Possibly my first and last thread ever

[SumnNarutoRelated]

So, ive been lurking on this site for about a year reading through pages and pages of users responses and threads that ive come to enjoy. Some of you mofo's are hilarious mang.

ah, anyway, there's been many times ive come very close to wanting to create an account mostly to speak on a lot of abstract things in Naruto thats hardly discussed here, most of which eludes me right now. Gome gome (sry sry)

However, ive come to rely on the members from this site to provide constant, consistent, sound, reasonable and RATIONAL opinions which seems to be dwindling more and more as the days pass.

Due to this dynamic i feel that my hands been forced in a way with this whole Kakashi PS Susanoo mess. Opinions are opinions at the end of the day so i dont expect mine to hold any more weight than any other but one thing has become clear: A lot of them, opinions that is, on this site are unbelievably asinine.

Some people seem to think Kishi did us dirty by granting Kakashi the ability to use PS and everything associated with that (how he got it, etc)

Heres the thing:

The existence of Obito's PS: For those who are saying its an asspull because he has one and the fact even most pure blooded Uchihas dont have is a ridiculous claim. Susanoo is super rare even amongst Uchiha. Obito is somewhat of a Golden Child amongst Uchiha. There are great ones and fodder ones just like any other clan or group of people anywhere. So him having the ability to have a PS (or at least in this case, give someone a PS) is completely justified and puts him in a category of special Uchiha along with Madara, Itachi, Sasuke etc.

Obito being able to leave the after life to reach Kakashi: Again, it seems to be that Obito is one of the most rarest Uchiha's to ever exist. The Kamui ability is a jutsu that not only we know absolutely nothing about, but its powers it literally unlike ANY other jutsu. Sure, its put in a S/T category but thats just other shinobi trying to make sense of something that they dont really understand. So its not that far-fetched to believe that Obito, a man who possesses chakra like every other ninja, can use that very chakra (that stays with him even in the afterlife) to power this inexplicable Kamui ability to do things that no one has ever really seen. Obito, or at least Kamui, is really that special/rare. It even has some relationship with Kaguya's abilities

Kakashi having the ability to use PS: ill keep this brief. Kakashi is a super talented shinobi on his own. He doesnt need to have a Uchiha body, he has OBITO'S CHAKRA. not his EYES. Not his BODY. HIS. CHAKRA. He definitely needed a Uchiha body to properly use the Sharingan he received from Obito all those years ago same as Danzo needed Hashi's cells to wield all of those Sharingan on his arm. But, Kakashi's own extraordinary talents, (he can use the Rasengan, he mastered his Sharingan, he's the Copy ninja, he has more than 2 element types, etc) coupled with Obito's chakra which grants him DMS, allowing him to being able to use PS Susanoo makes sense. Not perfect sense but sense

These arent asspulls, this is kishi using the elements and foundations he created when he made his manga to allow the things he wants to occur within his story to occur within the Naruto world and logic. Him now possessing a PS using Obito's chakra is not far-fetched at all

Put it like this, if Kakashi Hatake was born Kakashi Uchiha, he would probably be more skilled than Itachi. But thats another thread ;-)

 

[Psy]

Kakashi thread #3900.

OT: It makes sense, but I'm not liking the thought of Kakashi being Godly. It just doesn't suit his personality.

 

[Gamaken]

I agree. Edo tensei is just summoning souls back from the dimension of the dead, and Obito has already shown that his Kamui can access multiple dimensions.

 

[Darth Vader]

Despite it being another Kakashi thread, it's a good read. Good job.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

For future if you decide to make a thread, atleast put pictures and emoji to make it fun to read.

This is why I am still in the Academy. Thank you Senpai

 

[OWanime]

nice post man xd at least you actually make sense obitois definitely special and kakashi had a lot of potential even before he got the sharingan so I don't find this new found power to be ridiculous

 

[AGoodBoy]

You should see some of the flaws in your opinion.


1) Why is Obito a "Super rare/gifted" uchiha as you stated?
Was he a genius at birth? No, he was average.
Was his parents some super gifted uchiha? Not as far as we know since he was a flunky.
Is he the transmigrate of someone special? No.

So, why, out of all the gifted uchiha is obito somehow the only one who got an S/T and can manifest a PS without EMS? He didn't just manifest a Susano'o, which in it's own right is super rare, he manifested a perfect susano'o which is far rarer. Think about that.

2) Kakashi body was stated to be incapable of handling even the sharingan in pt1. pt1 was 3 years ago(NV time) and just activating his sharingan caused kakashi to go into a 1 week coma and that after he already had his sharingan for over 15 years.
Skip to part 2 up to the pain arc, the consistency of Kakashi's sharingan is somewhat the same. However, now, Kakashi is also able to use the MS but it still sends his body into a coma and is very taxing on him; During the pain arc, after using a few jutsu his body was incapable of using kamui without him dying. Against deidara, one kamui exhausted him.
Now, Skip to the current arc. These events are occuring less than a year from the pain arc; In fact, pain's evasion was a few months if not a few weeks prior; yet after 2 days of fighting kakashi's body can still handle PS. Think about that.

3) Kamui on a whole is somehow the greatest S/T out. Kaguya ate the fruit from the god tree itself which is what gave every shinobi chakra, yet obito's kamui seems on par with her S/T, even being able to link with it? What's been so special about obito for him to be, literally, the only person in NV history to get a jutsu like that which can suddenly also cross the after life? Which manga page, panel, DB entry or conversation implies in anyway that Obito's unique to any other uchiha? Hint, there is no entry; Obito just got some convenient jutsu at a convenient time, which gets convenient upgrades as required. Think about that.

4) Obito nor Kakashi has ever, ever, ever used susano'o. Neither of these guys had both Kamui for more than an hour. Now, ask yourself, how can kakashi summon a PS without ever summoning any lower version? How can Obito summon a PS without ever summoning any lower version? How do they know how to stabilize and control that mass of chakra right off the bat. The lame excuse that "Obito's special" doesn't suffice because it's never been implied or hinted that he was anything but ordinary. Even naruto, someone who's more special that obito(genius parents, transmigration) doesn't get such blatantly illogical treatment. When was the last time naruto pulled out some convenient jutsu that's never been heard of or hinted at? never because all he uses is rasenshuriken varients, shadow clones and sheer speed. Think about that.

Kishi should rename the show Obito because Obito gets the most special treatment no matter how much logic or rules of the manga it has to break.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Obito was never considered "special",in fact he was the Naruto of the Uchiha clan.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

You should see some of the flaws in your opinion.


1) Why is Obito a "Super rare/gifted" uchiha as you stated?
Was he a genius at birth? No, he was average.
Was his parents some super gifted uchiha? Not as far as we know since he was a flunky.
Is he the transmigrate of someone special? No.

So, why, out of all the gifted uchiha is obito somehow the only one who got an S/T and can manifest a PS without EMS? He didn't just manifest a Susano'o, which in it's own right is super rare, he manifested a perfect susano'o which is far rarer. Think about that.

2) Kakashi body was stated to be incapable of handling even the sharingan in pt1. pt1 was 3 years ago(NV time) and just activating his sharingan caused kakashi to go into a 1 week coma and that after he already had his sharingan for over 15 years.
Skip to part 2 up to the pain arc, the consistency of Kakashi's sharingan is somewhat the same. However, now, Kakashi is also able to use the MS but it still sends his body into a coma and is very taxing on him; During the pain arc, after using a few jutsu his body was incapable of using kamui without him dying. Against deidara, one kamui exhausted him.
Now, Skip to the current arc. These events are occuring less than a year from the pain arc; In fact, pain's evasion was a few months if not a few weeks prior; yet after 2 days of fighting kakashi's body can still handle PS. Think about that.

3) Kamui on a whole is somehow the greatest S/T out. Kaguya ate the fruit from the god tree itself which is what gave every shinobi chakra, yet obito's kamui seems on par with her S/T, even being able to link with it? What's been so special about obito for him to be, literally, the only person in NV history to get a jutsu like that which can suddenly also cross the after life? Which manga page, panel, DB entry or conversation implies in anyway that Obito's unique to any other uchiha? Hint, there is no entry; Obito just got some convenient jutsu at a convenient time, which gets convenient upgrades as required. Think about that.

4) Obito nor Kakashi has ever, ever, ever used susano'o. Neither of these guys had both Kamui for more than an hour. Now, ask yourself, how can kakashi summon a PS without ever summoning any lower version? How can Obito summon a PS without ever summoning any lower version? How do they know how to stabilize and control that mass of chakra right off the bat. The lame excuse that "Obito's special" doesn't suffice because it's never been implied or hinted that he was anything but ordinary. Even naruto, someone who's more special that obito(genius parents, transmigration) doesn't get such blatantly illogical treatment. When was the last time naruto pulled out some convenient jutsu that's never been heard of or hinted at? never because all he uses is rasenshuriken varients, shadow clones and sheer speed. Think about that.

Kishi should rename the show Obito because Obito gets the most special treatment no matter how much logic or rules of the manga it has to break.

Obito is only special because of his super unique ability. thats what i was implying.

Kakashi is an expert fighter. He had years of experience using Kamui so creating Susanoo with two Kamui wasnt that hard.

Madara used Kamui the instant he got it when he took it from Kakashi eventhough hes never had it before. Stop underestimating these shinobi's talents

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Great post, can't believe I read it all. We need more threads like this to bring the base back out of the dark side. You can see brains dying each week when a character gets a power up. I feel there pain I really do. That is why I will continue to believe in Narujesus and hope one day that he brings peace to this site other than his world to. We need to end this continious chain of hatered within people's hearts and make them see peace with Kishi.