Perfect Susanoo can do nothing against Nagato

[TheSages456]

The sound description 'getting through' didn't proof that the Rasenshuriken broke the barrier, it just showed that the Chakra was getting through it. And this is actually the case since the barrier is pulling the Chakra inside of it to the user.

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the sound effect 'getting through' means that the rasenshuriken was getting through the barrier. its as simple as that. you obviously saw the difference when preta path absorbed the rasenshuriken and when nagato absorbed the rasengan. tell me why this didnt happen when nagato absorbed narutos rasengan.

 

[Maunten]

There actually is proof against your 'theory'.
Just look at the size of the crate, and you'll see that Naruto's Rasen Shuriken didn't grow any bigger.

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Also, if you compare Sandaime Raikage's size to Kakuzu's after the expansion, you'll see that both versions have about the same size. It's clear that Rasen Shuriken had fully expanded on the picture I provided earlier.

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There is not crater in the first picture and the second one was not sage art and is therefore significantly weaker.


Also the size of the crater will not give us an indication of the size of the sphere unless we have some form of extrapolation, since the crater could be formed from the botton of the ball (in which case the sphere would be massive) or from the center

 

[FloriGlori]

There is not crater in the first picture and the second one was not sage art and is therefore significantly weaker.

Look at the panel on the right, where they're throwing the sealing scrolls. There's your crater.

The first one wasn't Senjutsu, either.
It was an ordinary Rasen Shuriken. Just stop trying to make up excuses.
Before you're going to saying now that it was stronger because of Kyuubi Modo, look at this.

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There's no difference, either. They are talking on this page, meaning that it's not just showing the instant where Rasen Shuriken starts to expand. Like I said before, stop trying to make up excuses.

 

[Maunten]

Look at the panel on the right, where they're throwing the sealing scrolls. There's your crater.

The first one wasn't Senjutsu, either.
It was an ordinary Rasen Shuriken. Just stop trying to make up excuses.
Before you're going to saying now that it was stronger because of Kyuubi Modo, look at this.

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There's no difference, either. They are talking on this page, meaning that it's not just showing the instant where Rasen Shuriken starts to expand. Like I said before, stop trying to make up excuses.

If the first one was not senjutsu why did you use it as in example? Both examples can not be used as I was talking about Sage:Art Rasenshuriken

I was not making exscusses, it is a fact that sage art techs are more powerful than normal techs.

The Sage Art Rasenshuriken was bigger than the non sage art ones if we go by the scans you gave, since if we go by size ratio the karuma that naruto fought is definately bigger than the pillars.

Also, sage art techs are more powerful versions of the normal techs, Beast mode or Kyubi mode which ever that one was gives naruto access to more chakra of karuma's chakra, and it also gives him this cloak, and enhances his speed.

He can still chose to use a normal Rasenshuriken, if he says sage art: de de de, then it is sage art, or if he uses it in sage mode.

 

[Strict]

Anyway your statement is invalid since Susanoo can cause a pure shockwave with its swing which can reach distant mountains, an attack that cannot be countered by a comprehensible way of Nagato. I'm asking myself whether I should take the Nagato fans seriously, its not like they overrate him, this shit starts getting absurd :sy:.

 

[FloriGlori]

If the first one was not senjutsu why did you use it as in example? Both examples can not be used as I was talking about Sage:Art Rasenshuriken

I was not making exscusses, it is a fact that sage art techs are more powerful than normal techs.

The Sage Art Rasenshuriken was bigger than the non sage art ones if we go by the scans you gave, since if we go by size ratio the karuma that naruto fought is definately bigger than the pillars.

Also, sage art techs are more powerful versions of the normal techs, Beast mode or Kyubi mode which ever that one was gives naruto access to more chakra of karuma's chakra, and it also gives him this cloak, and enhances his speed.

He can still chose to use a normal Rasenshuriken, if he says sage art: de de de, then it is sage art, or if he uses it in sage mode.

Oh boy, you're difficult indeed.

Senjutsu is making techniques stronger, not necessarily bigger. If you compare Naruto's size to that of a Senchakra infused Rasen Shuriken, you'll see that it's not significantly bigger than the ones without. That tiny difference isn't making it as big as a mountain. Also consider that Sandaime Raikage is bigger than Naruto.

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Either way, Rasen Shuriken cannot even dream of destroying an entire mountain.

 

[Maunten]

Anyway your statement is invalid since Susanoo can cause a pure shockwave with its swing which can reach distant mountains, an attack that cannot be countered by a comprehensible way of Nagato. I'm asking myself whether I should take the Nagato fans seriously, its not like they overrate him, this shit starts getting absurd :sy:.

So I suppose nagato will be in the Idea position to get hit by that (you can't use a gaint blade to kill a fly on your back.

Maaybe madara's susanoo will retain it's form while it's chakra flow is totally being disrupted.

Nagato has one of the biggest chakra reserves in NU, the state that he was fighting naruto in lol, and yet he still destroyed konoha in one force push.

I am not a nagato fan boy, I just don't underestimate everyone in the face of a perfect susanoo, especially not him.

 

[Strict]

So I suppose nagato will be in the Idea position to get hit by that (you can't use a gaint blade to kill a fly on your back.

Maaybe madara's susanoo will retain it's form while it's chakra flow is totally being disrupted.

Nagato has one of the biggest chakra reserves in NU, the state that he was fighting naruto in lol, and yet he still destroyed konoha in one force push.

I am not a nagato fan boy, I just don't underestimate everyone in the face of a perfect susanoo, especially not him.

Especially when the Sharingan can predict movements and Madara was about to crush all 5 Kages with one slash. Nagatos size doesn't matter actually, one swing of Susanoos sword will not only seize Nagato but a huge radius around him. If you, like you said, don't want to underestimate someone, then you have to look at both sides and not only to insist at one and the same thing.

 

[Maunten]

Oh boy, you're difficult indeed.

Senjutsu is making techniques stronger, not necessarily bigger. If you compare Naruto's size to that of a Senchakra infused Rasen Shuriken, you'll see that it's not significantly bigger than the ones without. That tiny difference isn't making it as big as a mountain. Also consider that Sandaime Raikage is bigger than Naruto.

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Either way, Rasen Shuriken cannot even dream of destroying an entire mountain.

Oh boy, you're difficult indeed.

Senjutsu is making techniques stronger, not necessarily bigger. If you compare Naruto's size to that of a Senchakra infused Rasen Shuriken, you'll see that it's not significantly different bigger than the ones without. Also consider that Sandaime Raikage is bigger than Naruto.

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Either way, Rasen Shuriken cannot even dream of destroying an entire mountain.

The explosion size of rasenshuriken is due to it's power.

Sage mode chakra makes all of your techs more powerful.

The rasenshuriken used in the karuma picture is bigger than the one used in the raikage pic.

 

[FloriGlori]

The rasenshuriken used in the karuma picture is bigger than the one used in the raikage pic.

Slightly. Not significantly. That was my point.

Its size is not even close to that of a mountain. Your eyes may also fool you, since Naruto is smaller than Sandaime Raikage, and a part of his Rasen Shuriken can't be seen since it disappears into the earth.

 

[Strict]

The explosion size of rasenshuriken is due to it's power.

Sage mode chakra makes all of your techs more powerful.

The rasenshuriken used in the karuma picture is bigger than the one used in the raikage pic.

Anyway, what's the point comparing the Rasenshuriken with Susanoos force, which can destroy a meteorite and cut two mountains with one swing of its sword?

A Bijudama used by a full Biju can cover a mountain, so you going to compare it with a Rasenshuriken? And where did you see the Shinra Tensei repelling a Rasenshuriken in the moment it explodes? Those are two different sizes as well.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Why do people think that Perfect Susano'o will take long to absorb? Madara said its power is comparable to a biju, not the chakra. It doesn't require chakra equivalent to Bee's v2 cloak and Nagato absorbed that in half a second. So it's ridiculous to say it would take 7 seconds. Also when Nagato can fly above the Madara's Susano'o sword's shockwave and he won't even feel it. Planes don't feel earthquakes.

 

[Maunten]

Especially when the Sharingan can predict movements and Madara was about to crush all 5 Kages with one slash. Nagatos size doesn't matter actually, one swing of Susanoos sword will not only seize Nagato but a huge radius around him. If you, like you said, don't want to underestimate someone, then you have to look at both sides and not only to insist at one and the same thing.

Nagato can fly as is very fast enough to dodge the swipe, he is also fast enough to get in close.

Can use Chibaku Tensei, even when he was unhealthy and had demolished all of konoha, his Chibaku ball was many times larger than the mountains that Madara demolished.

He can concentrate immense force into precise pockets and slice (as shown with deva path vs 6 tails) giving him the potential to accurately pierce the susanoo and kill Madara without destroying the susanoo it's self.

He can summon a giant statue with explosive powers comparable to PS, that can also suck madara's soul out without sacrificing nagato's soul.

While Gedo fight PS, Nagato can get in range easily, and use preta disrupting the chakra flow of PS and causing it to lose it's form.

Nagato dominates PS.

Anyway, what's the point comparing the Rasenshuriken with Susanoos force, which can destroy a meteorite and cut two mountains with one swing of its sword?

A Bijudama used by a full Biju can cover a mountain, so you going to compare it with a Rasenshuriken? And where did you see the Shinra Tensei repelling a Rasenshuriken in the moment it explodes? Those are two different sizes as well.

Oh I was not comparing them I don't even know how I got into that , I think I was just confirming a claim.

Slightly. Not significantly. That was my point.

Its size is not even close to that of a mountain. Your eyes may also fool you, since Naruto is smaller than Sandaime Raikage, and a part of his Rasen Shuriken can't be seen since it disappears into the earth.

It's not the size of a mountain I thought it was but I forget that karuma is half his original adult size, it is

1/3 of a mountain and the the explosion and force would destroy a mountain.

The explosion does not have to be the size of the mountain to destroy it, the mountain will crumble.

It also depends on the size of the mountains there were smaller and much bigger mountains in the susanoo slash picture.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

guys just face it.... nagato=madara , nagato can easily counter susanoo , but susanoo will just regenerate

 

[Strict]

Nagato can fly as is very fast enough to dodge the swipe, he is also fast enough to get in close.

Can use Chibaku Tensei, even when he was unhealthy and had demolished all of konoha, his Chibaku ball was many times larger than the mountains that Madara demolished.

He can concentrate immense force into precise pockets and slice (as shown with deva path vs 6 tails) giving him the potential to accurately pierce the susanoo and kill Madara without destroying the susanoo it's self.

He can summon a giant statue with explosive powers comparable to PS, that can also suck madara's soul out without sacrificing nagato's soul.

While Gedo fight PS, Nagato can get in range easily, and use preta disrupting the chakra flow of PS and causing it to lose it's form.

Nagato dominates PS.

Would have wondered if there was something productive.

That Nagato is flying very fast is just an assumption; in Konoha it was nothing but levitating. Even with the boost of Asuras rockets you can follow his movements easily; so did Naruto when crushed him. And in a matter of following any kind of movements the Sharingan is the perfect tool; Sasuke could even predict Raikage As moves in his Raiton no Yoroi Level 1 and hit him with his Chidori, while the others however couldn't even see him. In terms of speed a Sharingan user will always overtrump his opponent, whether Asuras Chakra boost or not, your argument is invalid.

Nagatos Chakralevel isn't depending on his physical condition since the Chakra of a being is always regenerating, even in Nagatos state. And above Nagato will certainly not use Chibaku Tensei in the very beginning of a battle but towards the end, like the most Shinobi would use their strongest technique as the last option. Further I never claimed that Susanoo could destroy Chibaku Tensei in its last stage, the combined attack of the Hachibi, Naruto and Itachi also wouldn't, but must I really tell you that you have to attack Chibaku Tensei in in its initial stage when you get sucked? When the spheres attraction starts, its stage will not nearly be at the size to withstand the perfect Susanoos strongest attack, not to mention his Susanoo possesses two of this gigantic swords.

And you don't have to come with Filler episodes, the fight against the six tailed Naruto and Devas cutting Shinra Tensei was nothing else.

Gedo Mazo is the only thing that stops Madara from slaughtering Nagato, to be honest and yet Madaras Susanoo is huger, faster, can regenerate itself since being Chakra and protects Madara. Gedo Mazo may have a powerful offense but yet Susanoos is comparable to it. In terms of speed Susanoo would be anyways the one who has the first attack.

 

[Maunten]

Would have wondered if there was something productive.

That Nagato is flying very fast is just an assumption; in Konoha it was nothing but levitating. Even with the boost of Asuras rockets you can follow his movements easily; so did Naruto when crushed him. And in a matter of following any kind of movements the Sharingan is the perfect tool; Sasuke could even predict Raikage As moves in his Raiton no Yoroi Level 1 and hit him with his Chidori, while the others however couldn't even see him. In terms of speed a Sharingan user will always overtrump his opponent, whether Asuras Chakra boost or not, your argument is invalid.

Nagatos Chakralevel isn't depending on his physical condition since the Chakra of a being is always regenerating, even in Nagatos state. And above Nagato will certainly not use Chibaku Tensei in the very beginning of a battle but towards the end, like the most Shinobi would use their strongest technique as the last option. Further I never claimed that Susanoo could destroy Chibaku Tensei in its last stage, the combined attack of the Hachibi, Naruto and Itachi also wouldn't, but must I really tell you that you have to attack Chibaku Tensei in in its initial stage when you get sucked? When the spheres attraction starts, its stage will not nearly be at the size to withstand the perfect Susanoos strongest attack, not to mention his Susanoo possesses two of this gigantic swords.

And you don't have to come with Filler episodes, the fight against the six tailed Naruto and Devas cutting Shinra Tensei was nothing else.

Gedo Mazo is the only thing that stops Madara from slaughtering Nagato, to be honest and yet Madaras Susanoo is huger, faster, can regenerate itself since being Chakra and protects Madara. Gedo Mazo may have a powerful offense but yet Susanoos is comparable to it. In terms of speed Susanoo would be anyways the one who has the first attack.

Some of what you said is incorrect, but I have been arguing Byakugan for a few hours so I am tired.

Nagato will use chibakua when he feels the situation demands it whether it is the end or beging of a fight,

Chakra does regenerate yes but over time, there was not enough time for his chakra to back to full capacity.

How do you know if Susanoo is fast, we saw one strike from it.

So you are just going to assume that nagato can't control the intensity and area of shinra for the sake of madara winning?

Flight is faster than any form of mobility, it is safe to assume that nagato can fly since he controls repulsive and attractive forces at his will.

He was shown to levitating high over the center of konoha how did he get there? Did he walk into the center past all of the Shinobi and sensors then fly up without anyone noticing

 

[Munboy]

The only thing threatening to Nagato are the non-chakra slashes. However that can be overcome with Shinra Tensei... or by moving.

 

[G0D]

dont think the user of perfect susano'o would be able to attack with the other hand because after the first arm is absorbed susano'o would distablize b4 it can attack again

What? Might I suggest you go to bed and wake up when you are feeling better?

 

[Nooby Kyuubi]

Karuma is the size of a mountain

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Rasenshuriken explosion compared to Karauma's size

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Minato sealed Kurama's yin chakra so he isn't as big.

 

[Maunten]

Minato sealed Kurama's yin chakra so he isn't as big.

Lol yeah thanks, I got corrected on that a few pages back