[Discussion] Plot hole by the genius Kishi

[narusuke uzuchiha]

^^^ spends days of his life making a theory.......no one cares hahaha

 

[Wparker6804]

In the last chapter, Tobirama says this

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He basically says that the Sharingan is awakened and is developed due to Chakra affecting "Optic Nerve"
As a matter of fact, Optic Nerve is the connector between the retina of the eye (analogous to the film of a reel camera) and the Brain.
And due to the mutation in Uchihas, the Sharingan which is a reflection of that mutation is observed on the Iris of the eye

In short, Sharingan is a result of mutation of chakra from Brain, and not directly from the Iris

Given this fact, it would be impossible to transplant Sharingan, because transplant is replacing the Iris, and it doesn't alter the way in which the recipient's brain transmits chakra into the Optic Nerve. You don't replace the Brain or Optic Nerve in this transplant

OK, let's assume once the Sharingan gets awakened, the Iris somehow retains the chakra signature of whatever the hell it needs to be assumed (which is bs as per Tobirama's statement, and let's assume for argument's sake). In that case, once the sharingan is transplated, the receiver cannot develop it further as his brain doesn't alter chakra transmission to optic nerve as he's a non-Uchiha. But we know Kakashi has improved his Sharingan into MS

So, we have a plot hole no jutsu here. Damn you, Kishi!!

The brain affects the optical nerve wich, in turn, affects the eye. The change in iris/pupil is a representation while the organ is the thing that channels it. Besides, to transplant the ye is to remove/attach the optic nerve connected to the eye. The brain/optic nerve activating the eyes is what I beleive to be what makes each MS and EMS unique.

 

[Wparker6804]

And, just to clarify.. I didn't do any research.. I read the chapter the day before the next chapter is released.. So when I am reading it now, I felt it was plain weird..
And the thing I mentioned is basic eye anatomy.. Although you don't remember it from high school, if you're a photographer, you would very likely remember the anatomy of eye..

And, it's Kishi who is the Geek Doctor in the first place

IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!!

Sheish...... calm down......

 

[tejasomina]

It's manga bro, dont get too much scientific abt it

Oh come on, I am a fan of fantasy and sci-fi..
Why would Kishi want to give a "scientific" outlook for Edo-tensei citing dna, Naruto getting his cheek marks when he was a fetus due to Kurama's chakra, the chakra circulatory system, Vital organs, Medical jutsu, And Kuchiyose no Jutsu needing chakras proportional to the size of the summon (as in some kind of chakra equivalence), etc., unless he wants Sci-fi fans like me to appreciate it??

You think I would ask how wands "like" wizards in Harry Potter?? Hell no, as Rowling wrote HP in pure fantasy perspective, and I appreciate it

 

[Huang]

In the last chapter, Tobirama says this

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

He basically says that the Sharingan is awakened and is developed due to Chakra affecting "Optic Nerve"
As a matter of fact, Optic Nerve is the connector between the retina of the eye (analogous to the film of a reel camera) and the Brain.
And due to the mutation in Uchihas, the Sharingan which is a reflection of that mutation is observed on the Iris of the eye

In short, Sharingan is a result of mutation of chakra from Brain, and not directly from the Iris

Given this fact, it would be impossible to transplant Sharingan, because transplant is replacing the Iris, and it doesn't alter the way in which the recipient's brain transmits chakra into the Optic Nerve. You don't replace the Brain or Optic Nerve in this transplant

OK, let's assume once the Sharingan gets awakened, the Iris somehow retains the chakra signature of whatever the hell it needs to be assumed (which is bs as per Tobirama's statement, and let's assume for argument's sake). In that case, once the sharingan is transplated, the receiver cannot develop it further as his brain doesn't alter chakra transmission to optic nerve as he's a non-Uchiha. But we know Kakashi has improved his Sharingan into MS

So, we have a plot hole no jutsu here. Damn you, Kishi!!

Dispite your knowledge of the eye, you completely missed the fact that the iris isn't the only thing that changes, but also their vision.

 

[tejasomina]

IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!! IT'S SIENCE FICTION!!!

Sheish...... calm down......

Dude, take any classic sci-fi literature, and you don't see stuff that is exact opposite to science And authors use alien characters to play around with biology.. Narutoverse characters are human afaik..

 

[tejasomina]

Dispite your knowledge of the eye, you completely missed the fact that the iris isn't the only thing that changes, but also their vision.

I didn't understand. I mean, yes their Vision changes. Vision is brought by Optic Nerve (I am excluding brain)

If I understand correctly, you said what Tobirama says in the chapter. That Sharingan is fundamentally a mutation of vision (Optic Nerve), not the Iris. So, the transplant cannot be successful with Iris alone. That's my point..

 

[tejasomina]

And yet you achieve nothing in doing this.

lol.. Timepass
Who knows, maybe people will do PhDs reviewing Manga literature some day..

 

[tejasomina]

^^^ spends days of his life making a theory.......no one cares hahaha

lol..

 

[yoshimitsu]

In the last chapter, Tobirama says this

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

He basically says that the Sharingan is awakened and is developed due to Chakra affecting "Optic Nerve"
As a matter of fact, Optic Nerve is the connector between the retina of the eye (analogous to the film of a reel camera) and the Brain.
And due to the mutation in Uchihas, the Sharingan which is a reflection of that mutation is observed on the Iris of the eye

In short, Sharingan is a result of mutation of chakra from Brain, and not directly from the Iris

Given this fact, it would be impossible to transplant Sharingan, because transplant is replacing the Iris, and it doesn't alter the way in which the recipient's brain transmits chakra into the Optic Nerve. You don't replace the Brain or Optic Nerve in this transplant

OK, let's assume once the Sharingan gets awakened, the Iris somehow retains the chakra signature of whatever the hell it needs to be assumed (which is bs as per Tobirama's statement, and let's assume for argument's sake). In that case, once the sharingan is transplated, the receiver cannot develop it further as his brain doesn't alter chakra transmission to optic nerve as he's a non-Uchiha. But we know Kakashi has improved his Sharingan into MS

So, we have a plot hole no jutsu here. Damn you, Kishi!!

Perhaps it recognizes that they are not the same eyes. Recipient's brain detects an anomaly, looks to see what's up, and recognizes the hatred and power in the new set of eyes. And simply adjusts and improves upon it when similar heartbreaking moments occur.

 

[tejasomina]

The brain affects the optical nerve wich, in turn, affects the eye. The change in iris/pupil is a representation while the organ is the thing that channels it. Besides, to transplant the ye is to remove/attach the optic nerve connected to the eye. The brain/optic nerve activating the eyes is what I beleive to be what makes each MS and EMS unique.

Yes, you need to transplant Optic Nerve, not the Iris, to implant Sharingan.. But all we saw till now, or at least I assumed till now are Iris implants in Naruto. So it appears weird to me

Well, we can still throw it off saying it's fantasy, hmm but I wanted to point it out..

 

[Khallil]

:sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy:

Well, I am waiting for a thread where you're going to explain why it's impossible to spew fire out of your mouth -___________________________________________________________________-

 

[Huang]

I didn't understand. I mean, yes their Vision changes. Vision is brought by Optic Nerve (I am excluding brain)

If I understand correctly, you said what Tobirama says in the chapter. That Sharingan is fundamentally a mutation of vision (Optic Nerve), not the Iris. So, the transplant cannot be successful with Iris alone. That's my point..

Well, in that case Kishi has it right. Just look at the chapters where the plucked out eyes are shown, like in Tobi's chamber or when Itachi took it from Sasuke. He draws them with the optic nerve still attached.

And so far, only eyes that already achieved the Sharingan were transplanted into non-Uchiha; Both Kakashi and Danzo transplanted eyes with working Sharingan.
The brain of non-uchiha wouldn't need to undergo the required emotions to unlock it anymore.. at least that my theory.

 

[Gaara]

I know that willily coyote would be dead after falling off a cliff but it happens in every episode. Don't compare real life to cartoons bro.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

first: what manga have u been reading?^^
secind: u do know that in real life eye transplants arent even possible yet... dude its a manga.. how would that be a plothole? (its not)
^^

I have an ex with transplanted eye's. but I think it was only some of the eye.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

kakashi did not improve to MS obito did.....also kakashi knew about MS when we first saw kakashi vs itachi in part 1

i kinda agree with you but then again, these guys look like they live in mid-evil times (technology wise) but use in ear radio's to communicate with each other.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

When itachi(genjustu) stole sasuke's eye, it stayed sharingan. Maybye it's more like electronics, and you need to turn it off manually.

 

[slinkease]

dont be an idiot. the OP is completely RIGHT!!! He's not the one who tried to come up with some scientific explanation for how the sharingan develops.. Kishi did that! Dont get all up in hiz nuts when KISHI is the one that came up with a scientific sharingan theory that completely contradicts his own manga. If the sharingan develops from an uchia who lost someone they love and their brain sends a chakra signal to their eye to mutate it.... then kakashi should not have an MS. Unless theres some new unspoken rule that the brain can send this message down the optic nerve and then it hitches a ride thru the air on sound waves until it finds the other sharingan that belongs in that eye socket.

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

yeah I agree this plothole serves Kishi right for trying to be scientific with the Uchiha and their emo tendencies. Kishi said this was gonna be the year of Kakashi but he has also ruined his character somewhat in my opinion.

 

[izzy89]

In the last chapter, Tobirama says this

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

He basically says that the Sharingan is awakened and is developed due to Chakra affecting "Optic Nerve"
As a matter of fact, Optic Nerve is the connector between the retina of the eye (analogous to the film of a reel camera) and the Brain.
And due to the mutation in Uchihas, the Sharingan which is a reflection of that mutation is observed on the Iris of the eye

In short, Sharingan is a result of mutation of chakra from Brain, and not directly from the Iris

Given this fact, it would be impossible to transplant Sharingan, because transplant is replacing the Iris, and it doesn't alter the way in which the recipient's brain transmits chakra into the Optic Nerve. You don't replace the Brain or Optic Nerve in this transplant

OK, let's assume once the Sharingan gets awakened, the Iris somehow retains the chakra signature of whatever the hell it needs to be assumed (which is bs as per Tobirama's statement, and let's assume for argument's sake). In that case, once the sharingan is transplated, the receiver cannot develop it further as his brain doesn't alter chakra transmission to optic nerve as he's a non-Uchiha. But we know Kakashi has improved his Sharingan into MS

So, we have a plot hole no jutsu here. Damn you, Kishi!!

1. All he saying is that it affects the optic nerve which triggers the mutation. 2. the sharingan is not a reflection of the "mutation" it's of the feelings. 3. Kakashi didn't do anything to activate the MS obito did. STOP SEARCHING FOR PLOT HOLES.