[VS] Perfect ultra instinct goku vs. vegitto blue

[rinnegan human puppet]

UI is far beyond vegito blue.

 

[PIOLO]

i did watch it. Im still giving it to vegito blue. As already said, a ss2 patora fusion of far weaker sayian's already pushed goku to incomplete Ui. So a fusion between stronger base saiyans going to a state leaps and bounds beyond SS2 means goku is taking that L. IDGAF

how about dbs episode 130?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

how about dbs episode 130?

all episode 130 did was confirm what i already believe. With raw power alone(jiren doesn't have MUI) he was able to land hits on goku, overpower goku's kamehameha, and in some cases hand him his ass.

Nothing puts jirens raw power to be leaps and bounds over that of a potara fusion of goku and vegeta. And when you couple x20 kaioken and vegeta's beyond blue to that vegeta beats his ass. With beyond blue vegeta was already beating a god candidate, and when working together they could pressure jiren.

Much like how kale and caulifa pressured ssg goku but when fused he had to skip ssb and ssbx20 and go up to MU
Beyond blue vegeta and ssb goku could pressure jiren, but if they were to fuse even his hidden power couldn't compete.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

all episode 130 did was confirm what i already believe. With raw power alone(jiren doesn't have MUI) he was able to land hits on goku, overpower goku's kamehameha, and in some cases hand him his ass.

Nothing puts jirens raw power to be leaps and bounds over that of a potara fusion of goku and vegeta. And when you couple x20 kaioken and vegeta's beyond blue to that vegeta beats his ass. With beyond blue vegeta was already beating a god candidate, and when working together they could pressure jiren.

Much like how kale and caulifa pressured ssg goku but when fused he had to skip ssb and ssbx20 and go up to MU
Beyond blue vegeta and ssb goku could pressure jiren, but if they were to fuse even his hidden power couldn't compete.

They barely pressured an un powered up jiren. Vegitto blue was said to be stronger than beerus? It couldn’tve been by much tbh. The fusion can’t do anything both of the people fused can’t do. So ssb evo and ssbkk10/20 aren’t possible. Jiren was already said to be stronger than the GOD’s before he powered up. MUI goku still beat his ass. I don’t see how ssb vegitto from an arc ago can keep up with mui goku

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

They barely pressured an un powered up jiren. Vegitto blue was said to be stronger than beerus? It couldn’tve been by much tbh. The fusion can’t do anything both of the people fused can’t do. So ssb evo and ssbkk10/20 aren’t possible. Jiren was already said to be stronger than the GOD’s before he powered up. MUI goku still beat his ass. I don’t see how ssb vegitto from an arc ago can keep up with mui goku

Nahhh. Vegito takes this. Kelfa was using SS2, but Vegito uses Vegeta's SSBlue in this scenario WITH Kaiokenx20.

No time limit for vegitto blue and having beyond blue vegetables + kaiokenx20

We've seen the gap between SS3 and God Form(which is weaker than SSB), so there's no question about this. The Kefla that imperfect UI Goku struggled vs is akin to the Goku that Beerus soloed with the flick of a finger. I'm sure mastered UI Goku got far stronger, but not that much stronger.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

They barely pressured an un powered up jiren. Vegitto blue was said to be stronger than beerus? It couldn’tve been by much tbh. The fusion can’t do anything both of the people fused can’t do. So ssb evo and ssbkk10/20 aren’t possible. Jiren was already said to be stronger than the GOD’s before he powered up. MUI goku still beat his ass. I don’t see how ssb vegitto from an arc ago can keep up with mui goku

Death battle:

No time limit for vegitto blue and having beyond blue vegetables + kaiokenx20

Full power both

Who win?

read the fckin thread.
And even without those stipulations that bold claim is bullshit. Fused zamasu was using super sayian rose even though zamasu aint a sayian and he can't go super.

 

[PIOLO]

read the fckin thread.
And even without those stipulations that bold claim is bullshit. Fused zamasu was using super sayian rose even though zamasu aint a sayian and he can't go super.

bro, it happened that goku does provide all power in 47mins if mui goku vs vegitto blue w/ a power combined beyond blue and kk20 start in zero minutes then I should go along with mui goku, did you notice that when jiren unlocked his hidden power and possess his previous power beats the hell out of him by mui goku, and I think he may have more power even beyond that mui form.

 

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read the fckin thread.
And even without those stipulations that bold claim is bullshit. Fused zamasu was using super sayian rose even though zamasu aint a sayian and he can't go super.

Dude I don’t give a f ck if vegitto can go ssbevo and then use kk20 with it. You can honestly say after seeing ep 130 that vegitto can take out mui goku? How? Jiren had all the gods shook minus the main angel and zeno and your hanging on to a claim that ssb vegitto is stronger than beerus. By how much? Is it enough to overcome mui? Full powered past limits jiren was only able land about 3 or 4 hits on him, and goku was still powering up. Ssb and all that are just forms that allow them to use God Ki and approach that level. Mastered Ultra Instinct is a form even god’s themselves have trouble attaining

 

[Boruto Uzumaki]

Ultra Instinct Goku takes this no dif.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Dude I don’t give a f ck if vegitto can go ssbevo and then use kk20 with it. You can honestly say after seeing ep 130 that vegitto can take out mui goku? How? Jiren had all the gods shook minus the main angel and zeno and your hanging on to a claim that ssb vegitto is stronger than beerus. By how much? Is it enough to overcome mui? Full powered past limits jiren was only able land about 3 or 4 hits on him, and goku was still powering up. Ssb and all that are just forms that allow them to use God Ki and approach that level. Mastered Ultra Instinct is a form even god’s themselves have trouble attaining

unmastered ui goku had the gods shook too and he had just barely managed to take out Super Saiyan 2 Kelfa. Now do you really think the gap between unmastered ui and mastered ui comes close to the gap between God form and SS3 Goku? Because if you do, congrats, you've got another problem because this gap is far bigger. The difference between UI and unmastered UI cannot be as big as the difference between SS2 and SSVegitox20.

Unmastered UI Goku forced Jiren to get serious, then mastered UI made Jiren go overboard. It's clear that he didn't get literal hundreds of times stronger like the gap between SS2 and God form entails.

 

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ui goku had the gods shook too and he had just barely managed to take out Super Saiyan 2 Kelfa. Now do you really think the gap between unmastered ui and mastered ui comes close to the gap between God form and SS3 Goku? Because if you do, congrats, you've got another problem because this gap is far bigger. It's the difference between SS2 and SSVegitox20.

So an unfullpowered ui where he couldn’t even attack properly is what your using here? It’s not just about power here, if vegitto can barely hit him, how’s he beat him? What has ssb vegitto shown that would put him on the level that jiren and goku where fighting at in ep 130? Hell goku was still powering up. What does power do when you can barely manage to hit your opponent? And if ssb vegitto had that level of power, why not just do that in the first place? Cause they wanted to showcase a more powerful form. Jiren increased his power dramatically and still got spanked

 

[Gabby-chan]

MUI Goku far surpasses SSG Vegito in terms of speed. As for raw power, I'm not sure, but Jiren has extremely strong ki and MUI Goku was able to ward it off with his own.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

So an unfullpowered ui where he couldn’t even attack properly is what your using here? It’s not just about power here, if vegitto can barely hit him, how’s he beat him? What has ssb vegitto shown that would put him on the level that jiren and goku where fighting at in ep 130? Hell goku was still powering up. What does power do when you can barely manage to hit your opponent? And if ssb vegitto had that level of power, why not just do that in the first place? Cause they wanted to showcase a more powerful form. Jiren increased his power dramatically and still got spanked

Yes and no. What I'm saying is the unmastered UI struggled vs SS2 Kefla, and that unmastered UI cannot possibly be that much weaker than mastered UI. Unmastered UI allowed Goku to make Jiren serious, then mastered UI allowed him to force Jiren overboard, so the gap clearly isn't all that insane. Now compare Vegito to Kefla. Vegito has Vegeta's Blue God form. Kefla has SS2. We've seen that just the normal God form absolutely shits on SS3 in power. Ok, now let's worsen that gap. Compare Vegita's God form that's a better form of SBB which is a better form of the normal God form. Then replace SS3 with SS2. Now throw in the x20.

I realize that unmastered UI Goku powered up against Jiren and got stronger than he was vs Kefla, but the fact that Jiren was not effortlessly smashing Goku's shit in before the powerups is a sure sign that the gap between unmastered UI and perfected UI isn't as insane as SS2's distance from Vegito's SSB2x20. I make the assumption that Vegito's base = Kefla's going by Goku's statement that he and Cauliflower had roughly similar base levels, so the deciding factor is ultimately the gap between the forms.

Also, characters get faster when they powerup besides a few exceptions such as SS1.5. Like, that doesn't even need to be said. If they didn't, Jiren would have NEVER been able to touch Goku since he couldn't even hit unmastered UI Goku earlier on.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yes and no. What I'm saying is the unmastered UI struggled vs SS2 Kefla, and that unmastered UI cannot possibly be that much weaker than mastered UI. Unmastered UI allowed Goku to make Jiren serious, then mastered UI allowed him to force Jiren overboard, so the gap clearly isn't all that insane. Now compare Vegito to Kefla. Vegito has Vegeta's Blue God form. Kefla has SS2. We've seen that just the normal God form absolutely shits on SS3 in power. Ok, now let's worsen that gap. Compare Vegita's God form that's a better form of SBB which is a better form of the normal God form. Then replace SS3 with SS2. Now throw in the x20.

I realize that unmastered UI Goku powered up against Jiren and got stronger than he was vs Kefla, but the fact that Jiren was not effortlessly smashing Goku's shit in before the powerups is a sure sign that the gap between unmastered UI and perfected UI isn't as insane as SS2's distance from Vegito's SSB2x20. I make the assumption that Vegito's base = Kefla's going by Goku's statement that he and Cauliflower had roughly similar base levels, so the deciding factor is ultimately the gap between the forms.

Also, characters get faster when they powerup besides a few exceptions such as SS1.5. Like, that doesn't even need to be said. If they didn't, Jiren would have NEVER been able to touch Goku since he couldn't even hit unmastered UI Goku earlier on.

Meh, supers kind of inconsistent with that. For ex. Ssb kk20 goku and evo vegeta didn’t really do any better or diff against jiren then their normal blue selves. This is at 20x ssb gokus normal power WITH an equal powered vegeta. He went from not landing a hit, to whoopin his ass. So yea I’d say gokus powerup is that damn up there

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Meh, supers kind of inconsistent with that. For ex. Ssb kk20 goku and evo vegeta didn’t really do any better or diff against jiren then their normal blue selves. This is at 20x ssb gokus normal power WITH an equal powered vegeta. He went from not landing a hit, to whoopin his ass. So yea I’d say gokus powerup is that damn up there

Ok, you have a point there, but this is still a bit different.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Ok, you have a point there, but this is still a bit different.

Yea I get what your saying it really shouldn’t be, and even then they could of done a lot better with the power scaling. Personally if we’re talking straight power level, I think it’s close between the 2. I just think the general mechanics of mui are what would give goku the win.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

unmastered ui goku had the gods shook too and he had just barely managed to take out Super Saiyan 2 Kelfa. Now do you really think the gap between unmastered ui and mastered ui comes close to the gap between God form and SS3 Goku? Because if you do, congrats, you've got another problem because this gap is far bigger. The difference between UI and unmastered UI cannot be as big as the difference between SS2 and SSVegitox20.

Unmastered UI Goku forced Jiren to get serious, then mastered UI made Jiren go overboard. It's clear that he didn't get literal hundreds of times stronger like the gap between SS2 and God form entails.

Fcking thank you. This guy gets it.

And MUi's "mechanics" don't mean jack shit if he's still getting hit by someone who lacks Ui in any capacity.

SS2 cant compare to God ki in any capacity, yet with patora, a ss2 fusion forced goku to go beyond all of his god states, Fckins ss2, by weaker saiyans so less.

yet you want me to believe that the gap between mui and ui is bigger than the gap between a ss2 and someone who's went beyond super saiyan god and not just beyond, far beyond, as in two whole forms beyond.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Fcking thank you. This guy gets it.

And MUi's "mechanics" don't mean jack shit if he's still getting hit by someone who lacks Ui in any capacity.

SS2 cant compare to God ki in any capacity, yet with patora, a ss2 fusion forced goku to go beyond all of his god states, Fckins ss2, by weaker saiyans so less.

yet you want me to believe that the gap between mui and ui is bigger than the gap between a ss2 and someone who's went beyond super saiyan god and not just beyond, far beyond, as in two whole forms beyond.

Then why not just use ssb vegitto to stomp jiren then? We don’t know where ssb vegitto and jiren stand against the gods other than “they’re stronger” so why assume everything else? Jiren was already stronger than the GOD’s when the tourney started, he still went way beyond that, and you still think ssb vegitto would be so much stronger? The jump from ssbkk20 to mui IS that big. How else do you explain goku going from continually being ragdolled to the one doing the ragdolling? Goku went ssb, got stomped. Went ssbkk20 and attacked with evo vegeta, got stomped again. Goes ui and levels the playing field, goes mui and stomps him. Goku in mui got hit, but other than when the physical stress kicked in, where does it show him hurt? Tired? Breathing hard? Stressed out? Mui goku didn’t just beat jiren, he completely outclassed him. he took like 2 of his high powered beam attacks and other than taking a few seconds to get up, shrugged it off. He Canceled out another, and knocked another 2 away like nothing.

Not arguing just to argue, as the size of the jump is questionable as you guys are saying. But going off what we see both do and their forms I just don’t see it personally. I don’t see a fusion using God Ki competing against someone using an actual godly form. For even gods to want to achieve mui the power jumps gotta be pretty damn big. Also, kefla wasn’t so much a fusion of 2 ss2’s as it is an ss2 and an lssj so I don’t know that keeps being brought up. She DID use lssj attacks. Plus overall, let’s not forget we’re talking dbs here, not best known for its power scaling

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Then why not just use ssb vegitto to stomp jiren then? We don’t know where ssb vegitto and jiren stand against the gods other than “they’re stronger” so why assume everything else? Jiren was already stronger than the GOD’s when the tourney started, he still went way beyond that, and you still think ssb vegitto would be so much stronger? The jump from ssbkk20 to mui IS that big. How else do you explain goku going from continually being ragdolled to the one doing the ragdolling? Goku went ssb, got stomped. Went ssbkk20 and attacked with evo vegeta, got stomped again. Goes ui and levels the playing field, goes mui and stomps him. Goku in mui got hit, but other than when the physical stress kicked in, where does it show him hurt? Tired? Breathing hard? Stressed out? Mui goku didn’t just beat jiren, he completely outclassed him. he took like 2 of his high powered beam attacks and other than taking a few seconds to get up, shrugged it off. He Canceled out another, and knocked another 2 away like nothing.

Not arguing just to argue, as the size of the jump is questionable as you guys are saying. But going off what we see both do and their forms I just don’t see it personally. I don’t see a fusion using God Ki competing against someone using an actual godly form. For even gods to want to achieve mui the power jumps gotta be pretty damn big. Also, kefla wasn’t so much a fusion of 2 ss2’s as it is an ss2 and an lssj so I don’t know that keeps being brought up. She DID use lssj attacks. Plus overall, let’s not forget we’re talking dbs here, not best known for its power scaling

I was just hoping not to get called out. :bdpf:

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I was just hoping not to get called out. :bdpf:

Lssj kale alone was giving ssb goku issues iirc. And she’s not really a fighter