[Discussion] Politics in konaha

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Ever wondered about pattern of being hokage,let's see

First Hokage- Originator

Second Hokage-Brother of first

Third Hokage-student of 2nd hokage

Fourth Hokage-Student of jiraya (jiraya was student of 3rd hokage) My respect for fourth being indirectly linked.

Fifth Hokage-Grand daughter of first also student of third.

Sixth Hokage- Danzo-Student of Second.

Sixth Hokage-Kakashi-Student of fourth.

Seventh Hokage- Son of fourth also student of sixth.

I rest My case.You need to have fair amount of network in konoha to become hokage. Poor kiba never had a shot.Lol

Ps-I dont have much experience on this website sorry for poor unatrractive post. plz forgive.
 

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Of course. Look at the daimyo's discussion on the hokage candidates and you'll see that being related to the previous hokages is a fairly huge factor in the decision-making process. Not to mention that to be hokage , popularity is a must, which can be earned from villagers through effort, or being related to the respectable former hokages.
 
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Not really.

They were chosen because of their abilities as both a shinobi and as an administrator and arbiter. Kiba never stood a chance because he was neither strong enough nor had he the right attitude.
 

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Not really.

They were chosen because of their abilities as both a shinobi and as an administrator and arbiter. Kiba never stood a chance because he was neither strong enough nor had he the right attitude.
War Arc Kiba already was high Jonin- low Kage Lvl.
And let's be honest, Tobirama's attitude was shitty as well.

Besides you are still right, Orochimaru wasn't given the title even tho he was Hiruzen's favorite because of his attitude.
 

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War Arc Kiba already was high Jonin- low Kage Lvl.
And let's be honest, Tobirama's attitude was shitty as well.

Besides you are still right, Orochimaru wasn't given the title even tho he was Hiruzen's favorite because of his attitude.
Part 2 Kiba's physical stats earn him an overall 22 in the databook; he's Tokubetsu Jounin at best thanks to his lack of brain cells and being a one-trick pony. Let's face it, apart from Zetsu and Juubi clones that the average shinobi were able to fend and fight off, his attacks have never landed against a notable target. He's reckless, dumb and only able in one very specific area of combat.

Tobirama's attitude wasn't "shitty", it was pragmatic. There was relative peace inside the village during his tenure thanks to his actions and realism; it was Hiruzen's attitude that was "shitty". The village prospered and was stable under his guidance during Hashirama's, and his own tenure.

He never hated anyone; he admitted that the Uchiha were good at policing and had an Uchiha on his team. He gave them the police force as a sign of good faith; it was the unfounded paranoia of Madara and his followers that gave rise to the trouble. If Tobirama had a bad attitude, he would've dismissed them or slaughtered them when he first noticed distrust, but he didn't. He created the academy, the ANBU and the Chunin Exams and turned the attention of the clans from themselves to the village as a whole.

He was the most realistic, and best Hokage.
 
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Part 2 Kiba's physical stats earn him an overall 22 in the databook; he's Tokubetsu Jounin at best thanks to his lack of brain cells and being a one-trick pony. Let's face it, apart from Zetsu and Juubi clones that the average shinobi were able to fend and fight off, his attacks have never landed against a notable target. He's reckless, dumb and only able in one very specific area of combat.

Tobirama's attitude wasn't "shitty", it was pragmatic. There was relative peace inside the village during his tenure thanks to his actions and realism; it was Hiruzen's attitude that was "shitty". The village prospered and was stable under his guidance during Hashirama's, and his own tenure.

He never hated anyone; he admitted that the Uchiha were good at policing and had an Uchiha on his team. He gave them the police force as a sign of good faith; it was the unfounded paranoia of Madara and his followers that gave rise to the trouble. If Tobirama had a bad attitude, he would've dismissed them or slaughtered them when he first noticed distrust, but he didn't. He created the academy, the ANBU and the Chunin Exams and turned the attention of the clans from themselves to the village as a whole.

He was the most realistic, and best Hokage.
I am not saying you are wrong or anything infact i agree with you to some level. but to say 2nd was the best will be like to say Naruto is the worst hokage.
 

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Hehe about kiba it was a joke. No doubt all the hokages had great abilities but you have to admit there is a pattern.
The pattern is also result of the hokages picking their students among the best lot and training them well. Tusnade's was not among top choices despite being First's daughter and her suggestion to add a medic to each team was rejected till Dan supported it. Oro, Minato, Jiraiya all were considered before her.

Saying that yes elite clans have better chances seeing their clan or KG abilities keep them ahead of others even before they started.
 
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I think everything had a logicality to it if you think about it. After Hashirama, it wouldn't have been a good choice for an Uchiha to take over as after Madara, it was really a matter of when they would rebel not if. Tobirama was already a good candidate for Hokage as he was the one already dealing with the politics of the village. Acting as Hashirama's second in command, he already had a grasp of what was expected of him so it was only natural to pass on the title to him.

Hiruzen was picked by Tobirama although this was at a time when they were in danger of being attacked. Considering he had no time to really consider a better alternative, based on his experience with his team, the only logical choice to make at the time would be to hand over the title to Hiruzen. Danzo, Kagami, and the Cho-something kid weren't part of his team but rather they were assimilated with with his team briefly. Considering they were at a time of war, it is only logical that their real sensei must have been killed in combat or close to it.

Hiruzen was quite lucky but as Hokage, in my own opinion, he didn't do really anything one would call dynamic or progressive, but he did do something that his predecessors and those from other villages weren't able to do: Maintain stability. Given his approach to problems, he really did a great job of keeping people together and making sure everybody was happy. From what I know, he did make a couple of mistakes on his part, he allowed Danzo to handle the darker affairs of being a Hokage and followed the advice of his friends, who from further speculation throughout the series, weren't very helpful. I think those three really hindered Hiruzen but at the same time I can see a sort of tactful approach to his descision. Danzo would have defected were he not handed the position to handle some of the affairs of the leaf. Infering from when he was younger, he did seem to possess around the same thought process as Hiruzen but as time grew he became colder and more distant. Being the leader of ROOT gave him the possibility of being a pseudo-hokage and having the eventual force to one day overtake the village.

The next choice after Hiruzen was Minato obviously. He had the talent/power as well as the mind of a Kage. He was easy to get along and judging from his casual attitude, he could have been easily manipulated. However, it came as a surprise to everyone that he actually was very intelligent (aside from naming things which he has a bad rep for xD). His approach to circumstances and his skills were a real deterrent for other nations not to mess with the leaf. Logically he would be a good choice both because of his skills and because he was close to the third so the transition would be a smooth one.

We already know about the other Hokage but one thing I can imagine they really considered was the transition process. In a world parallel to our own, "time is money". They wouldn't have picked someone who wasn't well acquainted with the Hokage role. It isn't just about fighting ability which the Daimyo care little about. Their foremost concerns would have been:

- How long is it going to take them to get assimilated?
- What do they know about being a Hokage (concerning paperwork)?
- Are they able to defend the interests of the Daimyo?

A large part of what we don't get to see is how they politics work in the Narutoverse but from we saw during the time that Tsunade spoke with them was that they function just like in our world, to a degree.
 

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There are a lot more politics to expand on. Naruto has the most---student of Kakashi(6th) who was taught by the 4th(Naruto's father), who also had the same master as Naruto, who was a student of the third and a teammate of the fifth who was directly related to the first and second hokages. Naruto has a connection with every hokage when you think about it
 

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Yeah but see, the key to success is to find someone who is successful in the field of your choice and take notes from them. Why would I go to an engineer for advice on politics? Why would I go to a politician for advice on engineering? Same thing with the Hokage. You either need a Hokage, or you need to be taught by someone who is Hokage material (Remember, Jiraiya was actually offered the post which he turned down and went to find Tsunade).

Hashirama and Tobirama were brought up the same, being brothers, even if their personalities differed. They in turn passed their teachings to Hiruzen, who in turn passed his teachings to Jiraiya, who in turn passed his teachings to Naruto and the Fourth. The Fourth passed his teachings on to Kakashi who also passed on his teachings to Naruto.

Not to mention that Naruto is also Minato's son. Even if deep down there, Naruto has Hokage in his blood.
 
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