[Theory] Personal Thoughts on Tobi

[Typhon]

Well I think its time I got some of my thoughts about who or what Tobi is on the table. A lot has been going on recently so theres tons of information or hints as to what happened to Madara Uchiha and who has become Tobi.

The most prominent theory as to who Tobi is is of course Madara Uchiha. I have the strong urge to disbelieve this theory because it would be incredibly anti-climatic. Kishi has been building up this Tobi character and his connections with Madara for the better part of a year, so if it is simply Madara, that would be a huge let down. This however does not mean that Tobi is in no way related to Madara, as he most certainly is. There is definitely a connection between the two, but I highly doubt its as simple as Tobi=Madara.

Next we have to look at the character of Zetsu. Zetsu has been shown to be the closest person to Tobi and the only person who has known his identity the entire time. I think its also important to observe the split persona that Zetsu has. His white side is immature and comical, while his black side is always serious. We have seen this same dichotomy with the character of Tobi who at times has been a comedian, and at other times has been serious. I think this is an important connection between Tobi and Zetsu.

Third we must look at the abilities that Madara possesses. His most notable things are the sharingan, and a space/time ability similar to the technique we've seen Kakashi use. Everyone seems to hate associating anything about Obito with Tobi, but I think its naive to ignore the apparent similarities between Tobi's space/time tecnique and Kakashi's. As we know Kakashi's sharingan came from the left eye of Obito. We also know that Tobi tries to collect "good eyes" whenever possible.

We must also account for time when talking about Madara. This is a man who was already in his 20's at the time Konoha was founded. This was a time prior to the birth of characters like Danzo or Hiruzen. If Madara is still simply Madara, he would be over 100 in age, yet he looks nowhere near that old. Theres the option that hes using a forbidden technique like Orochimaru to prolong his life, but I think thats not true.


So given these facts here is a theory I have come to.

1.) Zetsu's ability that has given him his appearance, and his need to devour bodies, directly result in a prolonged life and perhaps the ability to avoid aging. If he is as old as I think he is, he would have been well aware of what was going on between the Uchiha and Senju as well as the creation of Konoha. We have also seen that Zetsu likes to watch battles. What battle would be better to watch than Madara Uchiha challenging Hashirama Senju for leadership of Konoha? It would certainly be the most epic battle the ninja world had seen since the Sot6P battled the Juubi. So if Zetsu was alive at this time, we would have likely observed this battle. This brings us to 2.

2.) How is "Madara" still alive? I believe that after his battle with Hashirama, Madara was in a state of near death, or even death. Zetsu then revealed himself to Madara and offered his help. As we saw when Tobi lost his left arm he was able to rebuild it using the material that makes up Zetsu's body. I think this is because Zetsu has artificially rebuilt the parts of Madara's body that were lose during the battle. This would have been an extensive process and I think part of Zetsu sort of "merged" with Madara. This would explain the split personality we have seen in Madara, though it would be a much lesser extent than that which we see in Zetsu. This is also why Madara has aged much less than anyone else around him.

3.) The merging with Zetsu left Madara in a much weakened state. Because the body had become tainted, and he possibly lost an eye in the battle against Hashirama, Madara lost the ability to use the EMS. If he did lose an eye I believe it is the right one, which is the one he leaves open through his mask. Over the years he has used eyes of other Uchiha members as replacements. The eye he currently uses belongs to Obito, and thus he gained the ability to use a unique space/time technique that belonged to it. If theres one thing I'm sure about, its that Tobi switches eyes. Tobi really wanted the eye of Shisui Uchiha that Danzo possessed for the mind controlling technique it had. I think he planned to transplant it into himself until Danzo destroyed it.


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Thats one theory. Heres another. ^_^ (I'll make it brief)


Madara really DID die after fighting Hashirama Senju. Zetsu however used his ability to create a perfect clone and then used an ability similar to Edo Tensai to bring back Madara's soul, and he attached it to the clone body. This results in Madara becoming a shell of his former self, the loss of the EMS, and the need to borrow other Uchiha eyes. This explains the split personality and the ability to use Zetsu to replace body parts.


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And a third theory while I'm at it. (Damn you Kishi! >.<)


I have a strong feeling that Kabutomaru summoned Madara's body in his last coffin. This would mean that Madara's soul is truly dead. My head hurts though....so I'm going to quit here. ^_^

Discuss!

 

[~Eclipse~]

Plausible

 

[~Anubis~]

nice thoughts and it may be possible too.

 

[Typhon]

Okay, time to build on my theory.

I'm almost certain that the body Kabuto raised in his last coffin revealed Madara Uchiha. This of course means that Madara died, and his soul crossed over, but it left his body behind. Zetsu had been observing the battle between Madara and Hashirama and was there when Madara died. Its possible that Zetsu and Madara were allies prior to this battle. After Madara died and Hashirama left the scene Zetsu came out and used a technique to "merge" with the body of Madara. By doing this he created a sort of Zetsu/Madara hybrid that was neither Zetsu, or Madara, but a new entity named "Tobi".

This Tobi character took on aspects of both Madara and Zetsu. This character Tobi is someone I would equate to the Sephiroth you encounter through most of the FFVII game. Its more of a clone than the actual person, but its desires are the same, its personality is the same, and its main goal is to awaken the true Sephiroth. Only in Naruto Tobi acts as the "Sephiroth" clone, while Zetsu acts as Jenova. And like the Sephiroth clone in FFVII, Tobi is trying to resurrect Madara. In order to do this he needed the ability Nagato used to resurrect Konoha, which is why he said that the technique was supposed to be for him. Using that technique he would of had Madara's soul resurrected and thus regained his whole self.


So in summary:

1.) "Tobi" is the result of Zetsu using an ability to revive/merge with the body of Madara after his battle with Hashirama. But because Madara's soul had already crossed over, the creation was incomplete.

2.) Tobi took on characteristics of both Zetsu and Madara, thus the comedian/serious dichotomy. Much of his motives are tied to Madara. He wants to destroy Konoha. He wants to kill the Uchiha. He wants to revive Madara's soul.

3.) Because Tobi uses Madara's body, he is able to use sharingans with ease. He has Uchiha blood. But he didn't have Madara's EMS because the blood was tainted by Zetsu. Because of this he collects eyes with special abilities such as Obito's and Shisui's and implants them within himself. Right now he uses Obito's right eye which gave him the ability to use the space/time technique. He wanted Shisui's eye from Danzo for the mind controlling ability.

4.) Because Madara's soul has crossed over, Kabuto was able to revive it using his Edo Tensei. This is why Tobi was forced to listen to Kabuto after seeing it. If Kabuto possesses the soul of Madara, Tobi has no choice but to listen.

 

[StealthShinobi]

Well I think its time I got some of my thoughts about who or what Tobi is on the table. A lot has been going on recently so theres tons of information or hints as to what happened to Madara Uchiha and who has become Tobi.

The most prominent theory as to who Tobi is is of course Madara Uchiha. I have the strong urge to disbelieve this theory because it would be incredibly anti-climatic. Kishi has been building up this Tobi character and his connections with Madara for the better part of a year, so if it is simply Madara, that would be a huge let down. This however does not mean that Tobi is in no way related to Madara, as he most certainly is. There is definitely a connection between the two, but I highly doubt its as simple as Tobi=Madara.

Next we have to look at the character of Zetsu. Zetsu has been shown to be the closest person to Tobi and the only person who has known his identity the entire time. I think its also important to observe the split persona that Zetsu has. His white side is immature and comical, while his black side is always serious. We have seen this same dichotomy with the character of Tobi who at times has been a comedian, and at other times has been serious. I think this is an important connection between Tobi and Zetsu.

Third we must look at the abilities that Madara possesses. His most notable things are the sharingan, and a space/time ability similar to the technique we've seen Kakashi use. Everyone seems to hate associating anything about Obito with Tobi, but I think its naive to ignore the apparent similarities between Tobi's space/time tecnique and Kakashi's. As we know Kakashi's sharingan came from the left eye of Obito. We also know that Tobi tries to collect "good eyes" whenever possible.
We must also account for time when talking about Madara. This is a man who was already in his 20's at the time Konoha was founded. This was a time prior to the birth of characters like Danzo or Hiruzen. If Madara is still simply Madara, he would be over 100 in age, yet he looks nowhere near that old. Theres the option that hes using a forbidden technique like Orochimaru to prolong his life, but I think thats not true.

So given these facts here is a theory I have come to.

1.) Zetsu's ability that has given him his appearance, and his need to devour bodies, directly result in a prolonged life and perhaps the ability to avoid aging. If he is as old as I think he is, he would have been well aware of what was going on between the Uchiha and Senju as well as the creation of Konoha. We have also seen that Zetsu likes to watch battles. What battle would be better to watch than Madara Uchiha challenging Hashirama Senju for leadership of Konoha? It would certainly be the most epic battle the ninja world had seen since the Sot6P battled the Juubi. So if Zetsu was alive at this time, we would have likely observed this battle. This brings us to 2.

2.) How is "Madara" still alive? I believe that after his battle with Hashirama, Madara was in a state of near death, or even death. Zetsu then revealed himself to Madara and offered his help. As we saw when Tobi lost his left arm he was able to rebuild it using the material that makes up Zetsu's body. I think this is because Zetsu has artificially rebuilt the parts of Madara's body that were lose during the battle. This would have been an extensive process and I think part of Zetsu sort of "merged" with Madara. This would explain the split personality we have seen in Madara, though it would be a much lesser extent than that which we see in Zetsu. This is also why Madara has aged much less than anyone else around him.

3.) The merging with Zetsu left Madara in a much weakened state. Because the body had become tainted, and he possibly lost an eye in the battle against Hashirama, Madara lost the ability to use the EMS. If he did lose an eye I believe it is the right one, which is the one he leaves open through his mask. Over the years he has used eyes of other Uchiha members as replacements. The eye he currently uses belongs to Obito, and thus he gained the ability to use a unique space/time technique that belonged to it. If theres one thing I'm sure about, its that Tobi switches eyes. Tobi really wanted the eye of Shisui Uchiha that Danzo possessed for the mind controlling technique it had. I think he planned to transplant it into himself until Danzo destroyed it.


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Thats one theory. Heres another. ^_^ (I'll make it brief)


Madara really DID die after fighting Hashirama Senju. Zetsu however used his ability to create a perfect clone and then used an ability similar to Edo Tensai to bring back Madara's soul, and he attached it to the clone body. This results in Madara becoming a shell of his former self, the loss of the EMS, and the need to borrow other Uchiha eyes. This explains the split personality and the ability to use Zetsu to replace body parts.

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And a third theory while I'm at it. (Damn you Kishi! >.<)


I have a strong feeling that Kabutomaru summoned Madara's body in his last coffin. This would mean that Madara's soul is truly dead. My head hurts though....so I'm going to quit here. ^_^

Discuss!

1st he collects all good eyes not just sharingans (he even went after the rinnengan)

2nd he does look old cuz his face is wrinkeled like hell !!! (from what we've seen from half of his face)

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3rd its true he eats bodies but we dont know if it prolongs his life...

4th he probably used izangi before harishima dilevered the final blow(that would explain the missing eye)

5th if that were the case then we would've seen madara acting like an idiot again(cuz we havent seen since the diedara vs sasuke fight)

6th madara/tobi used MS to control the kyuubi (cuz the kyuubi can only be controled using MS/EMS)when he attacked konoha(latest attack) and he also used space time ninjutsu back then so how is he not blind from using his MS during all those years(kakashi can only do the space time jutsu using his MS in other words madara has to use MS too in order to do it wich leads to blindness if he overusses it and since he usses it all the time he has to become blind...) and there's no way that he has an EMS cuz someone can only gain it by exchanging eyes with one's bro.

7th zetsu needs to touch the person that he's cloning...

8th zetsu probably experimented on madara's body to inhance it just like oro did with denzo's body...

 

[Typhon]

1st he collects all good eyes not just sharingans (he even went after the rinnengan)

2nd he does look old cuz his face is wrinkeled like hell !!! (from what we've seen from half of his face)

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3rd its true he eats bodies but we dont know if it prolongs his life...

4th he probably used izangi before harishima dilevered the final blow(that would explain the missing eye)

5th if that were the case then we would've seen madara acting like an idiot again(cuz we havent seen since the diedara vs sasuke fight)

6th madara/tobi used MS to control the kyuubi (cuz the kyuubi can only be controled using MS/EMS)when he attacked konoha(latest attack) and he also used space time ninjutsu back then so how is he not blind from using his MS during all those years(kakashi can only do the space time jutsu using his MS in other words madara has to use MS too in order to do it wich leads to blindness if he overusses it and since he usses it all the time he has to become blind...) and there's no way that he has an EMS cuz someone can only gain it by exchanging eyes with one's bro.

7th zetsu needs to touch the person that he's cloning...

8th zetsu probably experimented on madara's body to inhance it just like oro did with denzo's body...

1.) Yes I agree with that. But I think the Rinnengan is a special case because of how rare it is. He would be a fool not to try and take it.

2.) He has wrinkles, but he looks nowhere near as old as he should considering he should be over 100.

3.) Thats why its just a theory. Though there is some evidence in the latest chapter. After Tobi gets hit by Minato's rasengan we see a close up of blood dripping down his arm. There is also a protrusion that looks like the materials that Zetsu uses. This means that either Zetsu was a child 16 years ago and helped Tobi, or he has the same appearance as 16 years ago and doesn't age.

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4.) Its definitely possible that he used Izanagi. But we don't know if he only has 1 eye.

5.) Thats true, so maybe the split personality wasn't passed on. But really thats not too important in my theory.

6.) Tobi didn't have the MS activated when controlling the Kyuubi so its possible that the MS isn't needed. Also I never said the space/time he used was a MS technique. The mind controlling technique Danzo used with Shisui's eye was usable with 3-tomoe so its possible that Tobi's space/time technique can be used with 3-tomoe as well.

7.) The second and third theories were sort of off shoots of the first. In the second one Zetsu watched the fight and then came out after Madara died to make the perfect clone, which is when he touched him.

8.) Again its possible, but I think its more of an ability to merge because its made from the same materials as his body. Though whether its from experiments or an ability Zetsu has is sort of irrelevant.

 

[leenox]

nice n good points Bahamut..u did changed my mind...

 

[StealthShinobi]

1.) Yes I agree with that. But I think the Rinnengan is a special case because of how rare it is. He would be a fool not to try and take it.

2.) He has wrinkles, but he looks nowhere near as old as he should considering he should be over 100.

3.) Thats why its just a theory. Though there is some evidence in the latest chapter. After Tobi gets hit by Minato's rasengan we see a close up of blood dripping down his arm. There is also a protrusion that looks like the materials that Zetsu uses. This means that either Zetsu was a child 16 years ago and helped Tobi, or he has the same appearance as 16 years ago and doesn't age.

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4.) Its definitely possible that he used Izanagi. But we don't know if he only has 1 eye.

5.) Thats true, so maybe the split personality wasn't passed on. But really thats not too important in my theory.

6.) Tobi didn't have the MS activated when controlling the Kyuubi so its possible that the MS isn't needed. Also I never said the space/time he used was a MS technique. The mind controlling technique Danzo used with Shisui's eye was usable with 3-tomoe so its possible that Tobi's space/time technique can be used with 3-tomoe as well.

7.) The second and third theories were sort of off shoots of the first. In the second one Zetsu watched the fight and then came out after Madara died to make the perfect clone, which is when he touched him.

8.) Again its possible, but I think its more of an ability to merge because its made from the same materials as his body. Though whether its from experiments or an ability Zetsu has is sort of irrelevant.

1st sure its rare but it wouldnt be of any use to him...

2nd this is mito uzumaki she was 80 or above look at her face madara looked older !he had like 4 lines(wrinkels) while u can see mito's face (madara looked older)

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3rd thats under the assumption that zetsu is currently in his twenties

4th he wears a bandage covering his other eye beneath the mask (why would he do that if he already has a mask on ?

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(last pannel look how its not straight)

5th ok

6th its needed cuz both itachi and sasuke said that its needed(sasuke found out about it after reading the uchiha's tablet in their hidden base) and if kakashi can only use it while using MS why can madara use it with only 3-tomoe?,Shusui is a special case cuz his chackra is special thats why danzo took his arm as well...

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7th assuming that he lived during that time but even if it was true what would he gain by ressurecting someone wich he had no releation to just to take orders from him?

8th i think that zetsu was still working on his body to sustain it but since madara's arm fell off (by the 4th's rasengan) he probably replaced it with a steel arm or something of the sort cuz the way he kicked his arm during his fight with danzo is not normal it didint just turn into that liquid stuff it was like a hard object and madara's arm being made of a hard object would make sence since he blocked suigetsu sword with only his arm.

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[Typhon]

1st sure its rare but it wouldnt be of any use to him...

2nd this is mito uzumaki she was 80 or above look at her face madara looked older !he had like 4 lines(wrinkels) while u can see mito's face (madara looked older)

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3rd thats under the assumption that zetsu is currently in his twenties

4th he wears a bandage covering his other eye beneath the mask (why would he do that if he already has a mask on ?

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5th ok

6th its needed cuz both itachi and sasuke said that its needed(sasuke found out about it after reading the uchiha's tablet in their hidden base) and if kakashi can only use it while using MS why can madara use it with only 3-tomoe?,Shusui is a special case cuz his chackra is special thats why danzo took his arm as well...

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7th assuming that he lived during that time but even if it was true what would he gain by ressurecting someone wich he had no releation to just to take orders from him?

8th i think that zetsu was still working on his body to sustain it but since madara's arm fell off (by the 4th's rasengan) he probably replaced it with a steel arm or something of the sort cuz the way he kicked his arm during his fight with danzo is not normal it didint just turn into that liquid stuff it was like a hard object and madara's arm being made of a hard object would make sence since he blocked suigetsu sword with only his arm.

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1.) If he plans on removing the Rinnegan than there is most likely a way he plans on using it. If it were no use to him there would be no point in taking it. We're just going to have to wait and see how its used.

2.) She looks pretty damn old if you ask me lol. Tobi looks younger than her, and he would be at least 16 years older. But I guess that depends on who's looking. What I see as 20, you may see as 30.

3.) If hes not in his twenties that further supports my theory. He looks like he could be in his upper teens/lower twenties.

4.) That black band isn't a bandage, its the thing that keeps the mask tied around his head. And its tilted to the side like that because of the way he was taking off the mask.

6.) In the recent chapters Tobi has always shown a 3-tomoe sharingan. The space/time technique he uses swirls around that eye so its logical to assume it originates from it. We have seen what Madara's EMS looks like and its nothing like the 3-tomoe sharingan so we know Tobi isn't using it, at least not in that eye. Its always possible that hes hiding an EMS in his left eye. But since the Kyuubi's eye changed to a 3-tomoe sharingan when it fell under Tobi's control its possible that for some reason Tobi only needs to use the 3-tomoe sharingan to control it. Tobi may be able to use the abilities without the MS because he has Uchiha blood, or something else. I'm not sure about it.

7.) I think Zetsu may have had relations with Madara prior to that fight. Or its possible he just wanted to raise him for the hell of it. We really don't know anything about Zetsu's past so there are tons of possibilities.

8.) The problem with that is the nano-bugs Torune used wouldn't have damaged a metal arm. The bugs target the body's cells, if the arm were metal it would have no cells and would not be destroyed.

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I'll admit there are tons of questions that this theory doesn't answer and there are a few holes in it, but its really the best I could come up with so far, aside from the simple ones. Kishi is doing a hell of a job not letting anything slip so far.

 

[Scary Yamato]

I dunno... I would be let down if akatsuki was "controled by pain" who was being overlooked by "tobi/madara" who is in reality "zetsu poop" its all too in house if you get what I'm saying.

I'm sure the twist will be aweosme, but I will be dissapointed again if it turned out to be an orichimaru experiment.

My top two answers...

1) (this has been done to death but... Tobi is Obito.... I know I know but here me out...
Obito is arounk kakashi's age. Kakashi and "madara" have similar "other dimensional" MS techniques... both even have the swirl if you noticed when kakshi used it on deidra. The picture shown earlier shoowing his wrinkles are really scars. The rock ninja would have tried to salvage the body of dead obito to gain the sharingan... they could have kept him alive and he escaped... which would also explain why we only see one eye

2) Tobi is izuna, who only traded one eye with madara so they could both have EMS. he faked his death and teleported after being buried alive so he could watch from the shadows. I'm sure he loved his brother greatly and would find an alternative to killing him to get EMS... In this case the wrinkles above could be wrinkles ^_^

 

[Typhon]

I dunno... I would be let down if akatsuki was "controled by pain" who was being overlooked by "tobi/madara" who is in reality "zetsu poop" its all too in house if you get what I'm saying.

I'm sure the twist will be aweosme, but I will be dissapointed again if it turned out to be an orichimaru experiment.

My top two answers...

1) (this has been done to death but... Tobi is Obito.... I know I know but here me out...
Obito is arounk kakashi's age. Kakashi and "madara" have similar "other dimensional" MS techniques... both even have the swirl if you noticed when kakshi used it on deidra. The picture shown earlier shoowing his wrinkles are really scars. The rock ninja would have tried to salvage the body of dead obito to gain the sharingan... they could have kept him alive and he escaped... which would also explain why we only see one eye

2) Tobi is izuna, who only traded one eye with madara so they could both have EMS. he faked his death and teleported after being buried alive so he could watch from the shadows. I'm sure he loved his brother greatly and would find an alternative to killing him to get EMS... In this case the wrinkles above could be wrinkles ^_^

My biggest problem with it being Obito is that where is the motivation? He survived the rocks and then got caught up in the war and saw what it was really like? That would be the same story as Nagato. How else would he gain the motivation to do what hes doing?

The Izuna theory isn't too bad. But you run into the issues that you would have with it being Madara. How does he appear relatively young when hes over 100 years old? Why does he appear to have body parts made of Zetsu? Why does he only show one eye thats only 3-tomoe? Why does he collect good eyes? What his end game? etc. If it were Izuna it really doesn't add any more to the story, in fact it takes away.

 

[StealthShinobi]

1.) If he plans on removing the Rinnegan than there is most likely a way he plans on using it. If it were no use to him there would be no point in taking it. We're just going to have to wait and see how its used.

2.) She looks pretty damn old if you ask me lol. Tobi looks younger than her, and he would be at least 16 years older. But I guess that depends on who's looking. What I see as 20, you may see as 30.

3.) If hes not in his twenties that further supports my theory. He looks like he could be in his upper teens/lower twenties.

4.) That black band isn't a bandage, its the thing that keeps the mask tied around his head. And its tilted to the side like that because of the way he was taking off the mask.

6.) In the recent chapters Tobi has always shown a 3-tomoe sharingan. The space/time technique he uses swirls around that eye so its logical to assume it originates from it. We have seen what Madara's EMS looks like and its nothing like the 3-tomoe sharingan so we know Tobi isn't using it, at least not in that eye. Its always possible that hes hiding an EMS in his left eye. But since the Kyuubi's eye changed to a 3-tomoe sharingan when it fell under Tobi's control its possible that for some reason Tobi only needs to use the 3-tomoe sharingan to control it. Tobi may be able to use the abilities without the MS because he has Uchiha blood, or something else. I'm not sure about it.

7.) I think Zetsu may have had relations with Madara prior to that fight. Or its possible he just wanted to raise him for the hell of it. We really don't know anything about Zetsu's past so there are tons of possibilities.

8.) The problem with that is the nano-bugs Torune used wouldn't have damaged a metal arm. The bugs target the body's cells, if the arm were metal it would have no cells and would not be destroyed.

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I'll admit there are tons of questions that this theory doesn't answer and there are a few holes in it, but its really the best I could come up with so far, aside from the simple ones. Kishi is doing a hell of a job not letting anything slip so far.

1) mabye he has a hobby of collecting eyes xD

2) well thats because we've only seen half of his face so he doesnt seem that old but if half of his face is wrinkeled like that imagine what his whole face would look like...and ur right it depends on the person...

3) i think he's in his upper twenties though we cant really tell because if his apperance...

4) well when he removed his mask his band didint move and it needs to be attached to the mask from both sides in order keep it in place,i remember seeing madara's head from behind and it wasnt straight too it was just like kakashi's head band(rotated)

6) tobi always apeared with his 3 tomoe sharingan activated so that supports that it might be a jutsu that doesnt require sharingan/MS/EMS or that its An ability gained by getting the EMS that makes a person use it without activating MS/EMS ...

7th) im with you on this one...

8th) i know that but mabye he did something to that arm(experimented on it) to add cells in and chackra to it,i know its far fetched but thats the only reasonable explanation that i can think of...

dude you're theory is the best theory that i've ever seen concerning madara... ,and yea ur right about kishi

 

[elcob32]

Bahamut: First off thanks for a great theory, I agree with many things that you have said here, and you filled in some of the blanks that I have been trying to figure out myself.

StealthShinobi: You have a few valid points, but as far as your 5th point goes...

5th if that were the case then we would've seen madara acting like an idiot again(cuz we havent seen since the diedara vs sasuke fight)


You are wrong this goofy personality can be seen again directly after Itachi's death, when he is fighting (messing with) the Konaha Shinobi.

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[tiranz]

BINGOO thats the idea man..
there you go buddy...u can become good naruto story editor.

and the scariest part of all is we dont even know who is zetsu is? he is like a monster.Kishi certainly has put this kind of character(Zetsu) for his advantage to mix it up the story even further and hopefully to produce good ending to be remembered for the story in future.

 

[BarBoBot]

1) (this has been done to death but... Tobi is Obito.... I know I know but here me out...
Obito is arounk kakashi's age. Kakashi and "madara" have similar "other dimensional" MS techniques... both even have the swirl if you noticed when kakshi used it on deidra. The picture shown earlier shoowing his wrinkles are really scars. The rock ninja would have tried to salvage the body of dead obito to gain the sharingan... they could have kept him alive and he escaped... which would also explain why we only see one eye

when tobi attacks minato and kushina, he looks to be the same size as he is at present day, but IMO kakashi and the others his own age are significantly smaller than they are now, and they are referred to as kids.

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I just dont think its possible that tobi is obito

 

[Dean-Winchester]

look @ this even kakashi doubts tobi is madara

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[StealthShinobi]

Bahamut: First off thanks for a great theory, I agree with many things that you have said here, and you filled in some of the blanks that I have been trying to figure out myself.

StealthShinobi: You have a few valid points, but as far as your 5th point goes...

5th if that were the case then we would've seen madara acting like an idiot again(cuz we havent seen since the diedara vs sasuke fight)


You are wrong this goofy personality can be seen again directly after Itachi's death, when he is fighting (messing with) the Konaha Shinobi.

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he was still pretending to be someone else... and his personality has never changed that fast(in the same appearance) if u continue reading u will see him talking to zetsu(like he would normally do) and madara telling the others that he'll play with the kids later...

and he wasnt goofing off he was just delaying them so the wouldnt interrupt the fight between sasuke and itachi...

 

[elcob32]

he was still pretending to be someone else... and his personality has never changed that fast(in the same appearance) if u continue reading u will see him talking to zetsu(like he would normally do) and madara telling the others that he'll play with the kids later...

and he wasnt goofing off he was just delaying them so the wouldnt interrupt the fight between sasuke and itachi...

Yes his personality does change quickly after Zetsu comes to tell him the result of the Sasuke vs Itachi fight, but Bahamut's point was that he seems to have a split personality, and this seems to support that.

If we see it again it will be confirmed, but for the moment it's still up in the air.

 

[StealthShinobi]

If we see it again it will be confirmed, but for the moment it's still up in the air.

dude why dont u understand that he was pretending to be someone else and goofing off with them just so he can delay them(not to mention why did his personalty change as soon as zetsu arrived why not earlier it cant just a coincidence)

 

[veggetta13]

Coffee anyone? Yo all seem sleepy