulls it's way through anything; Naruto mastered flight without him even being aware of the fact. + instant comprehension of all things means he unconciously decipher's the loop-holes of said Genjutsu and break's out of it; unconciously, without being aware of the fact of course. The mode transcends the realm of logic and reason; he recreated Kakashi's eye without even being aware of the technicalities behind said recreation. IT is probably the only Genjutsu that could even remotely affect him as per canonical implication.

The Divine Tree required the individual life energy of it's victims, Edos don't have a physique; therefore no LE. Only the soul and ash as replacement for a physique.

Kyuubi Chakra Modes are unexplored poorly explained territory. Like asking how the Sages Tools came into being or the Nunoboko came into being. The design manifesting on cloak resembles the Uzumaki Clan Symbol and Sarada's MS; former of which being unexplored territory in of itself.

Gedo arm being decapitated means there's no existing link between the main body; given the thing by itself isn't a Bijū but just the shell and the concentration of the bijū chakra is located in the eye area; seeing as an eye appears when a bijuu is sealed and Kakashi thought ripping off it's skull meant it's dead, given the chakra that gave the thing some sort of conciousness, seperates from the main body, altering it into a lifeless doll in the process.

The Seals would seal her instantly hence why she backed off. A single touch is all
that's necessary to initiate said sealing.

Hagoromo giving powers doesn't necessarily mean he was at full power, just like Orochimaru isn't at full power even though he could distribute the Curse Marks throughout his subordinates, using said power Sasuke managed to even beat him - the originator of the power. In a similar fashion to how Jugo the progenitor of said Cursed Seal was former's subordinate.

Asura and Indra possess halves of Hagoromo's power hence they don't possess conciousness given latter is a higher-up Otsutsuki ability - a trait only replicated by Momoshiki, who is an elite and peer to latter. Former are diluted in Otsutsuki blood.

Obito was a sensor as a Jubi-Jinchuurikir; he probably retained the ability, or it could've been authorial intent.

Madara's Jubi Powers are a piss ant compared to RSM Conjuctioned with considerable Bijū Power because it's a supernatural mode that's used in conjunction with Bijuu powered attacks; whereas former is simply Jubi Senjutsu powered.

Sasuke sensed Naruto gathering a huge accumulation of Natural Energy; and the keyword here is "huge" -meaning- he had to retaliate with something even to balance out the impact or else he would've been overwhelmed by the resulting explosion going his way.

He thought BZ was his will; if latter had straight-up told him the underlying methods to achieve the Rinnegan, he'd simply be digging his own grave as he no longer can fool him into thinking he is indeed his will. He needed to manipulate the guy into achieving the IT Plan.

Madara's arsenal wasn't limited, it's simply the consequence of achieving a new power. Like Obito couldn't utilize Kamui because of the Jyubi inside him. Specific power accumulations give rise to specific power limitations, consequently - and it's not plot or any bullshit like that - but simply an in-verse consequence of wielding the technique or ability.

Edo Hashirama was not at full power as Madara explained; neither were Tobirama.

He (Hashirama) already has chakra greater than 2 Perfect Jinchuurikis (Minato, and Naruto.) and Kurama was stated to possess limitless amounts of chakra back in Pt.1. What'd gaining another set of unlimited chakra accomplish? Worthless to someone like him seeing as he sold the Bijū to the neighbouring lands to maintain peace.

Again, learn what a nerf means. Fukasaku flat out states Naruto surpassed every other Sage before him. A sillhoutte of Minato appears. So he can't have the same level of mastery as Pein Arc Naruto even.

RSM + Boil Release = Kaguya's .

Hagoromo couldn't personally visit him due to the Bijū Chakra not being accumulated into one place, in conjunction with Indra and Asura's Chakra, as per his own words.

Certain techniques in the Narutoverse elude chakra-absorption, e.g., Itachi's Amaterasu, Raikiri, Chidori, Six Paths techniques (Onyx Chidori, Sand Sealing Rasengan); RSM Rasenshurikens seems to be a part of that group.

Sasuke had Amaterasu; something BZ was scared of. Enton is also a threat to her Ice dimension. He's physically quicker, in addition.

Kaguya isn't capable of using it (Izanagi) because Hagoromo invented it.

OT: All of these wtf moments can be explained one way or the other, using in verse implications; and if it can't be, it's simply unexplored territory that'd be explained when it becomes relevant to plot.

Lmfao from that opening statement alone I knew you were going to spew headcanon. L and hold the fanfic. ??

 

[minamoto]

Thanks and I’d stated in the OP that the “why didn’t“ questions/scenarios are posted ignoring how they would’ve impacted the story, meaning that I don’t care how they would’ve altered the canon story. I’m just saying that it would’ve been smarter for those things to have happened.

Btw I know why Madara‘s resurrection was delayed, but if BZ had brought Madara back early...I doubt Madara would’ve waited to find a suitable host for his eyes then killed himself. Contrarily, he would’ve pursued the Tailed Beasts on his own with his renewed youth, which would’ve been a task completable in a week at best for Madara. Hell, he already captured the three tails as an old man clinging to life without his own eyes so the other bijuu would be just as easy.



Which ones?

Nice contribution, that ones debatable considering he never had a full tailed beast inside of him but you are right though.

Animegone...u r having good thinking and all...but if u don't believe in teh tobidara theory, u r gonna miss a big portion of truth about Madara uchiha and his mystery...

-for teh billionth times im telling you Madara was teh boss badass tobi...and i swear to god i ain't trolling about this nor am i joking..

 

[soretynha]

- Who the hell are Rock Lee's parents? And why does he look like Guy?

- The story is going well how about we put some fillers in between. This won't kill the hype.

- Let's use some birds to deliver the messages while we have technology because why not.

- Kaguya was a sensor-type and she had the byakugan, but Sakura somehow managed to surprise her.

- Some crazy party must have happened 11~12 years back because all the kids are the same age. Maybe they were celebrating the end of the great war. Lmao.

 

[Animegoin]

Animegone...u r having good thinking and all...but if u don't believe in teh tobidara theory, u r gonna miss a big portion of truth about Madara uchiha and his mystery...

-for teh billionth times im telling you Madara was teh boss badass tobi...and i swear to god i ain't trolling about this nor am i joking..

No, Minamatato, I refuse to believe in such...ideologies.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Error or not though, Itachi’s eyes still bled and Itachi covered his ears and squinted for Kabuto’s technique, that was authentic pain and thusly, eardrums. Edo Itachi also fell victim to genjutsu three times meaning that they also have a faux brain of some sort. You are right about them being composed of only ash but something allows them to perceive things. And ultimately its a “screw logic” considering that he was able to use Susano’o despite Sasuke not being able to sustain his. I agree that its was also screw logic for Edo Itachi’s eyes to bleed though.

That Minato logic I understand, although we don’t know if those clones had Kakashi level reserves...or at least I don’t recall that being stated. What we do know for a fact is that Fukasaku explicitly stated that only those with high chakra can learn toad Sage Mode. And going back to the original topic, there was no reason for Minato to not have been able to absorb nature energy faster in his BCM, while Naruto was able to do so. In fact, I’d think an Edo Tensei would’ve been able to gather NE a lot faster but this just proves my earlier point about the Edo Tensei having the same physical capabilities as their original bodies. Plus, Minato not using frog kata nor BSM are all nerds that shouldn’t have happened. Granted, Naruto didn’t use frog Kata at all in the War arc but you get my point.

Kishi’s deadline is more than likely to blame for Sasuke’s actions.

The problem with this scenario is that typically a bijuu extraction in the past was only for the changing of hosts, and therefore it was unlikely that one would try to reinsert the bijuu into that same host. Plus the Bijuu’s would be raging after being extracted and thusly lashing out and killing people until it was subdued. In Naruto’s case, the bijuu were docile and cooperative. Another thing to note is that Obito survived using the Rinne-tensei and having all of the Bijuu & the Gedo extracted from him by simply having BZ’s weak chakra to leech off of. Deceased Naruto was constantly receiving chakra from Sakura, plus the reintroduction of Kurama’s chakra and the introduction of Gyuki’s. Also in the OP, I’d already described how Hagoromo lied about not being able to do anything. And again, just like RSM Naruto reviving the deceased Obito, Hagoromo was capable of doing the same but on a greater scale.

They messed up with the Edo's anyway the soul or chakra is effected. Edo's experiencing pain when they're a pile of Ash is a bad joke.

Yes it was stated by Kakashi himself, Naruto made a shadow clone to add the wind Nature to the Rasengan. Kakashi said(paraphrased) neither he nor the 4th could do that because they dont have ample chakra like Naruto(4 times Kakashi's). In other words neither he nor Minato could form a shadow clone with sufficient chakra to add a nature. If we take Naruto dividing his chakra by 3 (one to form the Rasengan, one to shape it and one to add the nature). Minato as an upper limit would have less chakra than 1/3 of Naruto because Naruto could use this method to use Rasen shuriken multiple times. I don't want to get too technical with this.

As for the final point no, since Sakura wasn't pumping him with chakra she was giving him CPR. BZ being weak or not doesn't matter since he is immortal and his chakra quanity is also unknown. Hogaromo didn't lie he had no reason to lie. He only had the power to ass pull and hand out ass pulls. Anyway Naruto didn't save his life Obito was still dying he was temporarily stabilized. The reintroduction of chakra won't save a person and a fraction of Gyuki's wouldn't make any difference either. Kurama gave the plan to Gaara to transfer the other half to save him so Gyuki played no part in his revival. It was clearly bad writing by Kishimoto who shat on his own established rules.

 

[minamoto]

No, Minamatato, I refuse to believe in such...ideologies.

Nikkka u wanna be a victim of kishimoto's genjutsu then be it so...but dont say minamoto didn't try to save me...now have fun being kishimoto's victim of kishimoto's Bobito illuzion..