Perfect Susanoo vs Gedo Mazo

[TRE MERCER]

So you donʻt have any scans to support your argument?

And when was it shown that GM is composed of the same things as humans?

Finally, you stated that slicing force ends the Mazou. Based on what? Even if slicing force inflicts more damage on the mazou than crushing force, why is it enough to end GM?

Ps cuts mountains Gedo Mazo gets the same treatment... A CT orbs tanks thousands of tons of rock yet was busted by a Bijuudama,Rasenshuriken,Magatas, that tanking feat isn't much since Hachibi took it and it lost a tail from a simply Kunai... Ps shockwaves turns Gedo Mazo into dust...

 

[KidGamer65]

You're comparing mountain-level attacks to planetary-level attacks. Even if what you say is true & CBT doesn't do as much damage as the DC is causes you still can't ignore the fact that the GM was trapped inside something that has it's own orbit & can maintain itself even after the sage had passed away.

No, I'm not. I'm just saying that those attacks being at that level doesn't mean that the thing trapped inside is getting hit with that amount of energy. Whatever damage is being inflicted, is minimal at the very b est. KN6 has nowhere near Mountain Level Durability, yet it survived a Mountain Range+ CT with zero damage. From what I can tell, if someone gets trapped in CT, its to keep them inside, not to kill them.

And none of the stuff in the bold translates to its durability, nor does it prove that its more durable than Perfect Susanoo,

 

[Draphsin]

No, I'm not. I'm just saying that those attacks being at that level doesn't mean that the thing trapped inside is getting hit with that amount of energy. Whatever damage is being inflicted, is minimal at the very b est. KN6 has nowhere near Mountain Level Durability, yet it survived a Mountain Range+ CT with zero damage. From what I can tell, if someone gets trapped in CT, its to keep them inside, not to kill them.

And none of the stuff in the bold translates to its durability, nor does it prove that its more durable than Perfect Susanoo,

You're underestimating the amount of energy & pressure that was used to create the moon, you can't compare it to other CBTs with a significantly lower gravitational force. Right now you're saying that the energy exerted by PS/Kurama + SS is more than what it took to compress the moon, which simply doesn't make sense.

The size of the jutsu depends on the amount of attraction it has. The amount of energy it takes to keep a normal CBT together may not be impressive since a bijuu can resist it, however the energy it would take to keep & maintain a CBT the size of a small planet is leagues above that.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're underestimating the amount of energy & pressure that was used to create the moon, you can't compare it to other CBTs with a significantly lower gravitational force. Right now you're saying that the energy exerted by PS/Kurama + SS is more than what it took to compress the moon, which simply doesn't make sense.

Never said that man. My comparison is showing that whatever energy it took to make the moon is completely irrelevant towards the energy exerted on the Mazo once trapped inside. I can compare it to other Chibaku Tensei because its all showing the same thing, the amount of damage isn't going to change what's being shown, its only going to change how much of it is being shown. Mountain Range+ CT did nothing to an entity nowhere near as durable as a Mountain.
Mountain Leveled CT did nothing to entities that are as durable as a Mountain.

Thus CT doesn't inflict the same amount of damage to the trapped target, as the amount of energy used to make the CT in the first place. Same goes for the Moon Sized one.

I'd be saying that, had the Moon Sized CT exerted that amount of energy right onto the Gedo Mazo, but it didn't, just how Nagato's CT didn't exert Mountain Range + Level energy onto KN6.

The size of the jutsu depends on the amount of attraction it has.
The amount of energy it takes to keep a normal CBT together may not be impressive since a bijuu can resist it, however the energy it would take to keep & maintain a CBT the size of a small planet is leagues above that.

Like I said above, its irrelevant. You keep referencing the amount of energy used to make the CT, even though both my examples show that the amount of energy used to form both are completely irrelevant. You are using the Mazo being trapped inside the Moon Sized Chibaku Tensei as some kind of durability feat for it, even though regardless of how big the CT is its not going to take any damage, so that isn't a durability feat for it no matter how you slice it.

-KN6 doesn't get Mountain Range+ Durability from being trapped inside CT w/o no injuries or damage, so the Gedo Mazo doesn't get Moon level durability from being trapped inside the Moon. It doesn't really say anything about its durability. At all.

 

[lanakui8]

Ps cuts mountains Gedo Mazo gets the same treatment...

So GM is only as durable as a mountain now? Where do you get this from? By your logic, a single bijuu dama vaporizes GM since it vaporizes a mountain

A CT orbs tanks thousands of tons of rock yet was busted by a Bijuudama,Rasenshuriken,Magatas, that tanking feat isn't much since Hachibi took it and it lost a tail from a simply Kunai... Ps shockwaves turns Gedo Mazo into dust...

By your above logic, the hachibi is far more durable than GM since a bijuudama vaporizes a mountain, and you said that since a PS slash cuts a mountain, it cuts GM as well, stop posting logical contradictions.

The CT nagato used is a spec of sand compared to the CT that was used on GM, which means that it would require thousands of times more power to bust GM than what was used to bust the CT core, and that puts GM on a completely different level of durability than PS. The bijuus tails are not as durable as the actual body, which is why the hachibi doesnʻt lose any tails when it takes a bijuudama to the chest.

Finally, even if i didnʻt bring any of that up, GM takes no damage from CT, it comes out of it completely unscathed and in the same shape it was when it went into it. So CT is easily not the upper limit of GMʻs durability and therefore how in the world do you claim that PS cuts it when tanking CT only gives us the lowest limit of its durability?

Nope, its not,
PS wrecks the GM and is overall superior

Ghetto Mazou is from the ghetto.

Ghetto Mazou > Black zetsu > Juubidara > PS

 

[Draphsin]

Never said that man. My comparison is showing that whatever energy it took to make the moon is completely irrelevant towards the energy exerted on the Mazo once trapped inside.

I'm not talking about once trapped inside, this is during the moons creation that I'm talking about, during the massive energy output.

I can compare it to other Chibaku Tensei because its all showing the same thing, the amount of damage isn't going to change what's being shown, its only going to change how much of it is being shown.

The smaller CBTs were created using less gravitational energy, much less. Yes, we know that a normal CBT doesn't have enough energy to crush something with much less durability than it [i.e a bijuu] but we can't compare that to a jutsu that's hundreds of times more powerful.

Mountain Range+ CT did nothing to an entity nowhere near as durable as a Mountain.
Mountain Leveled CT did nothing to entities that are as durable as a Mountain.

& I already said even if this is the case it doesn't change the fact that the jutsu used was on a planetary level. Okay so the GM is far less durable than a moon leveled CBT, well thousands if not tens of thousands of mountains could easily fit on that moon. The comparison still doesn't fit even if the durability of the GM is nowhere near the moon.

You're saying that the moon sized CBT can only output around 0.001% [roughly the size of the GM] of energy compared to it's size since it doesn't have enough to crush the GM proper. However if we follow that logic then a KN6 should've easily been able to brake out of the CBT that trapped him since a smaller CBT would logically output a lower amount of energy [0.001% it's size].

Since kurama could only break free once it gained it's 8th tail, that shows us that the CBT used to trap it outputted much more than 0.001% it's actual size, & if the moon-leveled CBT follows that same power scale then the GM would have to be enormous in order to prevent itself from getting crushed by it.

My point, if the moon didn't have enough energy to crush the GM then nagato's CBT shouldn't have had enough energy to restrain KN6.

Thus CT doesn't inflict the same amount of damage to the trapped target, as the amount of energy used to make the CT in the first place. Same goes for the Moon Sized one.

It's not about damage it's about gravity, if a gravitational force becomes too strong it will crush you. Th energy all comes from the same place, the core. There's no difference in energy between the actual creation of the jutsu & the damage done to the target, it's all one gravitational force.

Judging by the normal sized CBTs, they simply don't have enough gravitational force to crush something like a bijuu, however they do have enough energy to restrain something larger than 0.001% it's size. With that being said, you're telling me that the moon sized CBT doesn't have enough energy to crush something smaller than a mountain, yet it has it's own orbit & nagato's didn't. It doesn't add up.

I'd be saying that, had the Moon Sized CT exerted that amount of energy right onto the Gedo Mazo, but it didn't, just how Nagato's CT didn't exert Mountain Range + Level energy onto KN6.

What do you mean "onto"? The core of the jutsu determines the amount of energy used, the GM got affected by the same amount of energy that the moon itself did, it was all one gravitational force.

Nagato exerted enough energy to attract mountains, that doesn't mean it's enough energy to crush KN6-8, however the moon is a different case since it's on a completely different level as far as energy output goes.

Like I said above, its irrelevant. You keep referencing the amount of energy used to make the CT, even though both my examples show that the amount of energy used to form both are completely irrelevant.

That doesn't make sense, just because it has a large DC doesn't mean it has the same amount of energy to crush it's target. I talked about how the energy used to create the jutsu & restrain it's target all comes from one place, & therefore everything that gets caught in it will be affected by the same amount of energy.

You are using the Mazo being trapped inside the Moon Sized Chibaku Tensei as some kind of durability feat for it, even though regardless of how big the CT is its not going to take any damage, so that isn't a durability feat for it no matter how you slice it.

As I said above, you're saying that the moon has less than 0.001% of energy compared to it's size if it can't even crush something as small as the mazou.

-KN6 doesn't get Mountain Range+ Durability from being trapped inside CT w/o no injuries or damage, so the Gedo Mazo doesn't get Moon level durability from being trapped inside the Moon.

I never said he did, & I never said the gedo gains moon level durability, however it survived being crushed by the moon. The energy it takes to create something like the moon is enormous, & that same amount of energy was affecting the GM. Smaller CBTs simply don't output enough gravitational energy to crush a bijuu, however there's no way you can compare that amount of energy to the amount present in the creation of the moon.

 

[TRE MERCER]

So GM is only as durable as a mountain now? Where do you get this from? By your logic, a single bijuu dama vaporizes GM since it vaporizes a mountain


By your above logic, the hachibi is far more durable than GM since a bijuudama vaporizes a mountain, and you said that since a PS slash cuts a mountain, it cuts GM as well, stop posting logical contradictions.

The CT nagato used is a spec of sand compared to the CT that was used on GM, which means that it would require thousands of times more power to bust GM than what was used to bust the CT core, and that puts GM on a completely different level of durability than PS. The bijuus tails are not as durable as the actual body, which is why the hachibi doesnʻt lose any tails when it takes a bijuudama to the chest.

Finally, even if i didnʻt bring any of that up, GM takes no damage from CT, it comes out of it completely unscathed and in the same shape it was when it went into it. So CT is easily not the upper limit of GMʻs durability and therefore how in the world do you claim that PS cuts it when tanking CT only gives us the lowest limit of its durability?




Ghetto Mazou is from the ghetto.

Ghetto Mazou > Black zetsu > Juubidara > PS

Can't even take you serious...

 

[ARGUS]

Ghetto Mazou is from the ghetto.

Ghetto Mazou > Black zetsu > Juubidara > PS

Yeah to can go with that
Ghetto mazo >>>>>>> gedo mazo

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not talking about once trapped inside, this is during the moons creation that I'm talking about, during the massive energy output.

Doesn't really matter which part you were referring to, because no kind of energy is exerted on the target of the CT, no matter which phase of creation its in.

The smaller CBTs were created using less gravitational energy, much less. Yes, we know that a normal CBT doesn't have enough energy to crush something with much less durability than it [i.e a bijuu] but we can't compare that to a jutsu that's hundreds of times more powerful.

Uh, no. Its not that it didn't have enough energy, its that it exerted no energy whatsoever. That is how CT works, thus the same goes for the Moon Sized CT.

& I already said even if this is the case it doesn't change the fact that the jutsu used was on a planetary level. Okay so the GM is far less durable than a moon leveled CBT, well thousands if not tens of thousands of mountains could easily fit on that moon. The comparison still doesn't fit even if the durability of the GM is nowhere near the moon.

The Jutsu being used on a planetary level isn't going to change this, because that is how the jutsu works. That comparison shows that even though the attack carried energy that'd classify it as a Mountain Range+ level attack, it didn't do anything at all, to something that is far from being as durable as a Mountain. Thus CT does no damage to the thing at the center, it only traps them. Kabuto only supports this. He wanted to make them into starts and capture them.

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And yes, he wanted to capture them, or at least Naruto. Ningendo to kill him temporarily, and Jigokudo to bring him back. "What was the other way again" (Referring to CT)

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Can't do that if they've been turned to paste. CT doesn't damage, it traps.

You're saying that the moon sized CBT can only output around 0.001% [roughly the size of the GM] of energy compared to it's size since it doesn't have enough to crush the GM proper. However if we follow that logic then a KN6 should've easily been able to brake out of the CBT that trapped him since a smaller CBT would logically output a lower amount of energy [0.001% it's size]

Never said that. It exerts no energy on the target. At least no amount that'd do anything. It only traps them inside. Don't know why you are trying to correlate the energy used to create it and the amount of power you need to break out of it, but they are not the same thing, not at all.

Since kurama could only break free once it gained it's 8th tail, that shows us that the CBT used to trap it outputted much more than 0.001% it's actual size, & if the moon-leveled CBT follows that same power scale then the GM would have to be enormous in order to prevent itself from getting crushed by it.

Read above.

My point, if the moon didn't have enough energy to crush the GM then nagato's CBT shouldn't have had enough energy to restrain KN6.

Except crushing and restraining are two different things, nor am I seeing the correlation here.

It's not about damage it's about gravity, if a gravitational force becomes too strong it will crush you. Th energy all comes from the same place, the core. There's no difference in energy between the actual creation of the jutsu & the damage done to the target, it's all one gravitational force.

Except gravitational force isn't relevant once the Chibaku Tensei is made. If you are inside the CT, what you have to worry about being crushed by is the rocks, not gravitational force. Gravitational Force is what pulls you up there and keeps you up there, it isn't what crushes you.

If a rock falls on you what crushed you? Earth's gravitational force? Or the rock?

You clearly aren't understanding what I mean when I say "energy". It is about damage.

Judging by the normal sized CBTs, they simply don't have enough gravitational force to crush something like a bijuu, however they do have enough energy to restrain something larger than 0.001% it's size.

Ok.

With that being said, you're telling me that the moon sized CBT doesn't have enough energy to crush something smaller than a mountain, yet it has it's own orbit & nagato's didn't. It doesn't add up.

So? Size isn't durability. Not seeing how Nagato's CT restraining KN6 means that the Moon CT should have been able to crush the Mazo.

What do you mean "onto"? The core of the jutsu determines the amount of energy used, the GM got affected by the same amount of energy that the moon itself did, it was all one gravitational force.

Uh, wrong. The core doesn't determine the amount of energy used, the user's strength determines the amount of energy used. Gedo Mazo wasn't hit with Moon Leveled Energy unless you want to say that KN6 was hit with Mountain Range + Level energy and survived.

Gravitational Force is NOT equivalent to the amount of energy that the attack contains. Gravitational force is the same for every CT, the only difference is the power that the user has. The more they have, the more they can put into the jutsu, thus the larger it will become. If Gravitational Force changed, then it'd start attracting larger objects than it normally would, or it'd attract them at a faster rate.

When I say onto, I mean the energy exerted onto the target. If I hit you, I've exerted energy and applied it to where I hit you. Same goes for the CT.

Nagato exerted enough energy to attract mountains, that doesn't mean it's enough energy to crush KN6-8, however the moon is a different case since it's on a completely different level as far as energy output goes.

He didn't attract Mountains, he only attracted rubble until it grew to a size beyond that of a Mountain. The energy that CT contains is Mountain Range + because it is Mountain Range + Sized. Thus to destroy it, it'd take an attack beyond Mountain Range + Level.

That doesn't make sense, just because it has a large DC doesn't mean it has the same amount of energy to crush it's target. I talked about how the energy used to create the jutsu & restrain it's target all comes from one place, & therefore everything that gets caught in it will be affected by the same amount of energy.

CT is a Mountain Range + attack, thus it carries energy that makes it above Mountain Range leveled, but the target obviously isn't getting hit with that energy, thus the energy of the attack isn't a way to say that the thing tr

As I said above, you're saying that the moon has less than 0.001% of energy compared to it's size if it can't even crush something as small as the mazou.

I'm saying that no energy is exerted onto the objects in CT. Not saying anything else.

I never said he did, & I never said the gedo gains moon level durability, however it survived being crushed by the moon.

Except it was never crushed by the moon. The moon was formed with it at the center. I bet you a million dollars that KN6 wouldn't have survived a Mountain Range + Sized rock being slammed right on top of it. THAT is being crushed. This is not. If Gedo was crushed by the moon, it'd be dead.

The energy it takes to create something like the moon is enormous, & that same amount of energy was affecting the GM.

Uh, no, it wasn't.

Smaller CBTs simply don't output enough gravitational energy to crush a bijuu, however there's no way you can compare that amount of energy to the amount present in the creation of the moon.

Except what does the crushing isn't any kind of gravitational force, (Let alone gravitational energy, which I'm pretty sure you aren't even using correctly here) the rocks is what does the crushing, and even then, it doesn't really crush the target.

 

[Draphsin]

It exerts no energy on the target. At least no amount that'd do anything. It only traps them inside. Don't know why you are trying to correlate the energy used to create it and the amount of power you need to break out of it, but they are not the same thing, not at all.

Dude, you're telling me that CBT produces no amount of energy sufficient enough to crush it's target because it's made for "trapping". Seriously what kind of logic is that?

The core creates a gravitational force that attracts objects towards it. The reason why I'm correlating the two is because they're the same thing. Just because KN6 didn't get crushed by a lower attractive power [low enough to not crush him but high enough to attract mountains] doesn't mean that he has mountain level durability or that the moon can't crush anything it traps inside, especially when it has a much higher gravitational power than the other ones.

If a rock falls on you what crushed you? Earth's gravitational force? Or the rock?

Lol Well the fact that you said falls on proves that you're acknowledging the earth's gravity. A rock falling on you is a combination of the earth's gravity & the rock itself, because that rock wouldn't harm you in a place with no gravity. Therefore when you say "a rock fell on you & crushed you" You're really saying "a combination of the rock & the earth's gravity crushed you", & so both we're technically responsible for you being crushed.

 

[Unorthodox]

Perfect susanoo stomps. Draphsin desperate ass always trying to cling on to hope with Obito and the only reason i say this is because obito used the mazo perfectly meaning its his ability there by for you stand by argument if you honestly belive gedo mazo's body is durable enough to withstand the force of the moon smashing it in any way is a joke the Chibaku tensei orb isnt durable but since its the core of the jutsu its untouched by the rocks smashing in on it similar to what gedo mazo was when being sealed.

PS drags any big creation in Narutoverse except Juubi,SS,Kaguya's giant rabbit,

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude, you're telling me that CBT produces no amount of energy sufficient enough to crush it's target because it's made for "trapping". Seriously what kind of logic is that?

I'm telling you it doesn't produce that amount of energy BECAUSE that is what the manga shows. Don't get it twisted. That's also what Kabuto's intent shows, unless he planned to turn Naruto to paste before capturing him.

The core creates a gravitational force that attracts objects towards it. The reason why I'm correlating the two is because they're the same thing. Just because KN6 didn't get crushed by a lower attractive power [low enough to not crush him but high enough to attract mountains] doesn't mean that he has mountain level durability or that the moon can't crush anything it traps inside, especially when it has a much higher gravitational power than the other ones.

Lol, I don't know why you keep trying to relate the energy doing the crushing with the amount of gravitational force used to attract the rubble, (Not Mountains, rubble that gradually becomes over Mountain Sized, big difference) but they aren't the same thing. Stop trying to differentiate the attractive power. From what you can tell there is NO difference. The only difference is the amount of rubble that is pulled up. If the force was different, then the rate at which the objects were being pulled up, and the size would be different.

The Moon would exert more energy on the target it's crushing because its larger. A Larger rock hitting you will exert more energy than a smaller rock hitting you. That's the energy I'm talking about, not gravitational force, which isn't even the same thing. KN6 was trapped in a Mountain Range + Level CT, so he should have had Mountain Range+ Level energy hitting him, yet he didn't, thus CT doesn't exert its energy onto the target.

Attractive power isn't what failed to crush KN6. Explain how attractive power crushes anyone to begin with? Doesn't even make sense. KN6 wasn't crushed by those rocks, meaning those rocks put no force at him, at all.

Well the fact that you said falls on proves that you're acknowledging the earth's gravity. A rock falling on you is a combination of the earth's gravity & the rock itself, because that rock wouldn't harm you in a place with no gravity. Therefore when you say "a rock fell on you & crushed you" You're really saying "a combination of the rock & the earth's gravity crushed you", & so both we're technically responsible for you being crushed.

A rock falls because of gravity, a rock crushes because of the rock itself. The rock falls because of gravity, but the thing that actually does the crushing is the rock, simple as that. Gravitational Force on it's own never crushed anyone. Ever. That is my main point. So why do you keep saying the attractive force is doing the crushing.

 

[KingHashirama]

No there isn't, the force of the CBT used to create the moon was enough to create a planet sized structure. With that amount of pressure anything else would be crushed.

False, it was turned into the core of the moon via a special jutsu that uses chakra. <<< you can't apply normal science to it. Why? Because for all we know, the rocks probably stop putting pressure once they are all connected.

 

[Draphsin]

Perfect susanoo stomps. Draphsin desperate ass always trying to cling on to hope with Obito and the only reason i say this is because obito used the mazo perfectly meaning its his ability there by for you stand by argument if you honestly belive gedo mazo's body is durable enough to withstand the force of the moon smashing it in any way is a joke the Chibaku tensei orb isnt durable but since its the core of the jutsu its untouched by the rocks smashing in on it similar to what gedo mazo was when being sealed.

Dude just stfu, you & your sausage wanking ass have lost credibility a long time ago. U_U

I'm telling you it doesn't produce that amount of energy BECAUSE that is what the manga shows. Don't get it twisted. That's also what Kabuto's intent shows, unless he planned to turn Naruto to paste before capturing him.

The manga showed us no such thing, the manga showed us that the force produced by a low leveled CBT isn't enough to crush something like KN6. The manga never said or showed us that any & all CBTs don't have enough force to crush a target, you keep saying that the CBTs that didn't crush their targets prove that a moon-leveled one wouldn't either, but I'm saying that the force which created the smaller ones simply wasn't enough.

As for kabuto, really? He didn't have to make the jutsu as large as the one nagato himself used, you can use it for trapping purposes, that still doesn't mean it can't be used to crush something if given enough energy/pressure.

(Not Mountains, rubble that gradually becomes over Mountain Sized, big difference)

I'm not trying to hype anything up, in fact this supports what I'm saying, if it doesn't have enough energy to attract huge things such as mountains then it's even more likely that KN6 wouldn't have gotten crushed.

Lol, I don't know why you keep trying to relate the energy doing the crushing with the amount of gravitational force used to attract the rubble, but they aren't the same thing.

They are the same thing, it makes absolutely no sense to believe otherwise, just because the jutsu can attract rubble doesn't mean that it can crush it's target, however both the rubble & the target are both being affected by the same amount of force.

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is what happens when a ninja gets hit into a rock, the rock crumbles yet the person's body is more or less fine. Obito shouldn't have half of his face, in fact he should've died instantly when the rock

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. Onoki

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, doesn't get crushed. Kakashi survives a ST, the same ST than

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behind him. This shows us that ninja are more durable than rocks/boulders/rubble, meaning it would take much less force to break them apart as opposed to crushing an actual human.

This is the reason why I'm saying that they have the same amount of energy, because it takes much more to crush a human than it does a rock & so even if the rocks were being pulled in & crushed that doesn't mean the target has to be as well.

Stop trying to differentiate the attractive power. From what you can tell there is NO difference. The only difference is the amount of rubble that is pulled up. If the force was different, then the rate at which the objects were being pulled up, and the size would be different.

We have no idea of the size of the rubble that was pulled up to create the moon so I'm not sure what you're trying to compare here or how you can come to this conclusion.

The Moon would exert more energy on the target it's crushing because its larger. A Larger rock hitting you will exert more energy than a smaller rock hitting you. That's the energy I'm talking about, not gravitational force, which isn't even the same thing.

The moon has gravity, it has an orbit, that means it has a larger gravitational force than the lesser CBTs unless you think they also have an orbit. The moon is larger because it has a stronger gravitational force keeping it together.

KN6 was trapped in a Mountain Range + Level CT, so he should have had Mountain Range+ Level energy hitting him, yet he didn't, thus CT doesn't exert its energy onto the target.

No KN6 does not have mountain level durability just because he was trapped inside something that can attract a mountain range.

As I've constantly been explaining, that CBT simply didn't have enough gravitational energy to crush KN6. & As I said earlier rocks break apart much easier than the human body does & therefore it's logical to say that nagato's attractive power wasn't enough.

The moon is different, the moon has a strong enough gravitational power to produce an orbit, therefore it's attractive power is leagues above the one that nagato used, so comparing them would be illogical.

Attractive power isn't what failed to crush KN6. Explain how attractive power crushes anyone to begin with? Doesn't even make sense. KN6 wasn't crushed by those rocks, meaning those rocks put no force at him, at all.

If the attractive force is strong enough you'll be crushed, it's physics. The rocks were pulled up by the same amount of force that kept KN6 stuck there, so it wasn't enough to crush him alone otherwise he would've been as soon as he hit the jutsu.

A rock falls because of gravity, a rock crushes because of the rock itself.

Dude, if there was no such thing as gravity then a rock could never crush anything. A rock by itself can't crush you, that's like saying a knife stabs because of itself & not because of the person who stabbed you with it.

The rock falls because of gravity, but the thing that actually does the crushing is the rock.

Therefore the combined force of gravity [what makes the rock heavy enough to crush you in the first place] & the rock was responsible, not just the rock.

Gravitational Force on it's own never crushed anyone. Ever. That is my main point. So why do you keep saying the attractive force is doing the crushing.

Gravity can crush stars [black holes] & you're saying that it doesn't have enough energy to crush a human being? If you're talking strictly manga, well then no other gravity based jutsu has been used on a planetary level so you can't compare it to others, but gravity can crush.

False, it was turned into the core of the moon via a special jutsu that uses chakra. <<< you can't apply normal science to it. Why? Because for all we know, the rocks probably stop putting pressure once they are all connected.

Same thing I said to unorthodox applies to you, but anyways manga showed us that the CBT crumbles if not held together. [

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] The manga suggests that it is being kept together via the same thing that created it in the first place [gravity] unless you can prove otherwise.

Not using science, it's manga fact.

 

[RustledJimmies]

It seems people still haven't realized that CT is meant to contain the target, not crush it.

Obito was afraid of GM getting destroyed by Naruto and Bee's small country level Bijuu Dama and people are actually considering the thought of the Mazo tanking a moon level attack.

 

[KidGamer65]

The manga showed us no such thing, the manga showed us that the force produced by a low leveled CBT isn't enough to crush something like KN6. The manga never said or showed us that any & all CBTs don't have enough force to crush a target, you keep saying that the CBTs that didn't crush their targets prove that a moon-leveled one wouldn't either, but I'm saying that the force which created the smaller ones simply wasn't enough.

Low leveled? A Mountain Range level + CT didn't crush a target that has nowhere near Mountain level durability, thus CT isn't exerting it's force onto the objects inside. There is no other energy besides its own energy, which is Mountain Range Level + due to its size. I know exactly what you are saying, and its wrong. We know how much energy was in the CT, yet the object in the center wasn't crushed, thus it doesn't put energy on the objects inside. You can't say it's not enough, when we know how much energy is in the CT, yet it still didn't work. There is no other value, no number or any other amount of energy.

As for kabuto, really? He didn't have to make the jutsu as large as the one nagato himself used, you can use it for trapping purposes, that still doesn't mean it can't be used to crush something if given enough energy/pressure.

By the time it was destroyed, it was already large enough to dwarf them, which should be enough to completely crush them, but obviously it wasn't going to.

I'm not trying to hype anything up, in fact this supports what I'm saying, if it doesn't have enough energy to attract huge things such as mountains then it's even more likely that KN6 wouldn't have gotten crushed.

Attraction isn't going to crush someone. That doesn't even begin to make sense. What does the crushing the force the rocks would put on the inside target. (except there is none put there)

They are the same thing, it makes absolutely no sense to believe otherwise, just because the jutsu can attract rubble doesn't mean that it can crush it's target, however both the rubble & the target are both being affected by the same amount of force.

Dafuq? In what universe does the same force that pulls things in, crush things as well? Attractive force doesn't crush nor does it do the crushing, the crushing is done by the force of the rocks on the target, which is nonexistent.

Attractive force attracts, the rubble is pulled up and that's it for the attractive force. So no, its not the same thing, not at all.

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is what happens when a ninja gets hit into a rock, the rock crumbles yet the person's body is more or less fine. Obito shouldn't have half of his face, in fact he should've died instantly when the rock

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. Onoki

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, doesn't get crushed. Kakashi survives a ST, the same ST than

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behind him. This shows us that ninja are more durable than rocks/boulders/rubble, meaning it would take much less force to break them apart as opposed to crushing an actual human.

Sasuke being hit into a statue and making a crater probably not even an inch deep, doesn't translate to him being more durable than the rock that statue is made of. That doesn't even compare Sasuke's durability to the rock.

The rock fell on Obito's body, and it was intact while Obito lost half his body. Obito surviving a rock doesn't make him more durable than said rock. Should be obvious..
I'm going to pray that you aren't insinuating that Onoki is more durable than the Meteor. That Meteor broke apart because it had the force of an equivalent sized Meteor hitting it from the back, combined with the fact it crashed into the ground. Not because it slammed into Onoki.

As for Kakashi, a repulsive force isn't going to do anything to you unless you crash into something first. He was shot up in the air, and the rock behind him was cracked. Once again not proof he's more durable, unless you want to say he can take a Raikiri just like that rock wall did.

This is the reason why I'm saying that they have the same amount of energy, because it takes much more to crush a human than it does a rock & so even if the rocks were being pulled in & crushed that doesn't mean the target has to be as well.

Except attractive force doesn't crush. Not sure how many times I have to say it before you understand it. Attractive force pulls, it does NOT crush. It didn't crush any of those rocks, ever. It only broke them apart and pulled them up. Attractive forces isn't what does the crushing, it does the pulling.

We have no idea of the size of the rubble that was pulled up to create the moon so I'm not sure what you're trying to compare here or how you can come to this conclusion.

Naruto and Sasuke used the same jutsu on the same target, so yes, we do.

The moon has gravity, it has an orbit, that means it has a larger gravitational force than the lesser CBTs unless you think they also have an orbit. The moon is larger because it has a stronger gravitational force keeping it together.

The Moon has a stronger gravitational force pulling things toward it, not a stronger one keeping it together. The gravitational force, or whatever, that keeps the CT together, isn't related to the gravitational force it creates. (Which is due to its size and location)

No KN6 does not have mountain level durability just because he was trapped inside something that can attract a mountain range.

Except CT can't attract a Mountain Range. Lol. Stop saying this. Please, because its wrong and it makes no sense. It attracts rubble at a pace that causes it to grow to such a size. It is inside the CT, it is being crushed by all those rocks from what we can tell, yet nothing happens. Nothing happens to KN6 despite being inside something that should be exerting Mountain Range Level energy on it, thus you either say KN6 has Mountain Range durability (Obviously not) or you go with the obvious fact that CT exerts NO energy on the objects inside.

Its not the CT failing to exert enough energy, unless you want to say that Mountain Range Level energy (Which is what Nagato's CT contain) isn't enough to crush something that isn't even as durable as a Mountain.

As I've constantly been explaining, that CBT simply didn't have enough gravitational energy to crush KN6. & As I said earlier rocks break apart much easier than the human body does & therefore it's logical to say that nagato's attractive power wasn't enough.

The moon is different, the moon has a strong enough gravitational power to produce an orbit, therefore it's attractive power is leagues above the one that nagato used, so comparing them would be illogical.

Not really. Because the comparison shows amount is irrelevant. No energy is put on the object in the center, thus the differing strengths are not relevant.

If the attractive force is strong enough you'll be crushed, it's physics. The rocks were pulled up by the same amount of force that kept KN6 stuck there, so it wasn't enough to crush him alone otherwise he would've been as soon as he hit the jutsu.

Uh, no. The attractive force on its own does no crushing. Combine it with the rocks, and it does the crushing. More rocks, the greater the energy output is. If the attractive power was all the destructive power CT had, then if you aren't affected by the moment you are hit with the force then it will not do any damage to you, ever.

The attractive force of all these CT we have seen is no different. The only difference is the amount of rock.

Dude, if there was no such thing as gravity then a rock could never crush anything. A rock by itself can't crush you, that's like saying a knife stabs because of itself & not because of the person who stabbed you with it.

Obviously never said that there was no such thing as gravity.

Therefore the combined force of gravity [what makes the rock heavy enough to crush you in the first place] & the rock was responsible, not just the rock.

Uh huh.

Gravity can crush stars [black holes] & you're saying that it doesn't have enough energy to crush a human being? If you're talking strictly manga, well then no other gravity based jutsu has been used on a planetary level so you can't compare it to others, but gravity can crush.

Ok.

It seems people still haven't realized that CT is meant to contain the target, not crush it.

Obito was afraid of GM getting destroyed by Naruto and Bee's small country level Bijuu Dama and people are actually considering the thought of the Mazo tanking a moon level attack.

Lol, right. Ridiculous. Not to mention he wanted to transport Naruto inside CT, to capture him. Can't do that if he's been turned to paste.

 

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Dude just stfu, you & your sausage wanking ass have lost credibility a long time ago. U_U

Lost credibility? Sasuke wank? tha fk Lel Sasuke > Your fav son deal with it

It seems people still haven't realized that CT is meant to contain the target, not crush it.

Obito was afraid of GM getting destroyed by Naruto and Bee's small country level Bijuu Dama and people are actually considering the thought of the Mazo tanking a moon level attack.

right its draphsin such an obito wank its gets tired Lmao

 

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Gedo Mazo best offensive skill is vaporizing the Mountain sandwich while Ps cut a mountain range with one of it's blades... Let's see here Ps shits...

 

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KG: This is my last post, if you wanna reply to this then that's fine but I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree because it'l just continue forever at that rate.

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Low leveled? A Mountain Range level + CT didn't crush a target that has nowhere near Mountain level durability, thus CT isn't exerting it's force onto the objects inside.

I'll say it again, just because the CBT can attract a mountain doesn't mean it can crush anything without mountain level durability. The attractive force can crush rocks, however that's simply not enough to crush what it wasn't able to, stop saying that it is.

& Btw I was referring to low leveled in comparison to the moon.

There is no other energy besides its own energy, which is Mountain Range Level + due to its size.

It's not mountain range level, it can attract a mountain range, nothing says that's the same amount of force you need to destroy a mountain range though.

We know how much energy was in the CT, yet the object in the center wasn't crushed, thus it doesn't put energy on the objects inside.

Or, another likely answer is that the CBT which attracted those rocks simply didn't have enough attractive power/gravity to crush it's target. Since the object has more of a damage resistance than the rocks being attracted then my answer is viable.

You can't say it's not enough, when we know how much energy is in the CT, yet it still didn't work. There is no other value, no number or any other amount of energy.

The energy it takes to attract rocks is lower than what it takes to crush a human, therefore just because a mountain range or whatever you want to call it was attracted doesn't mean that it had the same amount of force to crush it's target. I know there isn't another value, it's all coming from the core.

By the time it was destroyed, it was already large enough to dwarf them, which should be enough to completely crush them, but obviously it wasn't going to.

It was much smaller than the one that nagato used on KN6 which didn't have enough energy to crush him, therefore the one that was used on KCM naruto wouldn't have either.

Attraction isn't going to crush someone. That doesn't even begin to make sense. What does the crushing the force the rocks would put on the inside target. (except there is none put there)

Attraction is just another way for me to say gravitational force, so yes it can crush someone. What does the crushing is the energy it takes to create the jutsu in the first place, since it all comes from the same place. Yes what you suggest is possible but only if the energy created by the core isn't already enough to crush it's target, if it is then what you're saying isn't necessary.

In what universe does the same force that pulls things in, crush things as well? Attractive force doesn't crush nor does it do the crushing, the crushing is done by the force of the rocks on the target, which is nonexistent.

Since we have no examples of what high-levels of gravity can do to someone then I have no reason to believe that it works differently than in our universe, meaning that with enough energy the gravity/attractive force can crush. There can't be no energy because then the rocks wouldn't be getting attracted in the first place, since they are it proves that gravity is a thing, & too much of it by itself will crush you.

The type of crushing you're describing would only occur if the jutsu didn't have enough gravitational force to crush it's target first, but since we have no idea of the amount of gravitational force used on the moon then we can't compare it.

Attractive force attracts, the rubble is pulled up and that's it for the attractive force. So no, its not the same thing, not at all.

Attractive force = gravity, & yes it is the same thing. The attractive force pulls up & keeps the rocks stuck there, that same level of force is what keeps it's target stuck to it, nothing is telling me otherwise, just because KN6 didn't get crushed doesn't mean that all CBTs don't have enough energy to crush or that the rocks are the only things that can do the crushing.

Sasuke being hit into a statue and making a crater probably not even an inch deep, doesn't translate to him being more durable than the rock that statue is made of. That doesn't even compare Sasuke's durability to the rock.

Yes it does... his body was hard enough to destroy a rock & remain intact, therefore it takes more force to do what happened to that rock than to his body.

The rock fell on Obito's body, and it was intact while Obito lost half his body. Obito surviving a rock doesn't make him more durable than said rock. Should be obvious..

Missed my point, obito shouldn't have a face if the rock is as strong as we believe it is, the fact that he survived shows us that rocks, even big ones aren't that strong.

I'm going to pray that you aren't insinuating that Onoki is more durable than the Meteor. That Meteor broke apart because it had the force of an equivalent sized Meteor hitting it from the back, combined with the fact it crashed into the ground. Not because it slammed into Onoki.

No I'm not, I'm insinuating that even a rock the size of a meteor failed to crush him, not that he's more durable. So again it makes us question the level of strength behind all rocks compared to humans. Any normal human should've been liquid if hit with a rock of that size, yet onoki's body is fine as far as staying intact goes meaning rocks aren't as strong as we believe they are.

As for Kakashi, a repulsive force isn't going to do anything to you unless you crash into something first. He was shot up in the air, and the rock behind him was cracked. Once again not proof he's more durable, unless you want to say he can take a Raikiri just like that rock wall did.

That's not my point, the force alone crushed the rocks behind deva yet kakashi's body remained intact, this is literally a direct comparison between the strength of rocks & humans. The rock broke, kakashi's body didn't.

The raikiri still penetrated the rock, that was a piercing jutsu & it did it's job [pierced it's target]. That rock was still weaker than kakashi's body if he can survive a ST & the wall can't.

Attractive force pulls, it does NOT crush. It didn't crush any of those rocks, ever. It only broke them apart and pulled them up. Attractive forces isn't what does the crushing, it does the pulling.

Attractive force both crushes & pulls, if that wasn't the case then the rocks being attracted would all be loose boulders, since it can't crush the landscape to create the rocks in the first place.

BT Pulls, CBT crushes rocks & pulls the remnants up simultaneously. Gravity crushes when there's too much of it & pulls when there's too little, that's what it does. Too much gravitational force/attractive force or whatever you want to call it does crush, it was responsible for everything that was shown during the jutsu.

Naruto and Sasuke used the same jutsu on the same target, so yes, we do.

Okay & so you believe that because it pulled things up at the same rate as the other CBT that means it has the same attractive power? But It pulled up more, meaning it crushed more, that's just how gravity works.

The Moon has a stronger gravitational force pulling things toward it, not a stronger one keeping it together. The gravitational force, or whatever, that keeps the CT together, isn't related to the gravitational force it creates. (Which is due to its size and location)

The moon has an orbit, the lesser CBTs don't. That indicates a stronger gravitational force. Also why would the force be different? The stronger the gravity the more likely the object would be to stick together. There's the possibility that in order to create a CBT that would maintain itself the attractive power needed to be so powerful that it created a moon sized object as a result. This possibility is much more likely than saying the attractive force is different from it's creation to when it maintains itself.

It's the same force, I don't see why it would be different.

Except CT can't attract a Mountain Range. Lol. Stop saying this. Please, because its wrong and it makes no sense.

Lol Stop nitpicking at my words. I'm only going off of what you said anyways to avoid misunderstandings like this one, but it seems I still can't.

You called the CBT "mountain range leveled" How else am I supposed to interpret that other than by thinking you believe it can attract the equivalent of a mountain range? The only reason I said that was because of what you said, if you don't think so then I'm not arguing.

It is inside the CT, it is being crushed by all those rocks from what we can tell, yet nothing happens.

Because A] The attractive force wasn't strong enough & B] KN6 is more durable than rocks.

Nothing happens to KN6 despite being inside something that should be exerting Mountain Range Level energy on it, thus you either say KN6 has Mountain Range durability (Obviously not) or you go with the obvious fact that CT exerts NO energy on the objects inside.

Or I go with the third option that I've been mentioning this whole time. The attractive force/gravity caused by that CBT simply wasn't enough to crush KN6. That doesn't mean I'm giving him mountain level durability & it doesn't mean that the jutsu exerted no energy whatsoever. Both of your explanations aren't the only two answers that are available.

Its not the CT failing to exert enough energy, unless you want to say that Mountain Range Level energy (Which is what Nagato's CT contain) isn't enough to crush something that isn't even as durable as a Mountain.

Just because the CBT can attract a mountain range doesn't mean it's mountain range level, I already said this. Nagato's CBT did not contain a mountain range's worth of power & the amount of rubble it pulls up doesn't prove that it did.

Not really. Because the comparison shows amount is irrelevant. No energy is put on the object in the center, thus the differing strengths are not relevant.

This is merely based on what we know from lower leveled CBTs that may not have had enough power to crush their targets in the first place.

Uh, no. The attractive force on its own does no crushing. Combine it with the rocks, and it does the crushing. More rocks, the greater the energy output is.

This applies to the weaker CBTs, we have no idea how powerful the moon's attractive force/gravity is & so we can't make this same comparison.

If the attractive power was all the destructive power CT had, then if you aren't affected by the moment you are hit with the force then it will not do any damage to you, ever.

Hence why the lower leveled ones are only used for trapping purposes. The attractive force merely keeps you stuck there during a lower leveled version of the jutsu, but with a higher leveled jutsu & higher levels of gravity you can't possibly expect the same result.

The attractive force of all these CT we have seen is no different. The only difference is the amount of rock.

Yet the moon has an orbit & can maintain itself even after hagoromo passed away. The attractive force of the moon is stronger than the other CBTs we've seen, that much should be evident.[/QUOTE]

Lol, right. Ridiculous. Not to mention he wanted to transport Naruto inside CT, to capture him. Can't do that if he's been turned to paste.

& Man what I'm saying isn't ridiculous, it's completely logical & it fits. & I explained how the CBT used on

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naruto was much smaller than the one used on

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. We can't determine it's final size & if kabuto's intention was to capture then he wouldn't use one that could possibly crush.

Lost credibility?

Yep.

Sasuke wank?

That's right.

tha fk Lel Sasuke > Your fav son deal with it

& I rest my case. Lol

 

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