Perfect Susano'o doesn't require Rinnegan!
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thesurvivor
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You're calling out people because they don't have proof, when you yourself don't have any proof! He just happens to activate rinnegan and the perfect susanoo appears, sounds kind of obvious, right?
He hasn't taken this fight seriously, that's all he was trying to state, now that he has, he has shown something they cannot beat!
I'm not sure myself, which is why I'm waiting for the chapter to release already, I'm just trying to give the others a fair chance against your point.
All I know is that this perfect susanoo situation causes a Huge plot hole in kishi's story, and no matter what happens now, the story has literally been tainted by it.
He hasn't taken this fight seriously, that's all he was trying to state, now that he has, he has shown something they cannot beat!
I'm not sure myself, which is why I'm waiting for the chapter to release already, I'm just trying to give the others a fair chance against your point.
All I know is that this perfect susanoo situation causes a Huge plot hole in kishi's story, and no matter what happens now, the story has literally been tainted by it.
Sarutobi Sasuke
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This^ (except the tainted plot hole stuff)
lol..Why do you think that perfect Susanoo taints the story with a HUGE black hole?
The five kage decided to boast about their full power, madara was only toying with them the entire time. His had rinnegan activated for ages and no perfect susano'o, even before he died. Theres really still no proof that rinnegan is required for PS. Theres defiantly proof to show that it isn't though.
Sarutobi Sasuke
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Your argument carries a lot of weight but it doesn't prove or disprove anything decisively. The fact Madara was shown with a Rinnegan also doesn't prove or disprove anything decisively either.
I, just like you, also believe that the Rinnegan is not required but...there is no way to prove it without any doubts at this moment in time.
MinatoIsBestHokage
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MegaQueef, I don't mean to come off like a jerk and I sincerely mean this but either your original post makes 0% logical sense or your written English is that bad (which once again I am not making fun of you for so please don't get offensive, obviously many members of this forum don't speak and/or write English as their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th and so on language.)
That being said I still get the gist of your theory because I have read the other 16 threads on this and your theory makes even less sense than those.
First and foremost it is impossible to prove a person needs Rinnegan or not to make the Perfect Susanoo, all a person such as yourself and others can do is theorize. Secondly, (and by far most importantly) we have to take into account that Susanoo drains the user's life energy/chakra. Since Edo-Madara has no life energy/chakra (FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN THUS FAR), one can theorize 10000 different theories from just those FACTS pointed out. For example, we can all agree that Itachi is/was arguably (really not arguably in my book but just so I don't get my head ripped off) the 2nd best Uchiha in existence OR from what we have seen. I mean yes he set up his death probably to the "T" but Susanoo was a big part of that, draining his life
energy. I believe it was Sasuke who said in one of the chapters after using Susanoo for too long that "It felt like every cell in my body is aching..." or something along those lines.
Simply put, 3 PEOPLE HAVE USED SUSANOO. Out of those 3, one had a deathly illness (Itachi), one can STILL only use Susanoo for as long as his Chakra will let him (and this is with EMS nonetheless and Itachi's eyes and even before that, a pretty damn good MS) and this is of course Sasuke, and the 3rd well is obviously Edo-Madara who has Edo in front of his name hence No Chakra/Not Living....can use as many Wooden Shadow Clones With Susanoo as he wants, etc...
As far as the "toying with the 5 Kage" goes, I mean come on....Edo-Madara is a Super-Villain of course he is going to say things like "Oh I had this power before but who really fights a child, blah, blah...." Please use that same logic when Naruto comes around to fight him or someone else and lets see if
Edo-Madara is still singing that same tune. Also, as Alex pointed out, your really calling out people because they don't have any clear proof, yet no theory on this matter has any solid factual proof showing he didn't need Rinnegan and/or Hashi's DNA to use/perform "Perfect Susanoo" and if anything I would think people would tend to theorize the other way because everything Edo-Madara has done thus far has been to test out his new Hashi DNA and Rinnegan powers.
*SPOILERRRRR - JUST A LITTLE*
Having read the chapter already, there really is nothing on "Perfect Susanoo" or anything of the sort. So I would believe Kishi is trying to still make up for his Plot no Jutsu with "Perfect Susanoo" and somehow work it into the story (as Alex pointed out). Also with the "toying...." he/Kishi can't just pull out "Perfect Susanoo" once they start fighting and oh all done...the battle lasts a chapter or two, which my point on that is Edo-Madara was not "toying" with them as much as he is making it out to be, like I wrote above he is a "Super-Villain" who like any other from any story/anime/book you want to choose, has done the same thing. I think it is in the pre-requisite of being a Villain
6PathsofKami
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Agreed you dont need rinnegan for perfect susanoo madara is a legendary uchiha and has tr knowledge and power to use it thats all.
I agree that one wouldn't need rinnegan to use perfect susanoo. It has been proven that MS and EMS can use susanoo. But there has been no evidence that the rinnegan can use susanoo. Until there is undisputeable evidence the rinnegan can use susanoo, then there is no reason to believe otherwise
I read the entire thing, and it makes little sense.MegaQueef, I don't mean to come off like a jerk and I sincerely mean this but either your original post makes 0% logical sense or your written English is that bad (which once again I am not making fun of you for so please don't get offensive, obviously many members of this forum don't speak and/or write English as their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th and so on language.)
That being said I still get the gist of your theory because I have read the other 16 threads on this and your theory makes even less sense than those.
First and foremost it is impossible to prove a person needs Rinnegan or not to make the Perfect Susanoo, all a person such as yourself and others can do is theorize. Secondly, (and by far most importantly) we have to take into account that Susanoo drains the user's life energy/chakra. Since Edo-Madara has no life energy/chakra (FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN THUS FAR), one can theorize 10000 different theories from just those FACTS pointed out. For example, we can all agree that Itachi is/was arguably (really not arguably in my book but just so I don't get my head ripped off) the 2nd best Uchiha in existence OR from what we have seen. I mean yes he set up his death probably to the "T" but Susanoo was a big part of that, draining his life
energy. I believe it was Sasuke who said in one of the chapters after using Susanoo for too long that "It felt like every cell in my body is aching..." or something along those lines.
Simply put, 3 PEOPLE HAVE USED SUSANOO. Out of those 3, one had a deathly illness (Itachi), one can STILL only use Susanoo for as long as his Chakra will let him (and this is with EMS nonetheless and Itachi's eyes and even before that, a pretty damn good MS) and this is of course Sasuke, and the 3rd well is obviously Edo-Madara who has Edo in front of his name hence No Chakra/Not Living....can use as many Wooden Shadow Clones With Susanoo as he wants, etc...
As far as the "toying with the 5 Kage" goes, I mean come on....Edo-Madara is a Super-Villain of course he is going to say things like "Oh I had this power before but who really fights a child, blah, blah...." Please use that same logic when Naruto comes around to fight him or someone else and lets see if
Edo-Madara is still singing that same tune. Also, as Alex pointed out, your really calling out people because they don't have any clear proof, yet no theory on this matter has any solid factual proof showing he didn't need Rinnegan and/or Hashi's DNA to use/perform "Perfect Susanoo" and if anything I would think people would tend to theorize the other way because everything Edo-Madara has done thus far has been to test out his new Hashi DNA and Rinnegan powers.
*SPOILERRRRR - JUST A LITTLE*
Having read the chapter already, there really is nothing on "Perfect Susanoo" or anything of the sort. So I would believe Kishi is trying to still make up for his Plot no Jutsu with "Perfect Susanoo" and somehow work it into the story (as Alex pointed out). Also with the "toying...." he/Kishi can't just pull out "Perfect Susanoo" once they start fighting and oh all done...the battle lasts a chapter or two, which my point on that is Edo-Madara was not "toying" with them as much as he is making it out to be, like I wrote above he is a "Super-Villain" who like any other from any story/anime/book you want to choose, has done the same thing. I think it is in the pre-requisite of being a Villain
And wtf are you on about my english? Of course i may not be able to spell correctly but im pure english >_>
SERIOUSLY cant be bothered properly replying to this, you didn't get the point to my thread or what i was trying to imply.