Poll: Should Obito Live or Die?

[SUPERDEADLYKING]

LOOL i know right =D

 

[senjusana]

I think Obito deserves to live as he has realized the crimes that he has committed.And has redeemed himself.He should now protect the village and its people.He can die while doing so.

 

[AlphaScythian]

@byron

Rofl minato was oblivious to whole uchiha problem how could he save the world with such ignorance even if he lived?

No hashi hasnt offered peace b4. Madara was about to accept it if not for his wounded brother.
Peace proposal earlier had even more chances of success due to lower number of deceased.
And yeah hashi should have kept the beasts. Giving it to others is potential disaster as they had no mokuton or sharingan to control them and seals are dependant on jins. What would happen if 3rd raikage failed to stop hachibi? No more kumo right? It also didnt exclude possibility of others fighting among themselves.

I already said that IT was not what promised i bet obito wouldnt want to turn people into zetsu and could opt for nagato plan.

And who are the responsibles for wwii? Hitler? Well aint he dead? Doesnt gernamy still get shamed for it? Who was responsible for wwi? Who was responsible for napoleon conquest?
Punishing agressors wouldnt do much, new ones would arise hard lesson was the only realistic option.
At any rate i find bankers responsible but we cant punish them

 

[Byron123]

@byron

Rofl minato was oblivious to whole uchiha problem how could he save the world with such ignorance even if he lived?

No hashi hasnt offered peace b4. Madara was about to accept it if not for his wounded brother.
Peace proposal earlier had even more chances of success due to lower number of deceased.
And yeah hashi should have kept the beasts. Giving it to others is potential disaster as they had no mokuton or sharingan to control them and seals are dependant on jins. What would happen if 3rd raikage failed to stop hachibi? No more kumo right? It also didnt exclude possibility of others fighting among themselves.

I already said that IT was not what promised i bet obito wouldnt want to turn people into zetsu and could opt for nagato plan.

And who are the responsibles for wwii? Hitler? Well aint he dead? Doesnt gernamy still get shamed for it? Who was responsible for wwi? Who was responsible for napoleon conquest?
Punishing agressors wouldnt do much, new ones would arise hard lesson was the only realistic option.
At any rate i find bankers responsible but we cant punish them

Show me a scan which proves that Minato was oblivious to Uchiha problem, that's just a biased opinion.
Just because we didn't see Hashi offering peace on panel before, that doesn't mean automatically that that is how it really happened. Just, as I said before, the moment we see him offering it was crucial because of Izuna's death and it was like saying "you saw what happened because of the fact that you wanted to keep fighting, are you willing to continue even after that?". He could have offered it in the past and just like this time, Madara woudn't have accepted.

Also, you seriously believe that the 5 big countries wouldn't have found methods to tame the Bijuu and they would just let them roam free in their villages? -__- That's just plain stupid. Besides, you lose the point here. Hashirama had two choices: 1) to become dictator and force his own peace till he dies, 2) by giving the Bijuu to the other countries as a proof of good will showing that way that even if he's the strongest one, he's willing to make concessions aiming at worldwide stability. And one more thing, who tells you that the 4 countries wouldn't cooperate against Konoha because of the fear it posed? That would have caused another war back then but by giving them, maybe Hashi avoided it.


The motives of a person can be taken into consideration but up to a point. Even if Obito didn't want that, it still doesn't change the fact that he had caused another world war with thousands of casualties.

As for the second world war, if you think that just a person can be responsible for such a big distruction you're completely wrong. For something like this, you also need collaborators and all of them were executed. And here we return to the basic idea of this thread: Those who were responsible for that war, after their defeat, they were executed and yet you just propose that Obito should not be treated in the same way only because he had good volition.


Also, what you said about agressors is completely insane, so since it won't do much just let them be as if they didn't do nothing. You may be right about new ones arising but when such extreme measures are taken against a criminal then that number will be smaller. Fear is a powerful weapon. Besides, if we generalise your idea then screw the whole legal system and let anarchy conquer.

 

[babajara0102]

He should live,of course.

 

[Djokovic]

He's boring and slows down the story progression. He can live as long as they dont show him in the manga. I doubt many ppl would miss such a crybaby.

 

[Sageof7Path]

He should die once he provides his help to Naruto.

Him dying won't help the storyline it will just be another bull shit anime cliché and judging by your posts you are not a hard core Obito fan.

 

[Byron123]

Him dying won't help the storyline it will just be another bull shit anime cliché and judging by your posts you are not a hard core Obito fan.

Lol I am but but I'm also an objectivist. I truly respect his reasoning and his actions but I also understand that he can't simply be left unpunished after all he did. And him dying is not a matter of helping the storyline but rather to keep it realistic. Are you seriously telling me that a person who caused a war and especially a world war can just live with that without getting punished?

I'm a fan, not a fanboy, that's the difference. I know when one's role comes to an end and I don't desperately try to keep him alive at all cost by harming the plot.

 

[AlphaScythian]

@byron

Show me a scan of minato knowing about uchiha issue. If he did its even worse. No ****ing actions taken such savior.

As i said madara was about to accept peace but izuna butt in saying no then it was to late. Hashi should've proposed it much sooner.

And why do you think it would be konoha dictatorship if hashi kept the beast? Its retarded do we live under dictatorship nuclear club countries now? Thats what basically hashi did, gave everyone nukes. You call it peace solution?Cmon. And there is nothing other nations would do vs 9 beasts and konoha.

I already explained that obito in long run would save more lives then killed by preventing constant conflicts., but you just ignore this fact due to injustice for some families, like we all have it just or ever did. In fact had he not started this war nations wouldnt unite and shit and naruto woould be no savior but still 5min sm user.
Same shit goes for wwii. Did you know that germany was charged with huge price tag for wwii??? And im not even mentioning how shamed they feel and get cuz we still remember.
What did you expect us to do? Exterminate them?

 

[Byron123]

@byron

Show me a scan of minato knowing about uchiha issue. If he did its even worse. No ****ing actions taken such savior.

As i said madara was about to accept peace but izuna butt in saying no then it was to late. Hashi should've proposed it much sooner.

And why do you think it would be konoha dictatorship if hashi kept the beast? Its retarded do we live under dictatorship nuclear club countries now? Thats what basically hashi did, gave everyone nukes. You call it peace solution?Cmon. And there is nothing other nations would do vs 9 beasts and konoha.

I already explained that obito in long run would save more lives then killed by preventing constant conflicts., but you just ignore this fact due to injustice for some families, like we all have it just or ever did. In fact had he not started this war nations wouldnt unite and shit and naruto woould be no savior but still 5min sm user.
Same shit goes for wwii. Did you know that germany was charged with huge price tag for wwii??? And im not even mentioning how shamed they feel and get cuz we still remember.
What did you expect us to do? Exterminate them?

As for Minato, we don't even know about how much time he was in authority. Jiraya had poined out that he had died too early after he became hokage so he might not have time to fix anything.

Again, just because the first time we see Hashi proposing a peace truce is at Izuna's death doesn't mena that it was indeed the first time. He could have tried in the past, off panel, but Kishi decided to point us out this specific time to connect it with the results of an ongoing war. Why do you keep disregarding this possibility?


If Hashi had kept the Bijuu then eventually it would turn out into that. Even if Hashi wasn't willing to do that, then certainly his successors, Tobirama was a more practical mind and not such an idealist. And as I said, the other 4 countries could have allied against Konoha seeing its growing strength ending up in another world war. As for the nuclear clubs no because now most big countries have such weapons and so everyone is afraid of doing the beginning because they will end up as the targets. But in Hashi's case, exactly because he had got all the power, all the 9 bijuu! it would be possible for him to act as a dictator since they're wouldn't be equally strong forces.

I didn't ingore what you said about Obito, I'm asking you a basic question which you in contrast keep disregarding. You perfectly pointed out Hitler's end being the cause of the second world war and I ask you if Obito should be forgiven after all his criminals only because of his good volition. And let me tell you one more thing, IT, even if wasn't turning people into zetsu, eventually it would stop human's reprodcution since everyone would be under a dream and that's only if we take as a fact that they would somehow survive because of the Shinju, if not it would be a mass murder.

He might have suceeded in unitying them but the result remains the same, he caused thousands of deaths. Same goes for Hitler, he "united" Europe, at least under circumstances, and he ended up dead. Also, I'm not talking about such extreme and irrational things such as the death of a whole country because of the actions of one person, but rather the death of the responsible ones for what happened, and in narutoverse it was Obito who caused that war. You can say that in the end it was other reasons that would cause it eventually but this doesn't change the fact that Obito was the one who at the end did it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

still going with minato? No he couldnt save the world he couldnt even save his wife.

Im opposed to possibility of hashi proposing peace b4 cuz madara most likely would have accepted as he wanted to. It was within his character at that time. He wanted to co exist and save his brother.

So what if other nations would unite vs konoha? Would they be stupid to wage war they couldnt win? dont you see how hard it ia for SA vs Obito and co? It would be worse vs konoha.
Hashirama having option to dictate the world is not even an argument. Like wtf why wont nuclear countries just enslave others goin by same logic ffs.

Obito should live cuz he did a favor to the world.
It is clearly seen once you look at bigger picture and dont count in goners but those whom were saved in the future from constant war.
And no the roots from IT could very well provide nutrition for people. And just like it happens in matrix some form of reproduction could be achived too, chakra makes wonders in NV.

Also hitler is bad example here better would be chinese imperator who united warring chinese states into one piece for so long now.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

The story could go either way, and I am not gonna whine regardless of the outcome.

 

[Byron123]

still going with minato? No he couldnt save the world he couldnt even save his wife.

Im opposed to possibility of hashi proposing peace b4 cuz madara most likely would have accepted as he wanted to. It was within his character at that time. He wanted to co exist and save his brother.

So what if other nations would unite vs konoha? Would they be stupid to wage war they couldnt win? dont you see how hard it ia for SA vs Obito and co? It would be worse vs konoha.
Hashirama having option to dictate the world is not even an argument. Like wtf why wont nuclear countries just enslave others goin by same logic ffs.

Obito should live cuz he did a favor to the world.
It is clearly seen once you look at bigger picture and dont count in goners but those whom were saved in the future from constant war.
And no the roots from IT could very well provide nutrition for people. And just like it happens in matrix some form of reproduction could be achived too, chakra makes wonders in NV.

Also hitler is bad example here better would be chinese imperator who united warring chinese states into one piece for so long now.

Okay I think we reached a dead end, you have your opinion and I have mine, have a nice day

 

[Howling Fox]

die a horrible painful death like falling into lava. or raep with a chainsaw.