[Discussion] Pica vs Vergo

[24 12 11 to troll]

Not wrong, but can he repeat a such feat as Zoro just did in the last chapter ?

Probably

 

[Bogard]

Vergo is a more skilled fighter, but on the other side, Pica's devil fruit gives him a good defensive advantage as well as massive offensive power. I wonder why he didn't try to clad it with haki though, unless he did(could also explain how multiple cannon balls couldn't damage him). If Vergo manages to force Pica out of his golem he wins mid difficulty. Otherwise i doubt it

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not wrong, but can he repeat a such feat as Zoro just did in the last chapter ?

From what we've seen of him, absolutely not.

 

[OG sama]

Vergo is a more skilled fighter, but on the other side, Pica's devil fruit gives him a good defensive advantage as well as massive offensive power. I wonder why he didn't try to clad it with haki though, unless he did(could also explain how multiple cannon balls couldn't damage him). If Vergo manages to force Pica out of his golem he wins mid difficulty. Otherwise i doubt it

Now that you mention it, it would have made more sense to clad his golem form with hardening in the first place. His defense and offense would have went up considerably. But why did he not though, is it impossible. Or did Oda screw up?

 

[xanonymosx]

what really amazes me is that some people think that vergo (who has no coo and slow reaction speed -got hit by sanji,smoker repeatedly -) will find pica faster than someone with coo and excellent reaction who on top of that had to use decrease and conquer algorithm to find him once pica turn to giant all vergo`s hope`s in finding him will be 0 he dsnt have the dc to do what zoro did now you can say that he wont hit him cause vergo has the speed and mobility so i think it`s a draw unless pica went full retard and tried to clash with him in cqc

 

[Punk Hazard]

what really amazes me is that some people think that vergo (who has no coo and slow reaction speed -got hit by sanji,smoker repeatedly -) will find pica faster than someone with coo and excellent reaction who on top of that had to use decrease and conquer algorithm to find him once pica turn to giant all vergo`s hope`s in finding him will be 0 he dsnt have the dc to do what zoro did now you can say that he wont hit him cause vergo has the speed and mobility so i think it`s a draw unless pica went full retard and tried to clash with him in cqc

He has enough to reaction to speed to keep up with his own speed(obviously) and he managed to reach Law at the same time as Law grabbed his heart, starting his movement after Law's heart left his hand. He also had the reaction speed to realize the heart was gone and begin his movement to get at Law as his heart arrived in his hand. Vergo has a tank fighting style; he allowed most of those hits to hit him because he knew he'd be able to shrug them off.

Now that you mention it, it would have made more sense to clad his golem form with hardening in the first place. His defense and offense would have went up considerably. But why did he not though, is it impossible. Or did Oda screw up?

Or maybe he doesn't have the skill to cover something that huge with his Koka? It seems to be general consensus that the amount of your body you can coat with Koka is related to skill in some degree, so it's reasonable to assume he just didn't have the skill to cover that much area.

 

[Hexuze]

Vergo wins mid diff.

 

[OG sama]

He has enough to reaction to speed to keep up with his own speed(obviously) and he managed to reach Law at the same time as Law grabbed his heart, starting his movement after Law's heart left his hand. He also had the reaction speed to realize the heart was gone and begin his movement to get at Law as his heart arrived in his hand. Vergo has a tank fighting style; he allowed most of those hits to hit him because he knew he'd be able to shrug them off.



Or maybe he doesn't have the skill to cover something that huge with his Koka? It seems to be general consensus that the amount of your body you can coat with Koka is related to skill in some degree, so it's reasonable to assume he just didn't have the skill to cover that much area.

Yeah this is probably right, if he could it would makes sense for him to do so. His hardening isn't his main like Vergo, so it might be weaker and he nor Vergo could do something like that.

But if any, I wonder who is the monster that could pull this off. It may never be used like that so I may never know.

 

[xanonymosx]

He has enough to reaction to speed to keep up with his own speed(obviously) and he managed to reach Law at the same time as Law grabbed his heart, starting his movement after Law's heart left his hand. He also had the reaction speed to realize the heart was gone and begin his movement to get at Law as his heart arrived in his hand. Vergo has a tank fighting style; he allowed most of those hits to hit him because he knew he'd be able to shrug them off.

and ?
the peoblem is that you think this feats are impressive
and zoro allowed daz to slice him cause he knew he would shrug them as well

 

[Punk Hazard]

and ?
the peoblem is that you think this feats are impressive
and zoro allowed daz to slice him cause he knew he would shrug them as well

I don't understand what that last part has to do with anything regarding Vergo's own durability and reaction time. Try to stop swallowing Zoro for at least a few seconds, jeez.

And keeping up with the speed of teleportation does show great reaction speed, I don't know what you're on about. Nothing has really shown Vergo's reaction speed is slow, but he has been shown to have fast enough reaction speed to realize Law teleported his heart and make himself move all before the teleportation was complete.

 

[xanonymosx]

I don't understand what that last part has to do with anything regarding Vergo's own durability and reaction time. Try to stop swallowing Zoro for at least a few seconds, jeez.

And keeping up with the speed of teleportation does show great reaction speed, I don't know what you're on about. Nothing has really shown Vergo's reaction speed is slow, but he has been shown to have fast enough reaction speed to realize Law teleported his heart and make himself move all before the teleportation was complete.

that last part was because you speculated that vergo took those attacks on pupose without any solid basis

here is your problem you think relizing the heart is missing form his own hand need to have faster reaction than what it takes in combat which is really ......
the impressive thing about that heart thing wasnt his reaction speed cause any full brained human will relize that the thing he was holding in his hand vanished in no time but was his speed which i truley admire

 

[Punk Hazard]

that last part was because you speculated that vergo took those attacks on pupose without any solid basis

here is your problem you think relizing the heart is missing form his own hand need to have faster reaction than what it takes in combat which is really ......
the impressive thing about that heart thing wasnt his reaction speed cause any full brained human will relize that the thing he was holding in his hand vanished in no time but was his speed which i truley admire

Yeah, any full-brained will realize that the heart has left your hand. The same cannot said for realizing the heart was teleported out of your hand, realizing where it was teleported to, making the decision to move in that location, then starting the movement, all before the teleportation was complete. Not only that, but his reaction time has to keep up with his own speed, otherwise he'd end up like Kuro and not see or process anything whenever he makes dashes and blitzes, when he clearly can.

 

[xanonymosx]

Yeah, any full-brained will realize that the heart has left your hand. The same cannot said for realizing the heart was teleported out of your hand, realizing where it was teleported to, making the decision to move in that location, then starting the movement, all before the teleportation was complete. Not only that, but his reaction time has to keep up with his own speed, otherwise he'd end up like Kuro and not see or process anything whenever he makes dashes and blitzes, when he clearly can.

well i guess like always we will agree to disagree

 

[Punk Hazard]

well i guess like always we will agree to disagree

Whatever. Debates where it's basically just you going ¨No, I'm right because you're wrong¨ don't interest me anyways.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Pica because of sheer size

 

[Ridoku X]

It depends on the circumstances really, and particularly on the area. In a place like Dressrosa where stone is plenty, Vergo is gonna have a difficult time. I still think he can pull off a win though, with great difficulty v_v

So imma say Vergo can beat Pica from mid-high diff all the way to high-extreme, depending on the enviroment.