[VS] Perfect ultra instinct goku vs. vegitto blue

[BenjerminGaye]

Then why not just use ssb vegitto to stomp jiren then? We don’t know where ssb vegitto and jiren stand against the gods other than “they’re stronger” so why assume everything else? Jiren was already stronger than the GOD’s when the tourney started, he still went way beyond that, and you still think ssb vegitto would be so much stronger? The jump from ssbkk20 to mui IS that big. How else do you explain goku going from continually being ragdolled to the one doing the ragdolling? Goku went ssb, got stomped. Went ssbkk20 and attacked with evo vegeta, got stomped again. Goes ui and levels the playing field, goes mui and stomps him. Goku in mui got hit, but other than when the physical stress kicked in, where does it show him hurt? Tired? Breathing hard? Stressed out? Mui goku didn’t just beat jiren, he completely outclassed him. he took like 2 of his high powered beam attacks and other than taking a few seconds to get up, shrugged it off. He Canceled out another, and knocked another 2 away like nothing

The only reason i assume so much is because of Kefla's performance. A Super Saiyan 2 has no business coming close to someone who has and uses god ki. we already saw this then ss3 goku fought beerus and got his ass handed to him. But because of how broken the patora earing are she didn't just close the gap. She exceeded it. X20 ssb kaioken goku was losing to a ss2. let that sink, then use the same line of logic for a SSB, let alone a x20 kaioken ssb, let alone a beyond blue ssb.

The gap between those 2 things cant be smaller than the gap between Mui and ui.

Them standing dont mean shit to be cuz as it stands vegeta on his own already beat a fckin god. We already know that SSb vegito is stronger than beerus, putting him around base jiren (assuming were going of trunks arc and not current arc). Vegito with beyond blue rivalling the x20 kaioken and the x20 kaioken. puts vegeto above both.

Cuz fusions are broken like that.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

The only reason i assume so much is because of Kefla's performance. A Super Saiyan 2 has no business coming close to someone who has and uses god ki. we already saw this then ss3 goku fought beerus and got his ass handed to him. But because of how broken the patora earing are she didn't just close the gap. She exceeded it. X20 ssb kaioken goku was losing to a ss2. let that sink, then use the same line of logic for a SSB, let alone a x20 kaioken ssb, let alone a beyond blue ssb.

The gap between those 2 things cant be smaller than the gap between Mui and ui.

Them standing dont mean shit to be cuz as it stands vegeta on his own already beat a fckin god. We already know that SSb vegito is stronger than beerus, putting him around base jiren (assuming were going of trunks arc and not current arc). Vegito with beyond blue rivalling the x20 kaioken and the x20 kaioken. puts vegeto above both.

Cuz fusions are broken like that.

Kefla wasn’t 2 ssj2’s tho, it was an ssj2(arguably u6’s goku) and an lssj. Yea, 2 ss2’s shouldn’t get close to even an ssg. But it wasn’t 2 ssj2’s and we don’t know what kind of power lssj gave kale other than making everyone take notice and her giving ssb goku trouble on her own

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kefla wasn’t 2 ssj2’s tho, it was an ssj2(arguably u6’s goku) and an lssj. Yea, 2 ss2’s shouldn’t get close to even an ssg. But it wasn’t 2 ssj2’s and we don’t know what kind of power lssj gave kale other than making everyone take notice and her giving ssb goku trouble on her own

ssg goku was still able to beat them before they fused. and technically it's a ss2. Her muscle mass reverted back down. Further solidifying my point. Once he started using god ki, regular ss modes couldn't compare

 

[EZQ]

Horrible logic. Incomplete UI was being beaten by Jiren meanwhile Complete UI smacked him around with utter ease. This logic is horrible. Vegito Blue is said to be probably stronger than Beerus while charging his Final Kamehameha. UI Goku is stated to completely surpass the Gods of Destruction and he fodder slapped Jiren after the latter had powered up to almost full power (stronger than any GoD) and still has the advantage over him in the preview despite Jiren going through another large power up.

This is not a contest. Vegito loses and it's not close. :lol Jiren and Goku are at a level where only an Angel or above can take them out. x20 Kaioken is irrelevant. Beyond SSJ Blue is irrelevant too. The power gap is too large.

I dropped DBS. So please tell me, has the bold been stated already? If it was, who said it? And was it stated that they're close to angel level?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

ssg goku was still able to beat them before they fused. and technically it's a ss2. Her muscle mass reverted back down. Further solidifying my point. Once he started using god ki, regular ss modes couldn't compare

You can’t disregard it though, and fully powered up kefla had the green tint to her hair, and also used the green full screen color changing attack, which has been an lssj thing since broly. Her muscle mass was only reduced because she gained control of her lssj power. Kales a shit tier fighter as far as skill goes, which is why her berserk state pushed goku more than her controlled state. The other thing is I’d put omen ui goku, full powered kefla, and base(ish) jiren around the same power. This is just based on everyone’s reaction to omen during the kefla goku fight. Even kefla was disappointed by omen ui’s power output, suggesting hers was close. So math not adding up notwithstanding. Gokus feats from ui to mui prove my point to an extent. Furthered by the fact that omen never hit full power, until obviously ui. Omens an incomplete form

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You can’t disregard it though, and fully powered up kefla had the green tint to her hair, and also used the green full screen color changing attack, which has been an lssj thing since broly. Her muscle mass was only reduced because she gained control of her lssj power. Kales a shit tier fighter as far as skill goes, which is why her berserk state pushed goku more than her controlled state. The other thing is I’d put omen ui goku, full powered kefla, and base(ish) jiren around the same power. This is just based on everyone’s reaction to omen during the kefla goku fight. Even kefla was disappointed by omen ui’s power output, suggesting hers was close. So math not adding up notwithstanding. Gokus feats from ui to mui prove my point to an extent. Furthered by the fact that omen never hit full power, until obviously ui. Omens an incomplete form

both regular kale and califa can do that kale's is green and califa's is red. Its not really linked to a specific form since califa was a regular ss when she did it. Even so it's still isn't god ki. its not comparable to SSb vegito which logically is above that given the super super saiyan state.

The way i see it:

hypothetical Vegito(with the x20 and beyond blue)
Mui Goku
FP jiren
Ui goku/jiren/ssb vegito/beerus
kefla


then the rest

 

[InfiniteMugen]

both regular kale and califa can do that kale's is green and califa's is red. Its not really linked to a specific form since califa was a regular ss when she did it. Even so it's still isn't god ki. its not comparable to SSb vegito which logically is above that given the super super saiyan state.

The way i see it:

hypothetical Vegito(with the x20 and beyond blue)
Mui Goku
FP jiren
Ui goku/jiren/ssb vegito/beerus
kefla


then the rest

Fair enough. We have differing opinions and there’s nothing wrong with that. The way I see it, just like you say any non regular form shouldn’t come close to God Ki, that’s how I feel about mui. No normal form using God Ki, should be able to match an actual godly form using God Ki. This is the real thing

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Fair enough. We have differing opinions and there’s nothing wrong with that. The way I see it, just like you say any non regular form shouldn’t come close to God Ki, that’s how I feel about mui. No normal form using God Ki, should be able to match an actual godly form using God Ki. This is the real thing

The only exception in my eyes is fusions.
Califa doesn't have god ki but is able to exceed those that have it. I don't see why vegito would be any different when it comes to ui/mui

 

[EZQ]

Lmao, people, stop arguing about DBS's power levels. They make absolutely no sense.

 

[Draegod]

I dropped DBS. So please tell me, has the bold been stated already? If it was, who said it? And was it stated that they're close to angel level?

No. It hasn't been stated no where as of yet, just fan opinions on what they deem to be true based on their perception of the current fight. Beerus also has Ultra instinc and played with the other gods when using it (not serious mind you). Nor has Whis confirmed if Jiren is the warrior a God could not beat, it could be the warrior Jiren is still till this day trying to surpass since that mysterious warrior has yet to be confirmed dead.

All in all, Mastered UI Goku is clearly stronger then Hidden power Jiren (the form he took to combat MUI), but we've yet to see any of the gods fight serious and don't know who is the plateu to judge where to rank from.

But a hypothetical Super saiyan Blue 2 (vegeta's version) Kaoken X20 should mollywop Jiren as well with no difficulty! Seeing how both Goku and vegeta held there own while landing and taking hits before being defeated by jiren. Hell Hit eventually adabted to Jiren and was able to straight up block his hits.

 

[KidGamer65]

I dropped DBS. So please tell me, has the bold been stated already? If it was, who said it? And was it stated that they're close to angel level?

It was already stated in promotional materials that UI Goku surpasses the power of the gods of destruction and that he might be stronger than Beerus. Apply the rest of the statements about Jirens power (stronger than a GoD even before unleashing his hidden power) and the conclusion is pretty clear.

No one has said they are angel level yet though.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I’d say MUI Goku would beat Vegito beyond blue x20 Kaoken (if that’s even a thing) with high difficulty.

 

[EZQ]

No. It hasn't been stated no where as of yet, just fan opinions on what they deem to be true based on their perception of the current fight. Beerus also has Ultra instinc and played with the other gods when using it (not serious mind you). Nor has Whis confirmed if Jiren is the warrior a God could not beat, it could be the warrior Jiren is still till this day trying to surpass since that mysterious warrior has yet to be confirmed dead.

All in all, Mastered UI Goku is clearly stronger then Hidden power Jiren (the form he took to combat MUI), but we've yet to see any of the gods fight serious and don't know who is the plateu to judge where to rank from.

But a hypothetical Super saiyan Blue 2 (vegeta's version) Kaoken X20 should mollywop Jiren as well with no difficulty! Seeing how both Goku and vegeta held there own while landing and taking hits before being defeated by jiren. Hell Hit eventually adabted to Jiren and was able to straight up block his hits.

Hit is a beast tho.

 

[adeshina365]

Logically Vegito should would win this, but somehow MUI Goku will win.

 

[Unorthodox]

I’d say MUI Goku would beat Vegito beyond blue x20 Kaoken (if that’s even a thing) with high difficulty.

Im Curious to why you think that?

My logic is based off simple math.

Vegeta beyond ssb > God Toppo who is atleast in the god of destruction tier obviously he would lose to them all.
Goku SSB K20 is At least that level or around it, In dragon ball fusions have never been 2+2 = 4 except for Majin buu
in dbz Base Vegito >=Buuhan>>>>>>>>>Ultimate Gohan> SSJ3 goku
so logically we should assume in DBS a base Vegito >>>>>>>>>>> SSB Beyond blue Vegeta if that logic is sound he would murk jiren and probably be easily Angel tier with blue and k20.
Vegito wins Jiren with raw power was able to land multiple blows on MUI Goku and possibly could have won if he was not so surprised by Goku stamina.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Im Curious to why you think that?

My logic is based off simple math.

Vegeta beyond ssb > God Toppo who is atleast in the god of destruction tier obviously he would lose to them all.
Goku SSB K20 is At least that level or around it, In dragon ball fusions have never been 2+2 = 4 except for Majin buu
in dbz Base Vegito >=Buuhan>>>>>>>>>Ultimate Gohan> SSJ3 goku
so logically we should assume in DBS a base Vegito >>>>>>>>>>> SSB Beyond blue Vegeta if that logic is sound he would murk jiren and probably be easily Angel tier with blue and k20.
Vegito wins Jiren with raw power was able to land multiple blows on MUI Goku and possibly could have won if he was not so surprised by Goku stamina.

Even when it comes to raw ki amount SS2 kefla>> UI goku. Only difference is she's not a fighter but a brawler. So she lost.

But shit like that does not apply to vegito since both vegeta and goku are accomplished Martial artists.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Horrible logic. Incomplete UI was being beaten by Jiren meanwhile Complete UI smacked him around with utter ease. This logic is horrible. Vegito Blue is said to be probably stronger than Beerus while charging his Final Kamehameha. UI Goku is stated to completely surpass the Gods of Destruction and he fodder slapped Jiren after the latter had powered up to almost full power (stronger than any GoD) and still has the advantage over him in the preview despite Jiren going through another large power up.

This is not a contest. Vegito loses and it's not close. :lol Jiren and Goku are at a level where only an Angel or above can take them out. x20 Kaioken is irrelevant. Beyond SSJ Blue is irrelevant too. The power gap is too large.

Using Beerus as your stepping stone as to why why Jiran and Goku would be stronger than Vegito is horrible. It was stated that god Goku alone made Beerus use up to 60-70 percent of his power. God Goku got x10 and then blue and then x20 blue.

Veegito base power at 0 would be = To Blue x20 Goku and blue Vegeta. That alone puts his base>>>>>>Unmastered UI Goku and Base Jiren equals. And the reason for this is because x20 blue Goku and Blue Vegeta shits on Kale and califa and there shitty fusion pushed Goku to UI.

Actually this is a stomp match for Veegito.Vegito w/e his name is.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Im Curious to why you think that?

My logic is based off simple math.

Vegeta beyond ssb > God Toppo who is atleast in the god of destruction tier obviously he would lose to them all.
Goku SSB K20 is At least that level or around it, In dragon ball fusions have never been 2+2 = 4 except for Majin buu
in dbz Base Vegito >=Buuhan>>>>>>>>>Ultimate Gohan> SSJ3 goku
so logically we should assume in DBS a base Vegito >>>>>>>>>>> SSB Beyond blue Vegeta if that logic is sound he would murk jiren and probably be easily Angel tier with blue and k20.
Vegito wins Jiren with raw power was able to land multiple blows on MUI Goku and possibly could have won if he was not so surprised by Goku stamina.

You sound dumb af with all these >>> but you’re point is right

 

[Edogawa]

What kind of chump still watches this shitty cartoon?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Im Curious to why you think that?

My logic is based off simple math.

Vegeta beyond ssb > God Toppo who is atleast in the god of destruction tier obviously he would lose to them all.
Goku SSB K20 is At least that level or around it, In dragon ball fusions have never been 2+2 = 4 except for Majin buu
in dbz Base Vegito >=Buuhan>>>>>>>>>Ultimate Gohan> SSJ3 goku
so logically we should assume in DBS a base Vegito >>>>>>>>>>> SSB Beyond blue Vegeta if that logic is sound he would murk jiren and probably be easily Angel tier with blue and k20.
Vegito wins Jiren with raw power was able to land multiple blows on MUI Goku and possibly could have won if he was not so surprised by Goku stamina.

based on what is base vegito superior or equal to buuhan. In the manga he went straight to ssj. only in the anime did he fight buuhan in base.