Perfect susanoo= Kurama? PS's power in general.

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Hi guys. So, I decided today to discuss about the power of perfect susanoo, what are it's limits, what bijuu does it equal, or does it surpass them all? I think it's important that we discuss this in order to achieve a conclusion that is more likely than any other.
We are all aware of it's feats and the statement made by madara.

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"Only the bijuu have a power comparable to this", or, in other translations, "A power that rivals the bijuu's". Madara means that his PS so much power that only the bijuus can compete with it. This doesn't mean that PS= All bijuus, nor it means that PS=1 Bijuu. It means that PS can face bijuu, we don't know exactly what are the bijuus it can face or if it can face some bijuus together.

So, now, to destruction feats. In the scan above, madara is showneasily destroying mountains with a slash of the PS. Very powerful indeed, living up to his statement. This is the power of the bijuus:
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And this is another feat of the PS(covering kurama), slashing more mountains:
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As I said, very powerful. With the feats we've seen, I suppose it's safe to say that the PS surpasses the hachibi and the other bijuus. However, there is an extremelly powerful bijuu, quite more powerful than the others, kurama.
We saw that 50% kurama(with jin) is powerful enough to face and outcome 5 bijuus:
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Naruto BM's bijuu dama can do half of what that explosion did(I'm disconsidering possible loss of energy due to the impact of the bijuu damas and the energy lost in the motion), powerful enough to obliterate some moutains.
Again, I suppose it's safe to say that PS can rival 50% kurama with jin.
But what about 100% kurama? I don't think so, as we don't have many of it's feats, but we have a little bit of evidence to say that, I'll show it here.

Hashirama, some chapters ago, was keeping up with madara's PS using the mokuton goubi no jutsu. Also, in the past, hashi's goubi was able to hold madara's PS slash. So, it's safe to say that mokuton goubi can rival the PS.( Hashirama was in SM, ot might be a senpou goubi, but let's remember that his edo tensei is ALMOST at full power, and madara's PS is more powerful than it was in the past, thanks to the rinnegan and to the senju cells giving him a little boost)
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However, what about the goubi vs kurama? Let's see:
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Here, madara says "the mokuton goubi no jutsu, to fight against beasts?" What does this mean? It means that madara is criticizing the fact that the goubi can't take a fight against that bijuu. What bijuu? 100% kurama, of course.
Now, some of you might say that "oh, but it's kurama with PS". True indeed, but let's see what took the goubi down:

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Here it is shown that the goubi started to colapse after the explosion, The explosion was a result of the bijuu dama used by 100% kurama. Of course, the goubi wasn't made for tanking, but we saw that it can hold madara's PS and it's slash.

With this, I want to conclude that the PS(madara's EMS PS, at least) is as powerful as 50% kurama with jin, but it's not in 100% kurama's lvl. It's likely to be close, but not as powerful.
As another conclusion, sasuke, who has the potential to one day, surpass madara, may achieve a PS that rivals 100% kurama. But so far, it's PS was just awakened, so it has, in the best case scenario, the power of madara's EMS PS.

Thanks for the attention guys, please help me in this discussion. Let's keep a healthy discussion. If you're going to state something, gather some evidence or explanation to your idea. Sorry for the long post, thanks again.
 
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If you read carefully, Madara says

"One slash possesses the power to break all creation....only the bijuu have a power comparable to this"

Clearly this statement is talking about the PS slash and not necessarily PS as a whole. The only power that the Bijuu have that I think is comparable to one PS slash is the tailed beast bomb.

So I think people have been misreading what Madara said. He was comparing attacks rather than PS vs Bijuu.
 

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If you read carefully, Madara says

"One slash possesses the power to break all creation....only the bijuu have a power comparable to this"

Clearly this statement is talking about the PS slash and not necessarily PS as a whole. The only power that the Bijuu have that I think is comparable to one PS slash is the tailed beast bomb.

So I think people have been misreading what Madara said. He was comparing attacks rather than PS vs Bijuu.
Indeed, you are correct. The PS has, most likely, a better defense than the bijuus. But I am comparing the destructive powers to try to find the "point of limitation" of the PS.
 

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Tell me how Kurama is gonna take down PS? It tanked a TBB with no scratch or damage

Kurama on the other hand is just as vulnerable as a normal fox, PS can literally cut it in 2
 

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If something as non-penetrative as the Food cart destroyer could topple full Kurama's neck, a destruction incarnate sword swipe from the Perfect Susano'o should remove limb segments.; its defences have already proven sutible to defend against its scale of Bijū-Dama. Madara was indeed stating tha only the Bijū's power could rival that of his Perfect Susano'o.
 

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Tell me how Kurama is gonna take down PS? It tanked a TBB with no scratch or damage

Kurama on the other hand is just as vulnerable as a normal fox, PS can literally cut it in 2

If something as non-penetrative as the Food cart destroyer could topple full Kurama's neck, a destruction incarnate sword swipe from the Perfect Susano'o should remove limb segments.; its defences have already proven sutible to defend against its scale of Bijū-Dama. Madara was indeed stating tha only the Bijū's power could rival that of his Perfect Susano'o.
You both are missunderstanding. I'm comparing the destructive power of both, not necessaraly who would win in a fight.
I agree that PS has a great chance, but to tank of one it's bijuu damas(not even the most powerful) isn't instantaneous win. And kurama is not as vulnerable as a regular animal as you're thinking. However, this is not the point, as I said.
 

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You both are missunderstanding. I'm comparing the destructive power of both, not necessaraly who would win in a fight.
I agree that PS has a great chance, but to tank of one it's bijuu damas(not even the most powerful) isn't instantaneous win. And kurama is not as vulnerable as a regular animal as you're thinking. However, this is not the point, as I said.
If you're talking about destructive then:
Kurama would win if it's one attack and he concentrate the TBB to make it huge. If its a normal one its same as PS
However PS can spam sword slashes, making him > kurama in terms of destruction


And all bijuus shown their defense feats, they're like regular animals
 

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If you're talking about destructive then:
Kurama would win if it's one attack and he concentrate the TBB to make it huge. If its a normal one its same as PS
However PS can spam sword slashes, making him > kurama in terms of destruction


And all bijuus shown their defense feats, they're like regular animals
And kurama can spam bijuu damas in the same lvl as the PS slashes.
They're not just regular animals. Their entities made of might chakra. They're way more resistent than regular animals.
 
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