Plot Holes aren't Plot Holes

[CurseSealofEarth]

This will be short. To a writer a plot hole isn't a plot hole, it is an opening for the story to take a new direction. That isn't to say they can't make mistakes, just that "plot holes" all can be used to bring about a new revelation that no one saw coming (except that guy who predicted everything right but we all thought he was crazy.)

 

[SQY]

Your way of thinking is good, nice one

 

[Sasunarufan13]

I agree ^^ I use that many times in my fanfics

 

[Deadai]

This will be short. To a writer a plot hole isn't a plot hole, it is an opening for the story to take a new direction. That isn't to say they can't make mistakes, just that "plot holes" all can be used to bring about a new revelation that no one saw coming (except that guy who predicted everything right but we all thought he was crazy.)

very clever boy
good use of words

+rep

 

[kromostone]

finally someone with a ****ing brain

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

Thanks guys! I just think we're not giving Kishi the time to explain. . .anything haha.

 

[saw2097]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO THINKS. THANK YOU. However I wonder if we will get the explanation next chapter. I am not sure that we will get the explanation just yet, we may have to wait a few chapters. Obito doesn't seem to be in a nice mood.

 

[Shadowkiller56]

I agree. People just assume that these 'plot-holes' are permanent mistakes, rather than a means to create plot twists. No good plot should follow a linear path, there's got to be some holes to divert the path to make it more interesting. The writer can then go back and fill in these holes (which Kishi will start doing chapter 600 onwards).

 

[Shouten]

Exactly. You cannot say that a series has plot holes if its plot is not finished at the first place.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO THINKS. THANK YOU. However I wonder if we will get the explanation next chapter. I am not sure that we will get the explanation just yet, we may have to wait a few chapters. Obito doesn't seem to be in a nice mood.

Personally I think, since it's the 600th chapter and Kishi loves even numbers, that it might jump over to Oro and Sasuke's little story, or maybe we'll get lucky and Madara will jump into Naruto and Tobi's fight.

 

[Chishiokage]

This will be short. To a writer a plot hole isn't a plot hole, it is an opening for the story to take a new direction. That isn't to say they can't make mistakes, just that "plot holes" all can be used to bring about a new revelation that no one saw coming (except that guy who predicted everything right but we all thought he was crazy.)

I sorta agree but somethings can't be explained and they are well I guess as you put it mistakes, like the latest chapter when it had Minato in the Hokage stone mountain when he wasn't even Hokage yet, but mistakes happen.

 

[supino]

pretty sure that kishi will explain everything, probably the emotional development of the characters will take the lion's share and then what's left will be about maintaining consistency. that out of the way: plot holes are plot holes, retconing material can be used in the way you said but it is also considered bad writing. not saying that bad writing doesn't mean successful or popular or 'wrong in any way imaginable' but it is not a technique highly regarded amongst professionals and for a reason. actually more than one reasons. it shows lack of imagination, sloppy planning and writing of the preceding material, inability to maintain consistency, etc. as i said apart from what fans, like you and i, think plot holes and retcon are not highly regarded amongst the professionals, it is considered a poor writing technique. given how long kishi was playing with Tobi's identity it was bound to lead to problems. at least now that it is all out he can still give some great character development.

 

[natssuu]

As wise man once said ''There aren't plot holes when the plot isn't over''.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

I sorta agree but somethings can't be explained and they are well I guess as you put it mistakes, like the latest chapter when it had Minato in the Hokage stone mountain when he wasn't even Hokage yet, but mistakes happen.

But just like that we can't fixate on a single mistake. I think we're all just trying to nit pick at the anything wrong since it seems there is a split on who wanted it to be Obito and who didn't.

 

[shiswi akola madara]

patience.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

pretty sure that kishi will explain everything, probably the emotional development of the characters will take the lion's share and then what's left will be about maintaining consistency. that out of the way: plot holes are plot holes, retconing material can be used in the way you said but it is also considered bad writing. not saying that bad writing doesn't mean successful or popular or 'wrong in any way imaginable' but it is not a technique highly regarded amongst professionals and for a reason. actually more than one reasons. it shows lack of imagination, sloppy planning and writing of the preceding material, inability to maintain consistency, etc. as i said apart from what fans, like you and i, think plot holes and retcon are not highly regarded amongst the professionals, it is considered a poor writing technique. given how long kishi was playing with Tobi's identity it was bound to lead to problems. at least now that it is all out he can still give some great character development.

I agree with you on most points, the biggest problem with thinking that is was sloppy planning was that he couldn't just include a character like Tobi and then just be like "Oh I'll come to it when I get there." There had, or should have been, a large amount of thought and planning into revealing Tobi, placing his real identity and so forth. Once Kishi explains everything that's going on I think we'll be content, maybe not happy, but content with what all went down.

 

[CurseSealofEarth]

As wise man once said ''There aren't plot holes when the plot isn't over''.

That man should get on these forums for a few hours and argue his little heart out.

 

[Naruto Uzumacki]

hmm, this is clever. we should wait for the next chapter

 

[supino]

But just like that we can't fixate on a single mistake. I think we're all just trying to nit pick at the anything wrong since it seems there is a split on who wanted it to be Obito and who didn't.

fair enough, but there are still people who are ok/ made peace with the big revelation and still find it hard to believe that all of the inconsistencies are minor little issues. as many people are trying to say the plot is still incomplete but this doesn't mean there is no story insofar! plot does not equal storyline and it is the second that acts as a guide to future plot and points out any problems. that's basic writing techniques.

it's not a single mistake or nit picking, we are talking major retcon. imho the fanbase has every right to react (even if we disagree with some reactions); a lot of us have been following Naruto for years now, that by itself is major support, let alone the fact that people have been buying merchandise, etc. it's only natural that people need time and a good plot to follow in order to accept that level of retcon.

EDIT: sorry, just saw your response to my previous post. i agree 100% with what you said, for the time being it's best to wait and see what comes next.

 

[Talal]

I don't care about Obito being Tobi. I'm just upset that he messed up the timeline to his own Manga. I mean it's like we know the story and care about it more than he does.