Perspective -- Intelligence vs Power

[Pretentious]

This thread is to present cogent perspectives in regards to which form of faculty is superior overall i.e. several different scenarios the individual's choice proves advantageous over the other, et cetera, et cetera.

Of course, this is in relevance to Naruto -- Shikamaru i.e. a key resemblance to Intelligence > Power -- Naruto i.e. a key resemblance to Power > Intelligence.

Personal perspective; Intelligence ranks far greater to power.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Just imagine Iruka with the intelligence of uhm.. let's say light Yagami or Lelouch.
Against Madara or someone like him, Iruka's intelligence wouldn't help him much unless until his intelligence would let him grasp the reality of running away ASAP.

Naruto Part 1 focused on Intelligence more than the powers
Naruto Part 2 focused on Powers rather than the Intelligence.

BTW Kaguya arc leaned towards the Intelligence perspective in a way that naruto tricked her twice with his clones and naruto used sexy no jutsu to distract her intention. The ending of the fight was also not a brawl thing as Kakashi made a strategy to defeat kaguya.

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

Hulk Smash.

 

[Pretentious]

Just imagine Iruka with the intelligence of uhm.. let's say light Yagami or Lelouch.
Against Madara or someone like him, Iruka's intelligence wouldn't help him much unless until his intelligence would let him grasp the reality of running away ASAP.

Naruto Part 1 focused on Intelligence more than the powers
Naruto Part 2 focused on Powers rather than the Intelligence.

A limited perspective -- Iruka harboring such strategic wealth would be capable of long term victory, rather than short term -- i.e. Madara's plan for reincarnation. Said plan took several decades to accumulate, yet in the end, it in fact did come to fruition.

A wealthy mind of intelligence harbors the innate potential to outmaneuver, and blatantly supersede that of an individual of sheer power. So yes, Iruka would retreat, losing the battle -- But with precise planning, and strategic perseverance he'd win the war.

That is one of the many cases where in the long term intelligence > power.

 

[Fusion Reborn]

I feel Intelligence benefits power vice versa.

For example the tailed beast. They have power, but lack the intellect to tap into that power. They need a host, or metaphorically intelligence, to use that power effectively.

 

[Pretentious]

I feel Intelligence benefits power vice versa.

For example the tailed beast. They have power, but lack the intellect to tap into that power. They need a host, or metaphorically intelligence, to use that power effectively.

Naturally.

However, the query is: "Intelligence vs Power." Which overall in various scenarios proves to be of greater importance/use from your perspective?

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

A limited perspective -- Iruka harboring such strategic wealth would be capable of long term victory, rather than short term -- i.e. Madara's plan for reincarnation. Said plan took several decades to accumulate, yet in the end, it in fact did come to fruition.

A wealthy mind of intelligence harbors the innate potential to outmaneuver, and blatantly supersede that of an individual of sheer power. So yes, Iruka would retreat, losing the battle -- But with precise planning, and strategic perseverance he'd win the war.

That is one of the many cases where in the long term intelligence > power.

That's an interesting point which you have made and it makes my earlier comment meaningless. I completely agree with you. BTW i edited my earlier comment.

 

[Fusion Reborn]

Naturally.

However, the query is: "Intelligence vs Power." Which overall in various scenarios proves to be of greater importance/use from your perspective?

At first, I thought power > intelligence. But after I read your response to Sir UzmakiMadara, I started to lean towards intelligence more.

 

[Pretentious]

Naruto Part 1 focused on Intelligence more than the powers
Naruto Part 2 focused on Powers rather than the Intelligence.

BTW Kaguya arc leaned towards the Intelligence perspective in a way that naruto tricked her twice with his clones and naruto used sexy no jutsu to distract her intention. The ending of the fight was also not a brawl thing as Kakashi made a strategy to defeat kaguya.

That's an interesting point which you have made and it makes my earlier comment meaningless. I completely agree with you. BTW i edited my earlier comment.

Kaguya Arc? So technically the war arc's resolution? I'd classify them one in the same -- That being the case, yes short term forms of intelligence were shown, which further rectifies the user who posted prior to me who stated: "power, and intelligence benefit off each other."

As well clarifying that intelligence utilized for short term goals > sheer power.

 

[YellowFang]

Of course,

Intelligence > Power, it's the basic idea how Humans are the dominant species on Earth.
But in a short-term scenario, power may sometimes trump intelligence.

 

[Pretentious]

Of course, Intelligence > Power, it's the basic idea how Humans are the dominant species on Earth.
But in a short-term scenario, power may sometimes trump intelligence.

But that isn't always the case. Power can in fact be superior to Intelligence rather it be short term, or long term goals.

I; Konoha police has locked a rogue ninja in prison -- This prisoner possesses Shikamaru/Itachi level intelligence.
II; The Konoha police throw away the key, but are obligated to send edible rations once per day through a secure slot.
III; The rogue ninja lies on a path of stagnancy -- As there are no odds of advantage for the rogue ninja.

Power in that scenario has triumphed both short term, and long term over intelligence.

 

[Pretentious]

Intelligence's potential can only be fully realized through a medium, or mediums. Without applicable resources, power > intelligence majority case.

 

[Fusion Reborn]

So this question has gotten me thinking (haven't done that in a while lmaoo)

Honestly there are many scenarios that can prove that Intelligence > Power, Power > Intelligence

So think of it as this way;

one person is given the blueprints/instructions on how to attach the chair parts, but not the material = Intellect
another person is given the parts of the chair, but not the blueprints/instructions = Power

Whoever builds the chair faster wins.

Power clearly wins this situation. Although the first person does not have the instructions, it is EXTREMELY easy to set up a chair especially since the parts are built in ways that attaching them requires little to no intelligence.

Here's another scenario;

one is given the blueprints on how to make a chair BY SCRATCH but not the material = Intellect
another is given a block of wood and materials but not the blueprints = Power

Intellect wins. Without blueprints/instructions, building a chair with just the materials is nearly impossible. However with the blueprint, you are able to gather the materials needed and build it. It might take them a longer time, but building the chair is inevitable.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Pretentious]

So this question has gotten me thinking (haven't done that in a while lmaoo)

Honestly there are many scenarios that can prove that Intelligence > Power, Power > Intelligence

So think of it as this way;

one person is given the blueprints/instructions on how to attach the chair parts, but not the material = Intellect
another person is given the parts of the chair, but not the blueprints/instructions = Power

Whoever builds the chair faster wins.

Power clearly wins this situation. Although the first person does not have the instructions, it is EXTREMELY easy to set up a chair especially since the parts are built in ways that attaching them requires little to no intelligence.

Here's another scenario;

one is given the blueprints on how to make a chair BY SCRATCH but not the material = Intellect
another is given a block of wood and materials but not the blueprints = Power

Intellect wins. Without blueprints/instructions, building a chair with just the materials is nearly impossible. However with the blueprint, you are able to gather the materials needed and build it. It might take them a longer time, but building the chair is inevitable.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Here's where perspective comes to realization. In both scenarios, intelligence, and power can be reversed completely, and the outcome will continue the pattern of intelligence being the victor over power overall (from my perspective);

one person is given the blueprints/instructions on how to attach the chair parts, but not the material = Power
another person is given the parts of the chair, but not the blueprints/instructions = Intelligence

Now relay back to me, who do you presume triumphs over the other? Intelligence correct?

The way you've setup your reasoning up is similar to short term rather than long. Per-say, let's keep your previous scenario;

one is given the blueprints on how to make a chair BY SCRATCH but not the material = Intellect
another is given a block of wood and materials but not the blueprints = Power

If this were setup in a manner to measure short term & long term succession, intelligence would record itself in the long term, as well short term (if referring to the reversed quotation).

My main point is that intelligence > power or power > intelligence is completely perspective/scenario dependent.

Edit: The reason for this thread was not to solely prove which category of "power" be it mental, or physical was superior, but also to bring different perspectives into the fray. Neither is right, nor wrong, simply perceived different.

Premises such as these bring deeper thoughts than that of normality -- Something I'm sure we all could use.

 

[NarutoX28]

Power is dependent on one's ingenuity and/or ability to comprehend specific concepts and use them in unison, an example of which would be Naruto's mastery over FRS. Intelligence is far more important when considering that Power cannot be obtained without it under most cases.

 

[Pretentious]

Power is dependent on one's ingenuity and/or ability to comprehend specific concepts and use them in unison, an example of which would be Naruto's mastery over FRS. Intelligence is far more important when considering that Power cannot be obtained without it under most cases.

Naturally power requires prevalent knowledge regarding aspect of study -- However, on the assertion that power cannot be amassed without the compliment of intelligence is as you said not completely fact.

Example; innate
Example; given

et cetera.

On that note, I do however, agree that intelligence remains invaluable in comparison to power. Power is simplistic, while intellect has many faces.

 

[UnknownJin]

Sasuke solos

 

[Umari Senju]

I suppose it depends on what Intel one has on an opponent and how they use said intel which determines whether Intelligence >Power

Take the Naruto VS Pain fight for example: replace Shikamaru with Naruto and give him the same intel Naruto was given and include his overall power at that time and what was available to him (Naruto having Sage Mode) That Shikamaru is lacking.

Now in this case I believe Power> Intelligence for a few reasons:

without others to compensate for the lack of stopping power and having no time to prep the field nor any avenue of escape Shikamaru could very well find himself overwhelmed and thus loose to power.

That being said intelligence would probably dictate not to engage Pain at all which in itself, lends to Intelligence being > Power. However Pain can, and did, blow up the whole village in a single gesture so escape in this instance seems unlikely.

But that's where my Power > Intelligence ends. In most other cases I would argue Intelligence >Power

 

[Pretentious]

I suppose it depends on what Intel one has on an opponent and how they use said intel which determines whether Intelligence >Power

Take the Naruto VS Pain fight for example: replace Shikamaru with Naruto and give him the same intel Naruto was given and include his overall power at that time and what was available to him (Naruto having Sage Mode) That Shikamaru is lacking.

Now in this case I believe Power> Intelligence for a few reasons:

without others to compensate for the lack of stopping power and having no time to prep the field nor any avenue of escape Shikamaru could very well find himself overwhelmed and thus loose to power.

That being said intelligence would probably dictate not to engage Pain at all which in itself, lends to Intelligence being > Power. However Pain can, and did, blow up the whole village in a single gesture so escape in this instance seems unlikely.

But that's where my Power > Intelligence ends. In most other cases I would argue Intelligence >Power

Interesting preposition. However, Konoha had intel from my recollection thanks to Jiraiya -- Shikamaru if situated in Naruto's position would've compiled several hundred, if not thousand different possibilities; a complete, and utter analysis of possible outcomes.

Stated prior, intelligence is best utilized when necessary resources are present, which in this case are i.e. Konoha. Konoha's fall heavily related to un-coordination, under Shikamaru's order however, unity, and compacted allocation would be the result.

A mass Shinra Tensei put an already disadvantageous village (due to dissemination), at an even graver level of snag. Imagine a coordinated organization ready for an assault, albeit unknown to Deva Path's power -- The result would be resistance rather than submission.

I could compile a set of strategies complimented only by Shikamaru's intelligence that would allow the entirety of his resources (Konoha) to defeat Pain; thus, why I believe from my perspective intelligence > power in the presented scenario you've given.

 

[sayian]

Nah. Edo madara arc pretty much confirmed power > anything else. Only time intelligence make a difference is if the power gap between the two isn't that large. Like when kakashi plan outsmarted kaguya to get her sealed. Wouldn't had happened if she wasn't low on chakra and kakashi didnt get a rikudou powerup. Another example would be naruto out smarting pein. Plot had to nerf pein, hold him back just so naruto could do his smart plays. Last example; shika v hidan. While inteligence gets a huge plus here, people forget it took power (kakashi) to ambush kakuzu to set up the blood vial switch strategy, something shika alone could never had accomplished let alone survive long enough to even attempt to complete it.