Poll: Biggest asspull in the the manga?

[U mAd]

Yeah this was an asspull but naruto is a manga full with asspulls almost every power up naruto and sasuke get's are asspulls.they obtain it without any training or hard work.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

You can't say something is off-screen who agrees?

 

[WolfHaley]

No where did Obito say this. He said "Chakra is the power that connects these two worlds" meaning that chakra is still a medium in the afterworld or at least, that bridge point between the two worlds which Rin was waiting in. Obito is the only one with Kamui meaning he's the only one that could teleport to the living world.

Doesn't take away from my point. He said chakra is the connection, meaning chakra is all you need to bridge the two worlds. Coupling this with the other context clue of Rin saying hurry up makes it clear Kamui was a choice, not a necessity. If Kamui was the only way, why would Rin bother saying hurry up? She said she was watching Obito, so she should know how fast Kamui is. You could say she didn't know Kamui is the only way across, but if that were the case, she wouldn't know crossing is even possible and be able to say "So you're going", as Kamui seemingly originated with Obito.

 

[WolfHaley]

I am talking about the time period between itachi's fight and killer b's fight but you talking about afterwards when ge was about to fight danzou, like I said we saw team hebi alot of Times in early part 2but yet we didn't sasuke training even once after he defeated oro

Just because we didn't see it happen, doesn't mean it didn't. We never saw Hashirama die. We never saw Tobirama's coronation. We never saw Obito's birth. But we know they happened.

 

[Avani]

Yeah this was an asspull but naruto is a manga full with asspulls almost every power up naruto and sasuke get's are asspulls.they obtain it without any training or hard work.

That's rather a silly comment. They are shown to work hard. Doesn't mean Kishi needs to waste a few chapters everytime they trained. Naruto always worked harder than anyone for his skills. And Sasuke too trained himself a lot to be able to use even his hereditary powers. He did nothing but train with kakashi and then with Oro. There were many uchihas but in each generation only 1-2 are mentioned as extraordinary so it's not that easy.

Once you have mastered a certain level of skill learning new techs/tools available to you or using them differently becomes easier. Doesn't mean they didn't develop the ability itself.

With the latest development I can add that Madara and Obito/kakashi are able to use Sasunao even dead( obito used Kakshi for medium to channelize his chakra) or blind is because they had acquired that skill once.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You can't say something is off-screen who agrees?

I don't,things happen when the focus is on other characters.Every story has stuff happening off screen.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Doesn't take away from my point. He said chakra is the connection, meaning chakra is all you need to bridge the two worlds. Coupling this with the other context clue of Rin saying hurry up makes it clear Kamui was a choice, not a necessity. If Kamui was the only way, why would Rin bother saying hurry up? She said she was watching Obito, so she should know how fast Kamui is. You could say she didn't know Kamui is the only way across, but if that were the case, she wouldn't know crossing is even possible and be able to say "So you're going", as Kamui seemingly originated with Obito.

That makes no sense at all. Chakra is the connection between the two worlds, but by what means would you travel back to the living world? Why does Rin saying "hurry up" have any weight? I doubt there's supposed to be any abstruse purpose for that other than casual dialogue.
If Obito didn't use kamui, how else do you suppose he would have gotten back to the living world? there are no doors or walkways. He couldn't just run back. There was no other way to get there. The only thing I can see happening would be Obito disappearing or vanishing back, but what would be the difference between that and kamui?
Obito has the ability to phase between dimensions. If anyone can switch to the real world from his current, it's him and only him.

 

[WolfHaley]

You can't say something is off-screen who agrees?

No one. That's a faulty argument.

 

[Mortune]

Not exactly, those were my thoughts on Madara using Susanoo without the eyes. That doesn't exactly work in Kakashi's case though, since feeling the traumatic loss wouldn't affect him the same way it did to Obito granted the latter is an Uchiha. If the power lies in the Optic Nerves, then the only way Kakashi could get Susanoo would be if the usage of the Mangeyko eyes back-tracks the chakra affecting the nerve; and producing the same effect a pure-blooded Uchiha would have. To say that is a big assumption though, so it fits an asspull.

Not quite trauma had the same effect, seeing as he had awakened Mangeyko-sharingan eye before hand. He had the eye but not the proper DNA, this only meant that he was drained alot more than an uchiha. Technically, with Obito giving him chakra it could have temporally restored what was once there. However, what I'm saying is that even if these duck were in a row. Kakashi still shouldn't be capable of such a feat right out of the gate. It took Madara from the time of awakening his MS to the time of awakening his EMS to stabilize susanoo. Plus as a non-uchiha, this should take a lethal toll on how much chakra he needs to do this as well.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Just because we didn't see it happen, doesn't mean it didn't. We never saw Hashirama die. We never saw Tobirama's coronation. We never saw Obito's birth. But we know they happened.

Ok so you gave up on that off-screen idea, anyway just ignore the process of something, like hasi death we didn't see it but tobiroma said he died, which means hinted it like he does with every other logical thing, we didn't see tobiroma coronation but we actually know that he was a hokage so we can assume that he must had a coronation like every other hokage (note this doesn't go for sasuke because not necessarily everyone trains in NV and we no one even told us about anything that involves his training), obito birth is inrelvent and it's not even important to the stroy like saskue training

 

[Avani]

That makes no sense at all. Chakra is the connection between the two worlds, but by what means would you travel back to the living world? Why does Rin saying "hurry up" have any weight? I doubt there's supposed to be any abstruse purpose for that other than casual dialogue.
If Obito didn't use kamui, how else do you suppose he would have gotten back to the living world? there are no doors or walkways. He couldn't just run back. There was no other way to get there. The only thing I can see happening would be Obito disappearing or vanishing back, but what would be the difference between that and kamui?
Obito has the ability to phase between dimensions. If anyone can switch to the real world from his current, it's him and only him.

A pretty good point. I wonder how come I didn't see any thread yet wondering about the concept of after death in Naruto. None of the edo tensies wonder about their time after death or heaven of hell all that much. All of it are just dimensions. They die and then float around as long as they chakra lingers in universe moving as long as they have that much energy/chakra left or had the ability to pass through of dimensions in one way or another. Sometimes they get help from some Edo tensie user but it happens. The small traces of DNA they left behind is often enough to make a connection.

 

[WolfHaley]

That makes no sense at all. Chakra is the connection between the two worlds, but by what means would you travel back to the living world? Why does Rin saying "hurry up" have any weight? I doubt there's supposed to be any abstruse purpose for that other than casual dialogue.
If Obito didn't use kamui, how else do you suppose he would have gotten back to the living world? there are no doors or walkways. He couldn't just run back. There was no other way to get there. The only thing I can see happening would be Obito disappearing or vanishing back, but what would be the difference between that and kamui?
Obito has the ability to phase between dimensions. If anyone can switch to the real world from his current, it's him and only him.

Quite possibly, the same way Indra and Ashura have. Ira's post made me realize that there is way to cross from the afterlife to living world without Kamui, as they obviously did it.

You can say it was casual line of throw-away dialogue. I can however say it shows that there is more than one method to transverse between the two worlds. Telling him to hurry up shows there's a method of transversing, and another method of doing it faster. Obito chose to use Kamui because he needed to hurry and it was what he knew and was used to. Simply because we can't conceive and/or state an alternative method in this debate, doesn't mean they don't exist. We couldn't conceive the methods as to how Naruto and Sasuke would be saved, but it happened. There was a time when we couldn't conceive how Kakashi would have purpose in this fight again, but it's here. Same applies to this scenario.

Ok so you gave up on that off-screen idea, anyway just ignore the process of something, like hasi death we didn't see it but tobiroma said he died, which means hinted it like he does with every other logical thing, we didn't see tobiroma coronation but we actually know that he was a hokage so we can assume that he must had a coronation like every other hokage (note this doesn't go for sasuke because not necessarily everyone trains in NV and we no one even told us about anything that involves his training), obito birth is inrelvent and it's not even important to the stroy like saskue training

You're saying we know those off-panel things happened because of on-screen indicators. Why can't Sasuke's improvement to Enton and Kagutsuchi be our on-screen indicator to his off-panel training?

 

[Complex]

Why doesn't anyone get the point, this is not asspull, I'm not even gonna deal with this..sigh

 

[Conspirator.]

Kakashi using PS right of the bat is illogical. One of the worst plot holes I have seen. Him copying PS makes no sense either for various reasons.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I don't,things happen when the focus is on other characters.Every story has stuff happening off screen.

Ok even if we said so, when we see that off-screen training kishi hints it like kakashi kamui training but he never hintd sasuke training on amatarsu si what I thought is sasuke doesn't even train, think about it kishi wrote sasuke character as genius character who needs no training why would he want him to train? But then in late part 2 sasuke went up against sone serious strong opponents like killa b so he needed some serious asspull then sasuke magically thinks about his old teammates and compare them to his current ones then BOMB amatarsu out of no where

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Quite possibly, the same way Indra and Ashura have. Ira's post made me realize that there is way to cross from the afterlife to living world without Kamui, as they obviously did it.

You can say it was casual line of throw-away dialogue. I can however say it shows that there is more than one method to transverse between the two worlds. Telling him to hurry up shows there's a method of transversing, and another method of doing it faster. Obito chose to use Kamui because he needed to hurry and it was what he knew and was used to. Simply because we can't conceive and/or state an alternative method in this debate, doesn't mean they don't exist. We couldn't conceive the methods as to how Naruto and Sasuke would be saved, but it happened. There was a time when we couldn't conceive how Kakashi would have purpose in this fight again, but it's here. Same applies to this scenario.

You're saying we know those off-panel things happened because of on-screen indicators. Why can't Sasuke's improvement to Enton and Kagutsuchi be our on-screen indicator to his off-panel training?

Cause that was after his fight with killa b , he learnd enton and sousano aftet his fight with killa b

 

[Avani]

Kakashi using PS right of the bat is illogical. One of the worst plot holes I have seen. Him copying PS makes no sense either for various reasons.

To you maybe. But let's wait till Kaguya changes her mind and resets the world again back to no chakra and peaceful shinobi world. With madara and hashirama going shcool together and their parents saying hello to each other while they are dropping them off. That would be a good time to remember DBZ and check if it surpassed the revival.

Edit: Do you think Tobirama and Izuna would go along with each other in that prep school? You will get your ideas about biggest APs may reset by the time it all ends.

 

[WolfHaley]

Cause that was after his fight with killa b , he learnd enton and sousano aftet his fight with killa b

This wasn't a very bright post. You're saying he couldn't have possibly trained it because it happened after he fought Killer Bee?

To you maybe. But let's wait till Kaguya changes her mind and resets the world again back to no chakra and peaceful shinobi world. With madara and hashirama going shcool together and their parents saying hello to each other while they are dropping them off.That would be a good time to remember DBZ and check if it surpassed the revival.

Quite possibly the most irrelevant post in this thread. If you are trying to say we shouldn't be this critical of Kakashi having PS because there's a chance we could have the series where no one has powers and it'd be boring, then you're misunderstanding the gripe or reaching. The problem isn't the scale of PS' power, but of the inconsistencies that come with this particular character using it.

 

[Untamed]

Obito coming back was Transmigration .. he did what TenTailsJinchuriki's do.. & gave Kakashi a power-up..
(giving chakra)Dan did it with Tsunade & Tobirama also said he could try to do it in ghost mode for Sasuke.

Madara's no eyed susano'o.. he still needed the eyes to awaken Susano'o in the first place.. the rest is history.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

This wasn't a very bright post. You're saying he couldn't have possibly trained it because it happened after he fought Killer Bee?

No, I was saying how did sasuke use amatarsu on killer bee without training (and also sais how was he able to control his sousano but you guys said he was training but it was off-screen which makes sense since jugo hintd and he had plenty of time unlike when he fought killa b