[VS] Perfect ultra instinct goku vs. vegitto blue

[KidGamer65]

Using Beerus as your stepping stone as to why why Jiran and Goku would be stronger than Vegito is horrible. It was stated that god Goku alone made Beerus use up to 60-70 percent of his power. God Goku got x10 and then blue and then x20 blue.

Veegito base power at 0 would be = To Blue x20 Goku and blue Vegeta. That alone puts his base>>>>>>Unmastered UI Goku and Base Jiren equals. And the reason for this is because x20 blue Goku and Blue Vegeta shits on Kale and califa and there shitty fusion pushed Goku to UI.

Actually this is a stomp match for Veegito.Vegito w/e his name is.

Lmao actually think about what you are saying before you say it. Originally Toriyama had Beerus as a 10 while Goku was a 6 in comparison. If that shitty "60-70%" nonsense was still true then Kaioken x10 on top of SSJ God let alone Blue would make Goku 6x stronger than Beerus. Shit was obviously retconned.

No, Base Vegito is not equal to a combination of Blue x20 Goku and Blue Vegeta.
No, that wouldn't make his Base stronger than unmastered UI.
No, the bold literally has not a damn thing to do with anything stated. Their fusion pushed a Goku low on stamina into UI, and then she got her ass beat.

-Vegito Blue is only stated to be stronger than Beerus while charging his Final Kamehameha, and as we know Ki swells up far beyond it's normal level while charging attacks as shown in the original DBZ. (Piccolo's Power level was barely 400 against Raditz yet when he used Special Beam Cannon his Power Level swelled up to around 1300, stronger than the Raditz who was pushing his shit in the entire fight) Meaning his regular fighting power is inferior to Beerus's. Fact.

-Jiren before unleashing his hidden power is stronger than every single God of Destruction. Fact.

-MUI Goku stomped, not beat, stomped Full Power Jiren. Fact.

-Hidden Power Jiren>>Full Power Jiren>GoDs. Fact.

-MUI still beat Hidden Power Jiren with some difficulty.

Vegeta's new form and Kaioken aren't pushing Vegito beyond Mastered Ultra Instinct's level. Then we have the fact that if Vegito has X20 Kaioken and Beyond Blue this is anime Goku and anime Vegeta fusing into Vegito, and anime Vegito struggled with Zamasu while Manga Vegito stomped him. Anime Vegito was also never said to be stronger or as strong as Beerus.

 

[Draegod]

Lmao actually think about what you are saying before you say it. Originally Toriyama had Beerus as a 10 while Goku was a 6 in comparison. If that shitty "60-70%" nonsense was still true then Kaioken x10 on top of SSJ God let alone Blue would make Goku 6x stronger than Beerus. Shit was obviously retconned.

No, Base Vegito is not equal to a combination of Blue x20 Goku and Blue Vegeta.
No, that wouldn't make his Base stronger than unmastered UI.
No, the bold literally has not a damn thing to do with anything stated. Their fusion pushed a Goku low on stamina into UI, and then she got her ass beat.

-Vegito Blue is only stated to be stronger than Beerus while charging his Final Kamehameha, and as we know Ki swells up far beyond it's normal level while charging attacks as shown in the original DBZ. (Piccolo's Power level was barely 400 against Raditz yet when he used Special Beam Cannon his Power Level swelled up to around 1300, stronger than the Raditz who was pushing his shit in the entire fight) Meaning his regular fighting power is inferior to Beerus's. Fact.

-Jiren before unleashing his hidden power is stronger than every single God of Destruction. Fact.

-MUI Goku stomped, not beat, stomped Full Power Jiren. Fact.

-Hidden Power Jiren>>Full Power Jiren>GoDs. Fact.

-MUI still beat Hidden Power Jiren with some difficulty.

Vegeta's new form and Kaioken aren't pushing Vegito beyond Mastered Ultra Instinct's level. Then we have the fact that if Vegito has X20 Kaioken and Beyond Blue this is anime Goku and anime Vegeta fusing into Vegito, and anime Vegito struggled with Zamasu while Manga Vegito stomped him. Anime Vegito was also never said to be stronger or as strong as Beerus.

lol so many "facts" that are not "facts"

 

[KidGamer65]

lol so many "facts" that are not "facts"

Everybody who pays even the slightest attention to what occurs in the series already knows that these are facts. You clearly aren't one of those people. :lol

 

[Carpchonay]

They barely pressured an un powered up jiren. Vegitto blue was said to be stronger than beerus? It couldn’tve been by much tbh. The fusion can’t do anything both of the people fused can’t do. So ssb evo and ssbkk10/20 aren’t possible. Jiren was already said to be stronger than the GOD’s before he powered up. MUI goku still beat his ass. I don’t see how ssb vegitto from an arc ago can keep up with mui goku

Super saiyan 3 Gotenks would like a word with you. Vegito can do anything either saiyan can do. If that wasn't the case there would be no super saiyan 3 Gotenks cuz they can only go SS2 individually.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Super saiyan 3 Gotenks would like a word with you. Vegito can do anything either saiyan can do. If that wasn't the case there would be no super saiyan 3 Gotenks cuz they can only go SS2 individually.

That.... really has no relevance on my weeks old post to this because NEITHER could go ssj3 on their own. And yea, if you’d read a lil further you’d see we cleared that up.... thanks? Man I miss the days where anime/manga characters actually showed abilities before we just started assuming what they could do

Btw: neither trunks nor goten could go ss2 either.

 

[Carpchonay]

That.... really has no relevance on my weeks old post to this because NEITHER could go ssj3 on their own. And yea, if you’d read a lil further you’d see we cleared that up.... thanks?

Btw: neither trunks nor goten could go ss2 either.

You make no sense. How does what I say have no relevence when you are literally contradicting what you said in the post I quoted only further proving what I said? Yes. Neither one can go SS3. But fused they can. So again, what you said about Vegito not having KK20 or Beyond Blue or even UI is still incorrect. It has relevence. You're just sour.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

You make no sense. How does what I say have no relevence when you are literally contradicting what you said in the post I quoted only further proving what I said? Yes. Neither one can go SS3. But fused they can. So again, what you said about Vegito not having KK20 or Beyond Blue or even UI is still incorrect. It has relevence. You're just sour.

Jesus Christ dude. It has no relevance because I was saying they both need each as each had one, goten and trunks had neither ssj2 or ssj3 before becoming ssj 3 as gotenks, that’s a whole other case altogether. And AGAIN. If you’d read a lil more you’d see it was cleared up by another member. Like seriously lol

And since your so well versed in dragonball, show me a scan or panel of goten and trunks going ssj2.
Or for f cks sake wait until a character does something before assuming they can.

 

[Draegod]

Everybody who pays even the slightest attention to what occurs in the series already knows that these are facts. You clearly aren't one of those people. :lol

lol I respectfully disagree. Don't have time to argue like we used too. haha

 

[Unorthodox]

isnt the Anime and Manga of Dragonball both canon though i never watched the manga

 

[Unorthodox]

Lmao actually think about what you are saying before you say it. Originally Toriyama had Beerus as a 10 while Goku was a 6 in comparison. If that shitty "60-70%" nonsense was still true then Kaioken x10 on top of SSJ God let alone Blue would make Goku 6x stronger than Beerus. Shit was obviously retconned.

No, Base Vegito is not equal to a combination of Blue x20 Goku and Blue Vegeta.
No, that wouldn't make his Base stronger than unmastered UI.
No, the bold literally has not a damn thing to do with anything stated. Their fusion pushed a Goku low on stamina into UI, and then she got her ass beat.

-Vegito Blue is only stated to be stronger than Beerus while charging his Final Kamehameha, and as we know Ki swells up far beyond it's normal level while charging attacks as shown in the original DBZ. (Piccolo's Power level was barely 400 against Raditz yet when he used Special Beam Cannon his Power Level swelled up to around 1300, stronger than the Raditz who was pushing his shit in the entire fight) Meaning his regular fighting power is inferior to Beerus's. Fact.

-Jiren before unleashing his hidden power is stronger than every single God of Destruction. Fact.

-MUI Goku stomped, not beat, stomped Full Power Jiren. Fact.

-Hidden Power Jiren>>Full Power Jiren>GoDs. Fact.

-MUI still beat Hidden Power Jiren with some difficulty.

Vegeta's new form and Kaioken aren't pushing Vegito beyond Mastered Ultra Instinct's level. Then we have the fact that if Vegito has X20 Kaioken and Beyond Blue this is anime Goku and anime Vegeta fusing into Vegito, and anime Vegito struggled with Zamasu while Manga Vegito stomped him. Anime Vegito was also never said to be stronger or as strong as Beerus.

Your post falls apart on the fact Saiyans have zenkai's. SSJB Goku Top arc is stronger SSJB Goku Zamasu arc.

goku in K20 ssjb was ragdolled by a toying jiren in their first Encounter later in the tournament he was able to take on a powered up Jiren who Belmond said he has not seen jiren use that much power in a long time.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your post falls apart on the fact Saiyans have zenkai's. SSJB Goku Top arc is stronger SSJB Goku Zamasu arc.

goku in K20 ssjb was ragdolled by a toying jiren in their first Encounter later in the tournament he was able to take on a powered up Jiren who Belmond said he has not seen jiren use that much power in a long time.

So? Lmfao.

-Doesn't change how power level and ki charged blasts work.
-Doesn't change the retcon.
-Doesn't mean that Base Vegito=Goku and Vegeta at their maximums

 

[Tantalus Thief]

isnt the Anime and Manga of Dragonball both canon though i never watched the manga

I'd imagine the manga is more canon since anime only stuff like this isn't mentioned anywhere in things like the BOG/ROF movies or DBS

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and Toriyama wrote the manga Toei made the anime.

So stop slurping Vegito. He needs SSJ to beat Buuhan.

 

[ARGUS]

Goku comfortably wins this

 

[Zee U]

Vegetto shitstomps with Kaioken, I don't have UI Goku more than 2x Beerus.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So? Lmfao.

-Doesn't change how power level and ki charged blasts work.
-Doesn't change the retcon.
-Doesn't mean that Base Vegito=Goku and Vegeta at their maximums

what do you mean so? Thats valid bruh. At the start of the Tournament of power goku was getting clapped by jiren in any form outside of ultra instinct. By the end of it goku and vegeta were able to trade blows with him.

 

[Unorthodox]

-Doesn't change how power level and ki charged blasts work.

Yes it does in their first fight Goku spirit bomb was nothing Jiren while later on jiren had to use effort to stop kama (Whatever) and kai blast.

Doesn't change the retcon.

Huh?

Doesn't mean that Base Vegito=Goku and Vegeta at their maximums

Yes it does. Gotenks at his base power level is well above ssj1 and he's a normal fusion. SSG Goku was handling Kale and caulifla with ease basically once they became kefla and her base she swatted SSG like nothing. Which would put Base Vegito clearly above Beyond blue Vegeta or Goku ssb k20.