[Theory] Possibility of Naruto and Sasuke being reincarnations of Hagoromo and Hamura. Part 2!

[Kirby1]

Now before anyone replies to this thread! Let me point out several things, namely the difference between reincarnation and transmigration!

1. Naruto and Sasuke are NOT the actual reincarnations of Ashura and Indra! Otherwise, if that were the case Hashirama and Madara would not have been able to come back via Edo-Tensei, thus Naruto and Sasuke would not have been able to meet those two at all given that they would have been their reincarnations as well.

2. Ashura and Indra's Chakra went into other people throughout the generations, I.E. Transmigration. But their actual souls did not migrate into other people throughout the generations, I.E. Reincarnation.

3. The reason why Hagoromo appeared in front of the Hokage in the latest chapter is because the lower half of Madara's body contained some of Hagoromo's chakra. In other words, that was not actually Hagoromo that appeared, but an imprint of his chakra!

MAIN TOPIC:

Given the events of the latest two chapters. It appears that Kishi is forshadowing Naruto and Sasuke being the reincarnations of Hagoromo and Hamura.

Personally I think that they are the reincarnations of Hagoromo and Hamura, especially given what Black Zetzu said about Naruto and Sasuke and how "if the transmigration is strong enough, then you will be able to see him." and "We must go back to our mother, the almighty god" and "Your mother is the proginator of all chakra.".

That forshadows and signifies that Naruto and Sasuke actually are the reincarnations of Hagoromo and Hamura. Only the difference is that Hagoromo and Hamura can talk to their reincarnations.

Also, given that part of Hagoromo's staff looked exactly like the staff that Hamura was wielding when they battled against the Juubi, I would say that Hamura died and gave Hagoromo some of his chakra as a result. If you take a closer look at the panel, you will notice that Hagoromo didn't have the other half of the staff. Hamura's staff looked exactly like the other half of Hagoromo's staff, which further incates that Hamura gave his remaining chakra to Hagoromo. On top of that, as stated above, the reason Hagoromo why could talk to both Naruto and Sasuke at the same time because that floating chakra was actually Hagoromo's chakra imprint! Hence the reason why he was able to meet the Edo Hokage.

Part of my theory is that Hagoromo's actual soul is Naruto's actual soul, thus he is not only floating chakra, but also Naruto's previous incarnation. Same goes with Hamura's actual soul being Sasuke's actual soul! That actually would make a lot of sense! I wouldn't be surprised if my theory gets proven correct in the near future!

What do you all think? Could Naruto and Sasuke truly be the reincarnations of Hagoromo and Hamura? Kaguya's actual children?? That would be awesome!

 

[Slowpoke]

no, they're Indra and Ashura's reincarnations

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[FreeTanner17]

I'm positive that the so6p Hagoromo would know better than you. They are Indra and ashura's incarnations

 

[Kirby1]

no, they're Indra and Ashura's reincarnations

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Re-read the first two points of my thread before the main topic and then reply!

 

[Kirby1]

I'm positive that the so6p Hagoromo would know better than you. They are Indra and ashura's incarnations

Same thing I said to slowpoke, re-read the first 3 points of my post!

 

[LordNarutoSo6P]

Interesting! It seems plausible bruh. :hooray:

 

[KRZYNASTY]

1. Naruto and Sasuke are NOT the actual reincarnations of Ashura and Indra! Otherwise, if that were the case Hashirama and Madara would not have been able to come back via Edo-Tensei, thus Naruto and Sasuke would not have been able to meet those two at all given that they would have been their reincarnations as well.

As you can see, Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura, which means, Sasuke is Indra's.

Enjoy.

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[Kirby1]

As you can see, Naruto is the reincarnation of Ashura, which means, Sasuke is Indra's.

Enjoy.

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Mangapanda isn't exactly the most accurate out of the two translations. Here are two pages from *********** that is more accurate!

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As you can see! The manga clearly states that Ashura and Indra's CHAKRA was reborn throughout the ages. NOT their actual souls!. Thus my theory on Hagoromo and Hamura sharing the same SOULS as Naruto and Sasuke might still hold credibility.

 

[Ultimateone]

your wrong, in the old picture before we saw the actual events, hogoromo only had one end of his staff. but when we got the actual story, we see that he indeed had both parts of the staff(sun and moon). on the other hand, hamura had something that resembled a bird. also there are no true reincarnations, at least in the way we think it. their chakra is their lifeforce/soul, which they are able to manipulate in various was. due to the nature of chakra, there could be multiple individuals with someones chakra inside them. which is how the tailed beast are inside naruto and the gedo mazo/madara/kaguya at the same time. this is also how naruto and sasuke met the sage at the same time, or how minato put his chakra inside naruto while also having his chakra/soul inside the shinigami.

so in a sense the are in fact the reincarnations of ashura and indra as they have their chakra/soul inside them. as reincarnation does not make you a carbon copy of the original, in theory anyways as we have no proof of how actual reincarnation would work if it is true.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Still eludes to the fact that both him and Sasuke are actual reincarnations of Ashura and Indra.

You state that they CANNOT be reincarnations because both Madara and Hashirama came back as Edo's, but that isn't the case. Because Madara and Hashirama died before Naruto and Sasuke were born it allowed Ashura and Indra to be reincarnated perfectly into their new host, both soul and chakra. The fact that those two (Madara and Hashirama) were brought back to the living world wouldn't change the fact that the soul and chakra of Ashura and Indra moved to their new host. Just because those two came back doesn't mean it had to effect the new vessels of Ashura and Indra, if it did, then I doubt Kishi would have had it that way.

Furthermore, when Ninjutsu was created a person's chakra and soul was meshed together to accomplish this. Because those two are now connected, it goes without saying that both the chakra and soul of Ashura and Indra went along with it.

TL;DR - Still reincarnations.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Then explain how hagoromo's soul was able to talk to naruto & sasuke? wouldn't it be inside of naruto? :|
As much as i wanted naruto to be the reincarnation of hagoromo. He sadly isn't.

 

[Kirby1]

your wrong, in the old picture before we saw the actual events, hogoromo only had one end of his staff. but when we got the actual story, we see that he indeed had both parts of the staff(sun and moon). on the other hand, hamura had something that resembled a bird. also there are no true reincarnations, at least in the way we think it. their chakra is their lifeforce/soul, which they are able to manipulate in various was. due to the nature of chakra, there could be multiple individuals with someones chakra inside them. which is how the tailed beast are inside naruto and the gedo mazo/madara/kaguya at the same time. this is also how naruto and sasuke met the sage at the same time, or how minato put his chakra inside naruto while also having his chakra/soul inside the shinigami.

so in a sense the are in fact the reincarnations of ashura and indra as they have their chakra/soul inside them. as reincarnation does not make you a carbon copy of the original, in theory anyways as we have no proof of how actual reincarnation would work if it is true.

Chakra has not been proven to be the same thing as one's soul! By that logic, it would be safe to assume that Hiruzen never went to the afterlife at all and instead would have been trapped within the Shingami. Same with Minato. Hence that logic of yours makes no sense.

Also, where did you get that idea that Hamura's staff looks like a bird?

 

[Kirby1]

Then explain how hagoromo's soul was able to talk to naruto & sasuke? wouldn't it be inside of naruto? :|
As much as i wanted naruto to be the reincarnation of hagoromo. He sadly isn't.

As I said before, the reason why is because that was a chakra imprint of Hagoromo and not actually him. Same reason why the Edo Hokage got to see him. When Hashirama began reviving Madara, both the Senju and Uchiha chakra merged and awakened Hagoromo's chakra so an imprint of him appeared.

 

[Kirby1]

Still eludes to the fact that both him and Sasuke are actual reincarnations of Ashura and Indra.

You state that they CANNOT be reincarnations because both Madara and Hashirama came back as Edo's, but that isn't the case. Because Madara and Hashirama died before Naruto and Sasuke were born it allowed Ashura and Indra to be reincarnated perfectly into their new host, both soul and chakra. The fact that those two (Madara and Hashirama) were brought back to the living world wouldn't change the fact that the soul and chakra of Ashura and Indra moved to their new host. Just because those two came back doesn't mean it had to effect the new vessels of Ashura and Indra, if it did, then I doubt Kishi would have had it that way.

Furthermore, when Ninjutsu was created a person's chakra and soul was meshed together to accomplish this. Because those two are now connected, it goes without saying that both the chakra and soul of Ashura and Indra went along with it.

TL;DR - Still reincarnations.

Same thing I told Ultimateone...

Chakra has NOT been proven to be the same thing as one's soul! By that logic, it would be safe to assume that Hiruzen never went to the afterlife at all and instead would have been trapped within the Shingami. Same with Minato. Hence that logic of yours makes no sense.

 

[Shinato]

Naruto and Sasuke are the incarnations of Ashura and Indra. Hagoromo stated so, Kaguya stated so and Naruto was aware of it. Reincarnation means that someone is reborn within the body of another person. Ashura was reborn within Naruto and thus his chakra is present. Chakra is the spiritual power of humans, their soul. Hagoromo stated that he know only exists as chakra, and he is a soul at this point.

 

[Shinato]

Same thing I told Ultimateone...

Chakra has NOT been proven to be the same thing as one's soul! By that logic, it would be safe to assume that Hiruzen never went to the afterlife at all and instead would have been trapped within the Shingami. Same with Minato. Hence that logic of yours makes no sense.

Minato,Hiruzen,Tobirama and Hashirama were all trapped within the Shinigami, or so their spirits were. That is why Sasuke needed Orochimaru to cut up the belly of the Shinigami, so that their souls could return to the afterlife and from there be revived through the Edo Tensei. (Edo Tensei binds the soul from the afterlife with a body in the real world. If the spirit is not within the afterlife, they cannot be bound to a body. Such as being sealed inside the Shinigami.)

 

[Seventh Sama]

Same thing I told Ultimateone...

Chakra has NOT been proven to be the same thing as one's soul! By that logic, it would be safe to assume that Hiruzen never went to the afterlife at all and instead would have been trapped within the Shingami. Same with Minato. Hence that logic of yours makes no sense.

What the hell do you think chakra is made up of? :|

 

[sasui]

nice theory now every thing is making sense. perhaps.

 

[Shinato]

Another fault in your thread is that Naruto and Sasuke talked with the spirit of Hagoromo. Making it impossible that either one of them to be the reincarnation of Hagoromo.

 

[Angelic.]

nope.
and hago had the full sun moon staff when fighting juubi.