Perfect jinjuriky is invincible to genjutsu

[ShiroT]

Obito already said only bee was perfect jin. But people love to add a couple more themselves

danzo's words yagura had control. controling your biju is a perfect jin. just like yugito who could go 2 tails at will was a perfect jin

 

[ShiroT]

Then explain how Naruto, even when having control of Kurama Chakra, couldn't even transform into Kyuubi Chakra mode without Kurama's cooperation? Having the Bijuu's cooperation is an enormous powerup! Instead of him draining your Chakra while you use his, he instead adds to your Chakra, to bring one example of a direct benefit of a Bijuu's cooperation. Besides, the Sanbi was probably much like Kurama at the time, not really giving a damn as long as he got to smash shit up(and consequently come one step closer to freedom in his mind), thus not really giving a damn if Yagura(by all rights, just another person stealing his power and imprisoning him) got controlled by another *******.

you messed the point of my whole post lol. i said a perfect jin while it helps to have your biju as a friend its not required to be a perfect jin. being a perfect jin is beating your biju in a fight and controlling it. yagura could control it, making him a perfect jin, but like you said 3 tails probably didnt care for him so he didnt get the extra bonuses like not having his chakra constantly stolen

or thats what i consider a perfect jin

 

[Xāvî1]

I have seen many people having this misconception about genjutsu effect on jinjuriki .

1. Danzo said that only Madara , Hashirama , Yagura and Bee has the ability to controll bijuu .

2. Bee mentioned during the fight with sasuke that Perfect jinjuriky cannot be affected by genjutsu . Because the jinjuriky will snap him out of it .

3. So the question is how obito controlled Yagura ?

Now here is my explanation -

When Danzo mentioned those name he only meant those who had the ability to control bijuu . Not that the bijuu is supportive to the jinjuriky. Only when the bijuu willingly helping the jinjuriky then the bijuu will snap the jinjuriki out of genjutsu. See that Danzo mentioned Madara ,who never was a perfect jinjuriki(I mean bijuu never willingly helped him). But he could force a bijuu to obey him. And that's why madara can also be affected by genjutsu . The bijuu wont help him to escape. And that is the case with Yagura . He was not a perfect
jinjuriki . He could just control the bijuu.(Like madara) And that's why he could be put under genjutsu by obito. Otherwise the bijuu would not let obito control him.

So it is not like obito used some master kind of genjutsu on Yagura and that's why it worked on him.(Unless shown otherwise). And until now perfect jinjuriki like Naruto , Bee are immune to genjutsu.

Controlling a bijuu and being a perfect jin is two different things. there are only two known perfect jinchurikis those two are naruto and killer bee

 

[TrollKing]

danzo's words yagura had control. controling your biju is a perfect jin. just like yugito who could go 2 tails at will was a perfect jin

Unlike danzo, obito actually did control that jin and obito did say only bee was a perfect jin. Obito's words hold all the water in this case

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

Yagura is a perfect jin because Kisame was astonished that he was being controlled despite being a jin of the Three Tails.

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[TrollKing]

Yagura is a perfect jin because Kisame was astonished that he was being controlled despite being a jin of the Three Tails.

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Being astonished doesn't mean "he's a jin". It means obito can genjutsu a kage or a beasts or whatever

 

[Living Wiki]

you messed the point of my whole post lol. i said a perfect jin while it helps to have your biju as a friend its not required to be a perfect jin. being a perfect jin is beating your biju in a fight and controlling it. yagura could control it, making him a perfect jin, but like you said 3 tails probably didnt care for him so he didnt get the extra bonuses like not having his chakra constantly stolen

or thats what i consider a perfect jin

..Yeah, the meaning of perfect is to be at the highest level achievable. As Jinchuuriki, that is impossible without being in harmony with your Bijuu. You are not perfect if all of the power you posess is actively trying to resist or kill you. Not even close to the level of Bee and Naruto, the two confirmed perfect Jinchuuriki. I do not mean overall power here, Naruto might solo a Bijuu even without being a Jinchuuriki right now and is at a much higher overall level than Bee, but i am saying that as Jinchuuriki, there is no higher level and they have both reached it. In being able to control their Bijuu, Naruto and Bee kick the ass of any Jinchuuriki or anyone else who has ever tried to control the Bijuu in history except for Hagoromo, their very creator and father figure, though even then they were just created from the Juubi, which means there really wasn't much to control. Obito failed so hard one of them tried to kill him, Madara never had any sort of Cooperation either and was arguably the one that was hated the most, Gaara could not even sleep, Hashirama had to have their powers surpressed and sealed to keep them from destroying everything, the list goes on and on.

 

[Living Wiki]

Being astonished doesn't mean "he's a jin". It means obito can genjutsu a kage or a beasts or whatever

Agreed, he was surprised that the kage of all people was being controlled by someone from outside the village.

 

[Nattana]

Perfect Jins never were and never will be immune to Genjutsu.
Having Bijuu to snap you out of it =/= being immune.

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

Then why did Kisame reference Yagura being the host of the Three Tails then?

 

[TrollKing]

Then why did Kisame reference Yagura being the host of the Three Tails then?

There are 9 jin, obito could probably control 8 of those jin at that time. How? Control the biju, the hosts weak, so they are useless

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

There are 9 jin, obito could probably control 8 of those jin at that time. How? Control the biju, the hosts weak, so they are useless

I don't understand what you mean?

Kisame referenced Yagura as host because he was shocked that a mere sharingan could control Yagura who was a perfect jin and was also in disbelief that it was "Madara"(who we all know is Obito) who was controlling him and asked to see his face.

Also it isn't a stretch to say that Obito had a powerful genjutsu especially considering he was taught by Madara himself and that Kisame also pointed out that it would take a lot of power to control him with.

 

[Living Wiki]

Then why did Kisame reference Yagura being the host of the Three Tails then?

Because it is part of Yagura's reputation. Any ninja can become Kage, but Jinchuuriki always have some extra power stored inside, the sort that can destroy cities when unleashed. The sheer force of that power along with the security that comes with being a Kage makes it very hard to beat, let alone subdue him. The Sharingan certainly makes it easier, though. That and he was known as both the Kage and the Jinchuuriki of the Sanbi.
By the way, remember how vunerable Naruto was to Genjutsu before getting Kurama's Cooperation?

 

[Living Wiki]

I don't understand what you mean?

Kisame referenced Yagura as host because he was shocked that a mere sharingan could control Yagura who was a perfect jin and was also in disbelief that it was "Madara"(who we all know is Obito) who was controlling him and asked to see his face.

Also it isn't a stretch to say that Obito had a powerful genjutsu especially considering he was taught by Madara himself and that Kisame also pointed out that it would take a lot of power to control him with.

A "mere" Mangekyou Sharingan. XD And please stop calling him a perfect Jinchuuriki, it's pretty clear that only Bee and Naruto are that. And what you are basing your argument on, a scene that shows Yagura being controlled by the "mere Sharingan" pretty much disproves you instead. If you can trap a Perfect Jinchuuriki in a Genjutsu for that long then that Genjutsu is god-level(Infinite Tsukuyomi being the only one possibly able to trap a Perfect Jinchuuriki for extended periods of time). Soo... Yagura was not a Perfect Jinchuuriki, please stop fooling yourself. Kisame can be as surprised as he damned well wants when he sees an Uchiha controlling the Mizukage.

 

[TrollKing]

I don't understand what you mean?

Kisame referenced Yagura as host because he was shocked that a mere sharingan could control Yagura who was a perfect jin and was also in disbelief that it was "Madara"(who we all know is Obito) who was controlling him and asked to see his face.

Also it isn't a stretch to say that Obito had a powerful genjutsu especially considering he was taught by Madara himself and that Kisame also pointed out that it would take a lot of power to control him with.

People forgotten obito only able to trick people to believe that he's a powerless handicapped madara that has lost all madara's real power

 

[ShiroT]

A "mere" Mangekyou Sharingan. XD And please stop calling him a perfect Jinchuuriki, it's pretty clear that only Bee and Naruto are that. And what you are basing your argument on, a scene that shows Yagura being controlled by the "mere Sharingan" pretty much disproves you instead. If you can trap a Perfect Jinchuuriki in a Genjutsu for that long then that Genjutsu is god-level(Infinite Tsukuyomi being the only one possibly able to trap a Perfect Jinchuuriki for extended periods of time). Soo... Yagura was not a Perfect Jinchuuriki, please stop fooling yourself. Kisame can be as surprised as he damned well wants when he sees an Uchiha controlling the Mizukage.

so because obito hasnt revealed powerful gen he doesnt have one? obviously he's a expert at it if he can keep a kage and a jin perfect or not in it for as long as he did.

 

[Living Wiki]

so because obito hasnt revealed powerful gen he doesnt have one? obviously he's a expert at it if he can keep a kage and a jin perfect or not in it for as long as he did.

Oh, Obito is good at Genjutsu, i awknowledge that- he is an Uchiha. However, keeping a non-perfect Jinchuuriki in Genjutsu is far easier to do than trapping a Perfect Jinchuuriki. Thus far, not a single Genjutsu has kept a Perfect Jinchuuriki trapped. I'm saying that there is no way he'd have THAT powerful a Genjutsu. He has a decent amount of Genjutsu feats, but nowhere near Perfect Jinchuuriki- trapping range. Even Juubi Jin Madara did not even consider trying his Genjutsu, knowing there's no way it would work against someone like that and being fully aware that it would be a waste of time and Chakra (not that he is in short supply). Infinite Tsukuyomi may become an exception, but we'll see.

 

[Zen Uchiha]

You finally figured it out *claps*

yea claps again

 

[RedRobin]

Sasuke was able to see Kuruma inside Naruto. So I am sure Obito did to same to Yagura but when he met with Isobu, he put him in a genjustu.

 

[Living Wiki]

Sasuke was able to see Kuruma inside Naruto. So I am sure Obito did to same to Yagura but when he met with Isobu, he put him in a genjustu.

There's no need, it's like itachi's genjutsu on pre-perfect naruto, the.bijuu doesn't do much unless there is cooperation between him and the Jinchuuriki.