Please post Jin no Sho or Retsu no Sho (movie data book) info on Hamura

[chaos control]

According to the wiki, Hamura has senjutsu of the six paths complete with truth seeking balls and everything. Now I could see this being the case since Hamura is Hagoromo's brother after all and inherited chakara from the same source (Kaguya). However, something needs explaining:

Senjutsu of the six paths is said to comprise six paths chakara, senjutsu, and the chakara of all 9 bijuus. Now six paths chakara is said to be the chakara unique to Hagoromo Ootsutsuki. Hamura, being Hagoromo's twin, inherited (as stated before) from the same source. Plus, Hamura also had six paths yin power as well. Therefore it is pretty much safe to say that Hamura meets the six paths chakara requirement. As for senjutsu, I don't see that being too hard for someone like Hamura to learn (if he didn't already have it). That requirement is fine. The puzzling part here, is the chakara of all 9 bijuus requirement.

Hamura was not the juubi's jinchuuriki as far as we know. How then, would he meet the chakara of all 9 bijuus requirement? Think of all the known users of senjutsu of the six paths that we know so far:

Hagoromo: Juubi's jinchuuriki (which naturally comes with both the chakara of all 9 bijuus and senjutsu since the juubi is made of natural energy). His six paths chakara naturally belongs to him.

Obito: Juubi's jinchuuriki, had Hashirama's DNA (and therefore Ashura's chakara), had Madara's rinnegan (which contains Madara's DNA since it is still an eyeball, therefore giving Obito some of Indra's chakara). Indra + Ashura= Hagoromo's chakara= six paths chakara (although the juubi probably already comes with six paths chakara to be honest since juubi = Kaguya + shinju). (Now I am not saying that Obito should have been able to naturally awaken his own rinnegan although that is a good discussion topic for another thread given the points I just mentioned).

Madara: Juubi's jinchuuriki, Indra's transmigrant, merged Indra/Ashura's chakara to get Hagoromo's six paths chakara + rinnegan. Stole Hashirama's senjutsu. Awakened rinne sharingan. etc...

Naruto: Jinchuuriki of all 9 bijuus, possesses senjutsu, got six paths chakara from Hagoromo.

All of these people possess the 3 listed requirements (six paths chakara + 9 bijuus' chakara + senjutsu).

Kaguya may or may not be a user of it, but if she is then it makes sense. She is the juubi and she is the progenitor of chakara (including senjutsu, six paths chakara and bijuu chakara).


Hamura however, lacks that bijuu chakara requirement. That is why I am wondering how in the world Hamura has senjutsu of the six paths.

Also, I think Kishi just completely forgot that Hagoromo was supposed to be the 10 tails jinchuuriki! Why do I say this? It is because with every new update of information about stuff regarding The Last and the Ootsutsuki clan and the various new novels and data books, it keeps saying that Hagoromo and Hamura fought fiercely against Kaguya and then sealed her away into the moon with six paths chibaku tensei. These sources don't even make slight mention of the beast being sealed into Hagoromo at any point ever!

If this was the case however, then where does that leave room for Hagoromo to become the juubi's jinchuuriki? Also (I just thought about this one), Kurama said that Hagoromo survived the juubi's extraction because of the gedou mazou that still remained inside of him. This statement is kind of problematic if Hagoromo and Hamura had just immediately sealed Kaguya away into the moon. Even if it wasn't immediate, that would still mean that Hagoromo just eventually committed suicide at some point by extracting the mazou out of himself and sealing it into the moon!


Kishi would have been better off saying that Hagoromo and Hamura just inherited senjutsu of the six paths from Kaguya along with their dojutsus.

Anyway, can anyone post some info on Hamura?

 

[Transcendence]

It's... a weird case. I don't have the scan for you. However if you want to deduce anything from it, they both inherited chakra from their mother, equally, and their mother was one component of the Juubi (having more chakra in fact) who is the progenitor of the Bijuu's.

The blood however, diluted. And they both got Senjutsu of the Six Paths, however Hagoromo's specific chakra awakened the Rin'negan and Hamura's specific chakra awakened the Tenseigan (which is the chakra Hinata is seen giving Naruto when he fights Toneri). However, we'll get some kind of clarification when the movie spoilers and book translation come out.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

I found this on the facebook... Hope it helps. And is indeed weird case..

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[VongolaX]

He inherited his mothers chakra, his mother is the juubi so senjustu chakra is definitely in both son's genes.

You have to remember that Hagoromoo is no longer the juubi jinchuuriki, yet he still has six path senjustu.

What you can point out is the Hagoromoo gained more Gudodama than Haruma after becoming jinchuuriki.

Both brothers had rikudou staff during the mothers sealing..

Both have gudodama's

One has nine and a staff

The other has half of that and a staff

 

[chaos control]

He inherited his mothers chakra, his mother is the juubi so senjustu chakra is definitely in both son's genes.

You have to remember that Hagoromoo is no longer the juubi jinchuuriki, yet he still has six path senjustu.

What you can point out is the Hagoromoo gained more Gudodama than Haruma after becoming jinchuuriki.

Both brothers had rikudou staff during the mothers sealing..

Both have gudodama's

One has nine and a staff

The other has half of that and a staff

I didn't see any gudoudamas on either Hagoromo or Hamura during their battle with the juubi (unless their staffs were gudoudama staffs). They may have just been normal staffs though as evidenced by the fact that there were no floating gudoudamas behind their backs.

 

[VongolaX]

I didn't see any gudoudamas on either Hagoromo or Hamura during their battle with the juubi (unless their staffs were gudoudama staffs). They may have just been normal staffs though as evidenced by the fact that there were no floating gudoudamas behind their backs.

The Gudodamas were revealed after, not during the fight with the mother. (Haruma in databook)

The staffs are actually Gudodama/Rikudou staff, you can tell by looking at Hagoromoo's

 

[Angelic.]

the gedo story is inconsistant withnwhat kurama said. just make a guess lol.

i think being the juubi jin is the same as having hagos power.

when it says they sealed kaguya it means her juubi form.

 

[KCMNaruto]

According to Translated scan of databook IV:

source: narutoforums databook collection thread page 7

By EmotionalfRockfish:

Tailed Beasts

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EmotionalRockfish’s 4th Databook Translations

尾獣 - Tailed Beasts

Translations and clean up by me.

Kurama (Nine-Tails)
The demon fox famed as the strongest amongst the tailed beasts. A slave to it’s feelings of deep hatred, it was saved the hand of Naruto, it’s Jinchūriki.

Shukaku (One-Tails)
The pattern of a curse seal is carved into its sandy body and it feels proud of its automatic defense. Amongst the tailed beasts, it has the most pride and its rivals are those who consider the strength of a tailed beast to be determined by the number of tails.

Matatabi (Two-Tails)
Flames of blue chakra make up its body, the mythical two tailed monster cat that governs death. Using scorching flames from hell, it reduces those who intend to harm it to ash.

Isobu (Three-Tails)
The gigantic turtle that grew sharp horns and conceals its body in a tough shell. It adapts to both land and water, and amongst the tailed beasts,it believes it is the most skilled at underwater battle.

Son Gokū (Four-Tails)
It’s real name is “Son Gokū, the Great Sage Equalling Heaven”. It resides in the Water Screen Cave and as the Handsome Monkey King, boasts of its strength. It is a lively character and during battle, spits lava from its mouth.

Kokuō (Five-Tails)
It swings its beautiful pure white body violently, and dashes across vast lands, the beast that is a combination of dolphin and horse. Using the horns on its head, it smashes huge rocks in an instant.

Saiken (Six-Tails)
Just like a giant slug with limbs. A sticky secretion always coats its body and emits a gas that corrodes anything it touches.

Chōmei (Seven-Tails)
It calls itself “Lucky Seven Chōmei”, an insect like beast. It has a tough exoskeleton like armour, and its leaf shaped tails allow it to fly in the sky.

Gyūki (Eight-Tails)
It has both the torso of a muscular ox and the legs of an octopus. It communicates its thoughts with its Jinchūriki, Bee, and even in battle their cooperation is perfect.

Those that summon disaster - like weapons, the ferocious demon beasts that shake the shinobi world.
Beings of terror that were engraved into the history of shinobi together with disaster and war. Tailed Beasts - each possessing tails ranging from one to nine and each given a name. Originally there was one being made of a large amount of chakra, and it was the Sage of Six Paths who divided this tailed beast into nine separate beings. These beings were used by humans as deterrents, sometimes used as tools of war and sometimes to bring about peace in the world. Feelings of hatred began to swell up towards humans, who used them for their own gain. The Tailed Beasts, lacking peace, released their anger into the shinobi world.

A fragment of the God Tree that gave birth to the universe - The Ten-Tails.
The nine Tailed Beasts received life in this world because of the figure that separated the personification of Chakra, the Ten-Tails. Even as individuals they boast overwhelming power and the Ten-Tails power is beyond imagination. During the Fourth Great Shinobi War, it was restored, and it’s overwhelming power caused despair across the Shinobi World.

⇧The Ten Tails, which has no concept of emotions, no longer consists of the separate tailed beasts.

Sage of Six Paths
With the death of the Sage of Six Paths, who was the Ten-Tails Jinchūriki, the beast could be released into the world once more, so in order to protect against this, that power was divided into nine. Thus the nine tailed beasts were born and given names by the Sage of Six Paths, who, until the time he met his death, passed down various things to the tailed beasts. To the Tailed Beasts, he was very much a father figure. When this was broken, they cried in sadness.

When the child of prophecy appears… they will meet again and become one!

Jinchūriki
In order to keep the power of the Tailed Beasts under their control, Humans sealed the beasts inside human bodies as a means of control. Those human beings sufficient enough to be hosts are called Jinchūriki, because they are likened to a human sacrifice. (*Jinchūriki means ‘power of the human sacrifice’). The nature of the relationships between Tailed Beasts and Jinchūriki differ depending on the individual, but in many cases they do not obey each other. Jinchūriki that can control the power of the Tailed Beasts perfectly gain enormous chakra, but on the other hand there is the risk of being taken over by the Tailed Beasts and rampaging. Naruto and Kurama, and Bee and Gyūki, are the few examples of Jinchūriki and Tailed Beasts communicating together.

⇧Naruto communicating with Kurama. The true worth of Jinchūriki can be exhibited through cooperation.

⇦Naruto gained power through joining the Tailed Beasts as friends. In that form, they also feared the Ten-tails.

Joint Struggle

One day they will meet again, not as the Ten-Tails, but as individual Tailed-Beasts, and that one shall appear at that time to show them what true power is… The Sage of Six Path’s words, spoken in his last days, became reality during the 4th Great Shinobi World War. They gained the guide named Naruto and, because the Tailed Beasts did not defeat Madara, their power was bound together.

⇧Through a coordinated attack, the Tailed Beasts attacked Madara! The symbols of fear that had once attacked the world, became a hopeful force to save the world.

^^ Hagoromo indeed became Ten tails host at some point.

Also you are confusing Senjutsu of six paths and Six paths sage mode , OP.

To get Senjutsu of six paths you need -> Kaguya's original chakra mixed with fruit's power

that what both Hagoromo and Hamura got since birth.

Six paths Sage mode is the only one which requires tailed beasts chakra as well, I hope it clear that issue.