Plot Hole?

Colonel Armstrong

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good point....i dont see it as a plot whole tho...kishi always changes things for naruto and sasuke...lol

cuz if you really look back, you see that naruto was still conscience...but only in his mind...in tha chamber place in his subconscience if you will...i think j-man was only talking from what he seen naruto go under...he said that about the 4 tails form cuz thats when he seen naruto go bezerk
 

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Correction. In the manga , he does not say Chibukai Tensei.
But he does freak out because the ground is being sucked into a sphere. He definatally recognizes the jutsu.
 

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good point....i dont see it as a plot whole tho...kishi always changes things for naruto and sasuke...lol

cuz if you really look back, you see that naruto was still conscience...but only in his mind...in tha chamber place in his subconscience if you will...i think j-man was only talking from what he seen naruto go under...he said that about the 4 tails form cuz thats when he seen naruto go bezerk

well, what about when he fought orochimaru?
He accidentally hurt sakura while in 4 tailed mode.
He had no memory of that.
 

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so it would make since that nine tails that was rampaging could of easily gave him intel on the enemy they were facing

possible, but not probable in my opinion. If its not in the manga, and it is a minor problem like this, it is possible it happened off screen --so to speak--. But, i dont see it happening.
 

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like i said to her... He was standing on it, sure. But he did not Hear the jutsu's name, nor seal hand seals, nor anything about it. The jutsu was effectivelly over when he was there. He just fell back down to the ground. Plot hole lies in Nagato Saying "Chibukai Tensei" and Naruto freaking out about it... He does not know what that means
I went and had a look at the panels again. Naruto doesn't freak out when Nagato first performs Chibaku Tensei, he gets agitated after he realises the gravitational pull towards the black sphere. Only after that, he announces that he knows of the jutsu.

So it's perfectly plausible for him to have added two and two together and figured out it's the same technique Nagato used against him during the Pein Arc.
 

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When he went 9 tails and broke out of chibaku tensei he was in sage mode shortly after so he should know


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why would that make him know anything? When he was awake, he was standing upside down in a pit, on a big rock. He did not see the jutsu at all. Just the after effect. He did not see the ground being sucked up into the gravitational pull.

Why would standing on a rock allow you to remember how that rock was formed? lol
 

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I went and had a look at the panels again. Naruto doesn't freak out when Nagato first performs Chibaku Tensei, he gets agitated after he realises the gravitational pull towards the black sphere. Only after that, he announces that he knows of the jutsu.

So it's perfectly plausible for him to have added two and two together and figured out it's the same technique Nagato used against him during the Pein Arc.

possible to put two and two together. Any normal person would be able to.
But , same chapter, shows that he is of lower than normal intelligence.
So possible, maybe. Probable? idk...
 

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Because he saw it when he came to and assumed the guy that controls gravity made the mini moon that could have crushed him.
 

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possible to put two and two together. Any normal person would be able to.
But , same chapter, shows that he is of lower than normal intelligence.
So possible, maybe. Probable? idk...
He made mistake there doesn't mean that he is of lower than normal intelligence, we have seen in many battles that when it comes to fights, Naruto is an intelligent person.
 

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The part with Naruto meeting his dad is important because we notice that he is conscious in his own mind even before his dad came to rescue him:

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Therefore, for an undetermined amount of time, Naruto was aware of what was going on outside without the ability to control it. He was in despair because he didn't want what was happening outside to continue. The fact that Naruto actually conversed with his father while in that mode suggests that he could tell what was happening outside.

In both Minato and Orochimaru's case, the explain that they could easily see everything that went on outside simply by being within that person's conscious during that time. Therefore it is perfectly logical to assume that at this time, that being different from when he went in 4 tails mode, he was able to retain some level of conscious to the point where he was able to remember what happened, but not at a level to sustain control.

Also keep in mind that the part of him that was fighting pain, 6-tails kyuubi, seemed to be on a level of consciousness greater than when Naruto fought Oro in 4 tail mode. This time around, Kyuubi smiled at times, knew how to counter pains best tech, Almighty Push, and even knew to break the seal on Naruto's neck. The point being that some level Naruto seemed to exist within the Kyuubi at that time. Either it retained Naruto's knowledge and used it to its advantage, or some level of Naruto's consciousness still existed in order to utilize what he knew in the fight.

I think its safe to assume that in this fight, Naruto retained memories of what happened but was still not able to control it. In addition, here Naruto realized that his clones are gone and knows it was from going into 9 tails mode. I think this is reason enough to know he retained at least some level of memory this time:

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This seems like a legitimate plot hole. Though it's possible Kurama would have told him about it afterwards
 
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