Perfect Susanoo needs Rinnegan

[Super Kami Guru]

Showing us a bunch of scans doesn't automatically prove you right. Madara was in Susanoo with Rinnegan activated before.



These are legit questions. I still see no reason why Rinnegan is necessary to stabilize Susano'o's chakra, as that's all Madara did to go from final Susanoo to perfect Susanoo. All I see to be required to do that is a huge load of chakra and an even bigger load of chakra control. I don't see proof anywhere that one needs Rinnegan in order to get perfect Susanoo. The OP proved nothing.

Finally if you are searching for the next level of Susanoo (Rinnegan's Susanoo) we were already presented to it and it's called Gedo Mazo, goes a step further than Susano'o taking actual physical form. That is a Rinnegan ability. Perfect Susanoo is just the finished proof that Madara has a tremendous experience and chakra control and that both Sasuke and Itachi were/are still "noobs" relating to Susanoo.

i cannot believe you just said rinnegans susanoo is the gedo mazo..... wow seriously if it's an ems tech that sasuke has it and can use it now right now with no further powerups until kishi reveils something different?

 

[natssuu]

o really so without believing narutopedia.... tell me why cause he has rinnegan active you dont see sasuke using it either? he has ems he can therefore use it so wwhy hasnt he? it's not that why which is why he has it active when using it seriously you arent debating you just want posts go play ****ing forum games or provide proof

Madara also used the smaller version of Susano'o while his rinnegans were activated, or are you gonna say that it's also rinnegan technique?

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Sasuke just got his EMS, it's not like the perfect Susano'o awakenes immediately. It's the same as with MS, the Susano'o keeps developing and now we just gotta wait and see.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

look at the link.

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oonoki clearly says that this is the true power of uchiha madara and compares it to his previous encounter nd says he went easy on muu and oonoki. what the hell do u think caused him to say that his perfect sussano ofc and madara also gave him a reason that he was a child

and he doesnt tell tsunade that he only got this through the rinnegan when she asked how hashirama beat Perfect sussano

read previous comments and posts you just restating shit youre wrong about okay oonoki asks madara why he ****ing when easy on him not use PS and tsunade asks a rhetorical question of whether he grandfather fought this which as of now there has been no proof that he has but yes he very much could have cause madara says he awakened the rinnegan some time before his death

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Madara also used the smaller version of Susano'o while his rinnegans were activated, or are you gonna say that it's also rinnegan technique?

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Sasuke just got his EMS, it's not like the perfect Susano'o awakenes immediately. It's the same as with MS, the Susano'o keeps developing and now we just gotta wait and see.

thank you, you are second person to provide actual proof of the one hole in my theory atm. My point with that is kishi was too lazy or im wrong but yes until kishi releases more there's mroe evidence leaning toward me being right than it PS is just ems text

PS. thats literally only evidence ive found and been shown to go against what im saying

 

[Kristjan]

o really so without believing narutopedia.... tell me why cause he has rinnegan active you dont see sasuke using it either? he has ems he can therefore use it so wwhy hasnt he? it's not that why which is why he has it active when using it seriously you arent debating you just want posts go play ****ing forum games or provide proof

beacause sasuke has had ems like a week mby and madara has had ems almost half his life see the diff here

 

[Super Kami Guru]

beacause sasuke has had ems like a week mby and madara has had ems almost half his life see the diff here

oo really thanks i didnt know cause i honestly dont read manga i thought sasuke had ems since he was a kid.... thanks captain obvious please stop stating the obvious dumb no proof rebuttles to my theory

 

[arv993]

read previous comments and posts you just restating shit youre wrong about okay oonoki asks madara why he ****ing when easy on him not use PS and tsunade asks a rhetorical question of whether he grandfather fought this which as of now there has been no proof that he has but yes he very much could have cause madara says he awakened the rinnegan some time before his death

and what the hell caused oonoki to say that the fact that he used an insane sussano. why would he randomly say that out of nowhere he said that after wtnessing its great power

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Susanoo is a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. There is little evidence to suggest that the 'Perfect Susanoo' derives from the Rinnegan. I believe Hashirama did indeed fight the Perfect Susanoo, something I think was hinted by Kishi when Tsunade said "Did my grandfather really fight against this?" Moreover, we need to think about the idea that Perfect Susanoo is > or = a bijuu. Why? If Sasuke and Naruto are to be equal, it is very likely at this point he will need to unlock the perfect Susanoo. PS = BM. IF Sasuke now unlocks the Rinnegan aswell, will these two remain in balance? I think not. IF Sasuke gets both the Rinnegan and Perfect Susanoo, he will be superior to Naruto. The series is coming to an end and i'm not yet convinced that Naruto will receive another powerup, except for maybe increasing the length of Bijuu Mode (Perfecting it). What does all this mean? That perhaps the Perfect Susanoo does NOT require the Rinnegan. I think Kishi has been hinting at this in the last two chapters.

This ^
Thanks for sparing me alot of typing

 

[Super Kami Guru]

and what the hell caused oonoki to say that the fact that he used an insane sussano. why would he randomly say that out of nowhere he said that after wtnessing its great power

because oonoki got his ass kicked before right? hes wondering why madara didnt just destroy him there aka "WHAY KIND OF MAN USES HIS FULL POWER AGAINST A CHILD" aka why kind of man would go all out on killing a kid who is obviously sooo much weaker than him it doesnt have anything to do with the susanoo it just proves to oonoki just like how madara could have killed him easily before he can still kill him easily now

 

[NarutoTruthTeller]

So this means sasuke is obviously gonna get EMS and rinnegan and by the way you guys as you can see if you buyed the generations ninja storm it shows a bonus episode thats rare and never seen before when hashirama beat madara, madara didnt even have susanoo rinnegan nothing but just his sharingan. So if Madara has Susanoo perfect form and rinnegan at that time hands down people hands down madara would of domheinated that and by the way you stupid asses rinnegan does not activate when you lose to someone you retards it activates when the user of the EMS gets extremely mad!

 

[LeEvilTongue]

I know this thread has been made thousands of times in the last two weeks but im sick of people ignoring facts. The rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan as state by kabuto here and next page madara proves it true:

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Also for those who say well madara is just using rinnegan but it's an ems tech and narutopedia says so i will now post parts of the manga from madara fighting clearly show him switching between different eyes to use different techs:
Page 1: Madara has been using final form susanoo an ems tech but as he sees he's going to be hit he switchs to rinnegan

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Page 2:Madara uses Chibaku Tensei to create giant meteor or atleast pull them in clearly same tech kishi is getting lazy with saying jutsu name aka he spams "sharingan genjutsu"

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Page 3: 5 kage fight madara's wood clones with susanoo all using susanoo.... and madara uses a sharingan gen on the raikage WITH THE EMS:

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Page 4: Madara awakens perfect susanoo with the rinnegan activated:

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Also if rinnegan is the final evolution of the sharingan IT IS TECHINQUELY A SHARINGAN so saying well its and ems tech seriously just doesnt work. Why would the wood clones be using ems if they could just have rinnegan open to use those techs and original madara is just standing there with rinnegan activated?

That's too slim to be a solid proof IMO. I don't see any reason why it shouln't be an EMS tech. Then again it kinda erases the purpose of him getting the Rinnegan in the first place, if he don't even uses it for his full power.
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[ImNoOne]

i cannot believe you just said rinnegans susanoo is the gedo mazo..... wow seriously if it's an ems tech that sasuke has it and can use it now right now with no further powerups until kishi reveils something different?

On the other hand I have absolutely no trouble believing that you took my metaphor and interpreted it literally. That's to be expected of someone who doesn't take the time to think about what others post. I told you that if you are searching for the equivalent of Susanoo for a Rinnegan user, we've already been introduced to it and it's called Gedo Mazo.

People have pointed out that you can not prove that PS is unlocked by Rinnegan both by examples from the manga that refute your theory and logically to be in accordance with the story plot.

An intelligent person would read the posts and understand that he is wrong, admit it and move on. I'm not expecting to see this from you but I feel oblige to tell it anyway.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Susanoo is a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. There is little evidence to suggest that the 'Perfect Susanoo' derives from the Rinnegan. I believe Hashirama did indeed fight the Perfect Susanoo, something I think was hinted by Kishi when Tsunade said "Did my grandfather really fight against this?" Moreover, we need to think about the idea that Perfect Susanoo is > or = a bijuu. Why? If Sasuke and Naruto are to be equal, it is very likely at this point he will need to unlock the perfect Susanoo. PS = BM. IF Sasuke now unlocks the Rinnegan aswell, will these two remain in balance? I think not. IF Sasuke gets both the Rinnegan and Perfect Susanoo, he will be superior to Naruto. The series is coming to an end and i'm not yet convinced that Naruto will receive another powerup, except for maybe increasing the length of Bijuu Mode (Perfecting it). What does all this mean? That perhaps the Perfect Susanoo does NOT require the Rinnegan. I think Kishi has been hinting at this in the last two chapters.

all theory just like this thread is cant be proven until kishi releases more and how would naruto get rinnegan? if sasuke progresses past ems to rinnegan which is possible as proven by madara what than? and what if someone is stronger than the main character? the main character usually finds a way to over come it aka perfect bijuu mode which was shown already when naruto and kurama were both outside of his body

 

[arv993]

because oonoki got his ass kicked before right? hes wondering why madara didnt just destroy him there aka "WHAY KIND OF MAN USES HIS FULL POWER AGAINST A CHILD" aka why kind of man would go all out on killing a kid who is obviously sooo much weaker than him it doesnt have anything to do with the susanoo it just proves to oonoki just like how madara could have killed him easily before he can still kill him easily now

but the context is what makes the differnce after witnessing his power from the sussano does he realize this which u obviously leave out. but its pretty obvious believe what u want and ur whole theory about having rinnegan to use a sussano is not right cos on more than one occasion he used sussano with his rinnegan

 

[Super Kami Guru]

On the other hand I have absolutely no trouble believing that you took my metaphor and interpreted it literally. That's to be expected of someone who doesn't take the time to think about what others post. I told you that if you are searching for the equivalent of Susanoo for a Rinnegan user, we've already been introduced to it and it's called Gedo Mazo.

People have pointed out that you can not prove that PS is unlocked by Rinnegan both by examples from the manga that refute your theory and logically to be in accordance with the story plot.

An intelligent person would read the posts and understand that he is wrong, admit it and move on. I'm not expecting to see this from you but I feel oblige to tell it anyway.

Hahaha kid seriously im defending my point against kids who just say NO they provide no proof what so ever to their opinions like my first comment there is a difference between debating and being dumb. an intelligent person like i am being responds to what other say and refutes(using proof or logic). However how am are you refuting when i provide proof in some forms and i have been reading everyones comments that just say it isnt...

 

[Gooner4life]

Seems legit, the gap between Sasuke's and Madara's susanoo shouldn't be that much because they both have EMS so the rinnegan must be the key to Madara's power. +rep

 

[Super Kami Guru]

but the context is what makes the differnce after witnessing his power from the sussano does he realize this which u obviously leave out. but its pretty obvious believe what u want and ur whole theory about having rinnegan to use a sussano is not right cos on more than one occasion he used sussano with his rinnegan

on literally like two occasions which i knew about and can be attributed to plot no jutsu or kishi getting lazy drawing aka harder to keep drawing ems rather than rinnegans

 

[Combat]

You right cause Nagato had a Perfect Susanoo too right?

 

[Super Kami Guru]

You right cause Nagato had a Perfect Susanoo too right?

did he ever have a sharingan? was his eyes "given" to him by tobi? idk read the manga

 

[KnowMads]

on literally like two occasions which i knew about and can be attributed to plot no jutsu or kishi getting lazy drawing aka harder to keep drawing ems rather than rinnegans

everything you just said right now is just baseless assumption and speculation about kishi being lazy or plot no jutsu contributing.

honestly i think its just a ems tech, why would a MS tech need a different doujutsu to unlock sussano's full potential it makes no sense.