Plot-No-Jutsu Chronicles ; Rock Lee vs Gaara

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The Plot-No-Jutsu Chronicles is simply a series in which I critique various scenarios throughout Naruto where what should've happened didn't happen, due to plot-no-jutsu (aka Masashi Kishimoto making X happen for the sake of the plot, when in reality that wouldn't have happened). Under normal circumstances, I'll post 1 a week. You're encouraged to email my your suggestions!


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Introduction
This is the first Plot-No-Jutsu Chronicles (or PNJC) post ever. This is an experiment of mine, we'll see how it goes ^_^

First up we have Rock Lee vs Gaara. This was an extraordinary fight, one of anime's best for many. However, it's obvious the amazing factor of this fight came from Rock Lee. Gaara had his moments, but this wasn't one of them. In fact, in my opinion, Rock Lee should've won... I mean he REALLY should've won. Allow me to show that Gaara's win was due to Plot-No-Jutsu. And do read... it should be entertaining!


1. Plot-No-Jutsu Style: Worst-Possible-Match-Up Jutsu!
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I know this technically isn't PNJ, but it's worth mentioning. There were 20 contestants. TWENTY OF THEM. What are the chances then, of the singular Taijutsu using Ninja to go up against a Jinchuriki who had murdered several Jonin level and less ninja in his time, as well as never being TOUCHED in his life. MC Hammer was his role model.

Gaara was literally the absolute worst possible foe for Rock Lee. Sure, Gaara's undoubtedly difficult for anyone else... but let's be real. If Rock Lee went up against ANY other of the other 18 contestants, it would've been a certain victory. Rock Lee had to go up against the a Jinchuriki who's fighting style happened to be the perfect counter against his own. In essence, you had Rock Lee not only going up against an extremely skilled/talented/powerful opponent, but also someone who has a perfect fighting style for countering Lee's, that none of the Ninja's had. Really Kishimoto?

2. Plot-Style: Impossible-Clone-Creation Jutsu!
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We know that during the fight, Rock Lee's original state isn't enough for the bad-luck-match-up. So he turns up. Off goes his weights, on goes his speed. At this point, people eyes can't keep up with Rock Lee's speed... and neither can Gaara's sand.

With a sudden burst of incredible speed, Rock Lee blitzes Gaara, knocking him into the air. While kicking him up, we know Rock Lee winces for moment, and in that moment Gaara creates a clone. Rock unknowingly then proceeds to Primary Lotus the clone instead, sparing Gaara and putting Lee in a state of needed recovery.

Now this just doesn't sit well with me, and my friend common sense agrees. Let me list why:

A) LOOK AT THE SCAN. THE DUDES SAND IS BEHIND HIM! HOW DOES HE MAKE A CLONE! Now, some may make the excuse that it came from his sand armor. As silly as that sounds, let's assume that.

Frankly, it doesn't matter even if he did have sand, because B) HE'S GETTING FREAKING UPPERCUT REPEATEDLY WITH A MULTITUDE OF FEET. Looking at the scans and anime, he's not even done flinching before the next kick connects. How then does he make a clone?

No more than you can do origami and MMA at the same time, should Gaara be able to create a clone of meager sand while getting kicked in less than a second intervals. Gaara obviously would've needed some of the sand to get him back on the ground anyway. So we're supposed to believe that in less than 1 second, Gaara flinched and recovered from a gravity-defying kicks, molded chakra (which mind you is being used to try to catch up his sand under him), calculate and remove enough sand to make a clone and enough to take him to the ground, actually remove himself, replace himself exactly with a clone, and descend out of Rock Lee's sight. Such would be an impressive feat for the likes of Shikamaru, Minato, and Sauske. How the heck could GAARA- no, GENIN GAARA do such a thing? Plot chakra, that's how.

3. Plot-style: I-Don't-Die-When-I-Should-Ha-Ha
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After this, Rock Lee, being wiped, resorts to his gates, fighting in the 4th, and ending with the 5th. 3-Tamoe Shargian/Byakugan were having trouble / couldn't keep up or see him. Kakashi even for goodness' sake. This sort of speed leaves the world of ninja and reaches that of superhero. I mean this is crazy. Not just the speed but the utter raw strength such gates provide... it's amazing.. awing... Jonin level, and when used to it's full potential, far above. This Lee is a few seconds made the no-weights Lee seem childlike. Yet base Lee with a simple hard punch could break a large part of Gaara's sand armor off. Now, if that's the case, explain to me HOW THE HECK A BAJILLION PUNCHES WITHIN THE MATTER OF A FEW SECONDS DELIVERED WITH POWER THAT WOULD MAKE FALCON PROUD, ENHANCED BY THE SPEED OF HIS MOVEMENT, NOT DESTROY ANY SHRED OF ARMOR!

I mean let's be reasonable. Rock Lee evidently became many times stronger than normal. Not 10. Not 20. Not 30. I mean, to be frank, I don't know the number... but I don't think saying +50 times normal power would be a stretch. Maybe ~100. He went from an easily traceable upper kick combo of a few hits to an unseeable frenzy of complete and utter destructive blows happening multiple times- no -many- times every second with an exponential strength growth tossed in, mixed with, lastly, the inherent direct impact boost anything will gain with additional speed applied. This, my friends, is what we refer to as "swag". Yet, with a plot-shield stronger than his sand one, Gaara protects himself almost if not completely from every blow, when just ONE of those punches would end the fights for any other contestant. At best 2 or 3. It doesn't any sense that a base mode punch can destroy a large portion, and 4th gate repeated blows do less damage to his armor, and don't even damage Gaara himself.

And let's not forget that last blow. A 5th gate punch, with all his strength, direct, point-plank, explosive power, to an already wrecked damage sand armor. HOW DID THAT NOT KILL HIM? I'd rather hit that concrete that get hit by that fist. Heck, the concrete would be several times preferable to the repeated 4th gate blows, even individually. That one punch was enough to destroy any illogical armor Gaara still had and, to be frank, eradicate him then and there, BEFORE EVEN HITTING THE GROUND. That punch was far more harmful than some still concrete.

Lastly, even if he did survive all that without a scratch to his body, having a little bit of sand under him shouldn't save him from anything- at least not logically. We already know his sand couldn't keep up, so it literally could just become sand- it doesn't have time to catch him, cushion him, or in any way be manipulated. It's solely just a few pounds of sand laying behind him without time to do anything useful. Yet, of course, Gaara's plot-shield wasn't pierced.

Conclusion
So we know at the end of all this, Gaara's plot-shield prevails, and sadly Rock Lee (who was leagues ahead of the other Genin) lost then and there. Due to a horrid match-up, impossible clone jutsu use, and Gaara gaining an apparent temporary invulnerability, Rock Lee lost what I believe he should've won. Oh well.

Please do be patient with this, as it is my 1st. Hopefully it was a good read. And while I am a big Rock Lee fan, I believe my points are reasonable accurate. Enjoy, and thanks! Remember to send suggestions for next week~
 
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What an awful idea
 

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Preach,brother preach Rock lee should have soloed that damn fight.
Lee lost for the sake of development for the main characters,for Sasuke to shows his lolgenius status and Naruto his loltnj master status.Lmao
 

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A.K.A this is a weekly series of thread about you *****ing ?

It was an impossible match up to showcase lee's character and his determination to succeed in a world run by ninja who can harness the power of chakra something he cannot yet, that would hardly stand in Lee's way to becoming a splendid ninja in his own right.


Are you going to point out every time something could of went a different way ?

Which is at any point in the manga :|


What you describe when you say "aka Masashi Kishimoto making X happen for the sake of the plot, when in reality that wouldn't have happened" is called PLOT DEVICE.


Ever hear of it ? It is a tool utilized in writing.


read a book once in awhile
 

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No, if gaara really want to kill rock lee he turn into shikaku version one and kill him, gaara tank rock lee attack noff said, and he win, GG
 

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Guys, this is simply a series to point out what would normally happen and what should happen vs what did happen. Plot devices are good, I'm a writer myself. However, that doesn't mean I can't critique some of the bigger ones for the sake of conversation o_O chill lols. I'm not saying Kishimoto is a horrid writer. I'm just taking scenarios and putting them into reality instead of into Naruto.

No, if gaara really want to kill rock lee he turn into shikaku version one and kill him, gaara tank rock lee attack noff said, and he win, GG
Last time I checked... Gaara went Shikaku when he lost control... it wasn't voluntary. Before he even could, Rock Lee would've taken him out. And even if he did- heck even if he went V2... you try killing an ant moving at a speed you can't even see before it punches your eye out, or before Rock Lee would Falcon Kick Gaara from atop Shikaku.
 
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Lee got solo'd fair and square.


Just be thankful his sensei stepped in before Lord Gaara ended the fight.
 

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Rock lee did have the best chance against him.
The others would have been obliterated

He and gaara were definitly the strongest back then.
 

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Well some points here...


Primary Lotus Clone: this is feasible as he actually had the sand armor on... He simply had to exit the shell, and make it a clone.


Sand Durability: one can always strengthen a jutsu by adding more chakra to it. Also Gaara started letting Shukaku take over to small degrees so he has an impressive chakra reservoir. It isn't 100% impossible that he could not increase the durability of his armor through chakra.

The breaking of the gourd is also seemingly whimsical, but we've seen that shinobi can take incredible punishment, and can jump down from high distances (like the Alliance arrival scene). Combine Sand breaking the great amount of impact/displacing the force alongside increased chakra to strengthen armor... It's theoretically plausible to survive.



But I'd say you easily brought up all of the questionable points.
 

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Well some points here...


Primary Lotus Clone: this is feasible as he actually had the sand armor on... He simply had to exit the shell, and make it a clone.


Sand Durability: one can always strengthen a jutsu by adding more chakra to it. Also Gaara started letting Shukaku take over to small degrees so he has an impressive chakra reservoir. It isn't 100% impossible that he could not increase the durability of his armor through chakra.

The breaking of the gourd is also seemingly whimsical, but we've seen that shinobi can take incredible punishment, and can jump down from high distances (like the Alliance arrival scene). Combine Sand breaking the great amount of impact/displacing the force alongside increased chakra to strengthen armor... It's theoretically plausible to survive.



But I'd say you easily brought up all of the questionable points.

a) Let me quote myself here:
So we're supposed to believe that in less than 1 second, Gaara flinched and recovered from a gravity-defying kick, molded chakra (which mind you is being used to try to catch up his sand under him), calculate and remove enough sand to make a clone and enough to take him to the ground, actually remove himself, replace himself exactly with a clone, and descend out of Rock Lee's sight. Such would be an impressive feat for the likes of Shikamaru, Minato, and Sauske. How the heck could GAARA- no, GENIN GAARA do such a thing?

b) Well, a very good point. However, one thing a manga makes difficult to illustrate is the speed of super fast things. I don't see how when he was getting repeatedly blitzed within singular seconds he would have time to add chakra. Before, yes. After, yes. During, not happening.

c) Decent point. But really... jumping =/= 5th gate all-out punch, especially at such a close range... .
Also, his armor was shattered, having lost most of its value (look at any scans around this point in the fight). don't forget, that initial blow producing by pulling him forward and hitting him as hard as he could should've finished him before he hit the ground (on his BACK mind you)

Good post though, addition to rep ^_^
 

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your points make sense, Rock Lee was WAY more powerful at Naruto at the point...

its a shame that Rock Lee got turned into a joke...
 

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Preach,brother preach Rock lee should have soloed that damn fight.
Lee lost for the sake of development for the main characters,for Sasuke to shows his lolgenius status and Naruto his loltnj master status.Lmao

Yup pretty much this.
But like it or not; author decides what happens in the story; and he needed to polish up main characters; so he used Lee, one of the strongest genins out there to show Gaara's power. Any other genin would have get lolshotted by Gaara minimum diff; and Lee get a great character development and showed a good deal of characteristics there. Though Sasuke achieving roughly same speed with Lee -despite stamina problems- was an asspull. I am a former athlete and kick boxer; and i am damn sure that shit is beyond possibilitie no matter how much of a Godly genius Sasuke were; one's muscles and skillset can't achieve in a single month what the other did in several years. Sasuke might have immense training, but so did Lee even much more. It totally shat on hardwork theme; Lee got few things he gained and superior to those snobs, but out of everything; author gave the "genius" single that thing -_-. And Naruto gets much more speed than Lee would ever dream of by leeching to his demon's power. Hardwork my ass.

Anyway even though Lee ripped apart the whole sand, one tailed beast would have kicked in and Lee would stand No chance after such point. Besides we don't know How much damage Lee did To Gaara. They are both among my faves(esp. Gaara in part 1), but those hits could have made more damage than he did in base.
 

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I don't see why people are hating, I understand that this could be considered complaining, but it's really not. You are pointing out valid arguments that, in my opinion, make sense. I still honestly thought that Gaara would have won(Though that sand clones seriously pissed me off -_-). I like your idea, it's very original(As far as I can tell at least) and I enjoyed reading it.

Here's some rep for you good sir, keep doing what you're doing:win:
 

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Yup pretty much this.
But like it or not; author decides what happens in the story; and he needed to polish up main characters; so he used Lee, one of the strongest genins out there to show Gaara's power. Any other genin would have get lolshotted by Gaara minimum diff; and Lee get a great character development and showed a good deal of characteristics there. Though Sasuke achieving roughly same speed with Lee -despite stamina problems- was an asspull. I am a former athlete and kick boxer; and i am damn sure that shit is beyond possibilitie no matter how much of a Godly genius Sasuke were; one's muscles and skillset can't achieve in a single month what the other did in several years. Sasuke might have immense training, but so did Lee even much more. It totally shat on hardwork theme; Lee got few things he gained and superior to those snobs, but out of everything; author gave the "genius" single that thing -_-. And Naruto gets much more speed than Lee would ever dream of by leeching to his demon's power. Hardwork my ass.

Anyway even though Lee ripped apart the whole sand, one tailed beast would have kicked in and Lee would stand No chance after such point. Besides we don't know How much damage Lee did To Gaara. They are both among my faves(esp. Gaara in part 1), but those hits could have made more damage than he did in base.

Agreed with everything. The fact is though, in most stories, the main characters get more epic improvements than others. For example, look what Naruto has accomplished in 4 years -1 day. Did everyone forget how in a year or 2 Rock Lee achieved everything he did? Including 5th gate usage with an underdeveloped body? Due to hard work and determination, Rock Lee grew exponentially. Yet in 4 years he's practically at the same level as before... maybe ever so slightly above. But hey, same goes for most everyone else anyhow xD

(Just saying, a thought once crossed my mind of making a thread where we would compare what would happen if different characters were the main ones... Lee would be so OP lols)
 

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Agreed with everything. The fact is though, in most stories, the main characters get more epic improvements than others. For example, look what Naruto has accomplished in 4 years -1 day. Did everyone forget how in a year or 2 Rock Lee achieved everything he did? Including 5th gate usage with an underdeveloped body? Due to hard work and determination, Rock Lee grew exponentially. Yet in 4 years he's practically at the same level as before... maybe ever so slightly above. But hey, same goes for most everyone else anyhow xD

(Just saying, a thought once crossed my mind of making a thread where we would compare what would happen if different characters were the main ones... Lee would be so OP lols)
Meh i am just inclined to believe that author is merely using Lee as a case of humiliation; since he is a "tribute" to Bruce Lee who is an important Chinese figure. It is harsh; but manga is overflowing with sexism and single minded ideals anyway. Besides Rock Lee ain't the first Bruce Lee rip off in fiction.

About Lee being "main character", he would be OP; but so as Iruka or Tenten if they were main characters. That's How most shounen manga goes.
 

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Meh i am just inclined to believe that author is merely using Lee as a case of humiliation; since he is a "tribute" to Bruce Lee who is an important Chinese figure. It is harsh; but manga is overflowing with sexism and single minded ideals anyway. Besides Rock Lee ain't the first Bruce Lee rip off in fiction.

About Lee being "main character", he would be OP; but so as Iruka or Tenten if they were main characters. That's How most shounen manga goes.

All very true, agreed. As a writer myself, I know it's not easy. But hey, as much as we may not like it, Lee's purpose was served. I just wish his purpose wasn't what you said along with buffing up Sauske :( Oh well :/
 

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Kishi trolled Lee real hard in that fight
 

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Gaara won fair and square. A win is a win. Nothing you say or do will change the fact that Lee lost to someone better than him.
 

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Yup I been saying the same thing. He made an impossible clone and disappear all in less than 1 second.
Lee was obviously above Gaara but cause Naruto is supposed to be the one that bets and change Gaara plot had Gaara win.

at least Kishi made it DQ.
 
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