Perfect Jinchurriki's cannot break this genjutsu

[Unbiased]

Itachi's Tsukuyomi is the one genjutsu that I believe cannot be broken by a perfect Jinchurriki.

Itachi's version takes a few seconds to take in its full effect. By the time the Jinchurriki realizes he is caught in a genjutsu the genjutsu has taken its full effect. Itachi was able to keep kakashi in it for 3 days while in the real world it had been only a few seconds. Here's kakashi stating that the time it takes to reach its full effect is instant.

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Under normal circumstances a perfect Jinchurriki could break out of any genjutsu, but this one takes effect instantly according to kakashi meaning there is no time to break it. Just thought it was interesting.

 

[jaykuhz]

I think BM Naruto would be able to break out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

 

[-Carnage-]

it really depends on how fast its broken though...but youre right it takes effect in an instant

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[Joten Uchiha]

The beast inside can still disturb chakra making the victim aware of whats going on, also Kakashi can't be used as evidence cause he's not a Jinchurikki.

 

[Henrik]

Then you are simple telling me that the Bijuu itself goes into the Tsukuyomi?

 

[Unbiased]

The beast inside can still disturb chakra making the victim aware of whats going on, also Kakashi can't be used as evidence cause he's not a Jinchurikki.

Kakashi is used as evidence in terms of determining how long it takes to work. If it works instantly then there is no time to disturb the users chakra.

 

[-Vishual-]

The Bijuu itself isn't put under the genjutsu, so if it's still conscious and on good terms with it's host, then why wouldn't it be able to break the Jinchuuriki free?

 

[Unbiased]

The Bijuu itself isn't put under the genjutsu, so if it's still conscious and on good terms with it's host, then why wouldn't it be able to break the Jinchuuriki free?

The entire genjutsu happens instantly. There simply isn't enough time to break it because its instant.

 

[OnPoint]

No-one except an Uchiha can break Itachi's Tsukuyomi - but it's not because it's some uber HAX genjutsu. It's because Itachi can manipulate time inside the illusion, and thus, 72 hours = 1 second. So yes, by the time someone attempts to try and free themselves from the technique, it's already over. It seems the Sharingan can overcome the time manipulation. If Itachi did not possess this ability, i'm certain that his genjutsu (like others) could be broken by Perfect Jinchuurikis. That's why I think Killer Bee was able to escape Sasuke's Tsukuyomi; he lacked the time manipulation and so Bee was able to break free because the technique did not have time to take full effect. So yes, I agree with this thread.

 

[FraGDhaT]

His point isnt that the beast couldnt break it but marely by the 2nd second where he did break it instantly the technique had already taken full effect

 

[Kira was Righteous]

A couple of points id like to go into that proves that Uchiha Genjutsu can be broken ill start with the the so called Ultimate Genjutsu Koto Amatsukami.This technique allows the user to manipulate the victim without them knowing creating false experiences.This is a very very dangerous technique and if it hits home it is basically a one shot..yeahhh well almost.This technique was used on Mifune to manipulate him with his eye covered which was detected by Ao who claimed to know this technique through surviving a fight with Shisui Uchiha

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Ao even states he saw through the illusion

There is one important point about Mifune that i would like to make that makes Koto Amatsukami not a one shot yeahhh but rather a very dangerous technique that can be countered by very high level ninja.If KA is as dangerous as many uchiha fanboys make it out to be then why was Mifune snapped out of it by telling him he was in genjutsu? I believe any great Sensory type Ninja would be able to detect this as Ao was able to detect it through the colour of chakra and realise they are under its affects...My point being is that it can be broken through Normal means if you know you are under genjutsu Mifune proved this.
Mifune under the influence of genjutsu

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Mifune told he is being manipulated by KA

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Mifune acting normally and giving out orders not under KA

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Tsukuyomi aka the uchiha fanboys dream was stated by uchiha Itachi himself to be unbreakable while this is a biast manga quote talking about himself.There are some grounds for believing it as its only been used on Sasuke after Kakashi and he broke it the 3rd Time.The question is how does one break Tsukuyomi?The key is in the wording if we are to take this biast quote as evidence you must not selectively quote parts and add your own twist.

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My illusion jutsu Tsukuyomi cannot be beaten is not referring to his own version but the jutsu Tsukuyomi.The wording is clear and this is not true as others such as Bee have broken Tsukuyomi and even danzo stated that it was weaker compared to Itachis but this proves that it can be broken(The official handbook stated that Sasuke has to have had Tsukuyomi as well).Another thing to point out is that Itachi had never fought a tailed beast user or a Rinngean user but regardless it was broken so the technique as a whole can be broken... however that doesn't mean they can break it quick enough to respond to a attack.

In conclusion for those who are skimming through

KA broken by Mifune by being told he was in genjutsu and seen through by Ao with Byakagun who saw the genjutsu

Tsukuyomi broken by Bee,Itachi through a bias stated his illusionary technique justu Tsukuyomi couldn't be broken but proven wrong

 

[Unbiased]

His point isnt that the beast couldnt break it but marely by the 2nd second where he did break it instantly the technique had already taken full effect

+rep. Finally someone who understands.

 

[10023213]

yes it can
it is already stated that perfect host can be snapped out of genjutsu period.

 

[10023213]

No They can't.

Because the Bijuus feel the 1second , not the 72 Hours

The bijuus doesn't Go to the Tsukyomi's World , it's in the Victim's Mind.

maybe i missed something but where did it say that
basically the magna contradicts it'sself because it says that perfect host can be snapped out of genjutsu but it also says that tsuyki is unbreakable(i think)
bt based on logic no matter how strong a genjutsu is since it's only cast on one or the other (the host or the beast) then they should be able to snap each other out of it

 

[Joten Uchiha]

Ahh of course! I forgot the time manipulation, yeah you're right, by the time the beast disturbs your chakra it's already over.

 

[blackstar9]

A couple of points id like to go into that proves that Uchiha Genjutsu can be broken ill start with the the so called Ultimate Genjutsu Koto Amatsukami.This technique allows the user to manipulate the victim without them knowing creating false experiences.This is a very very dangerous technique and if it hits home it is basically a one shot..yeahhh well almost.This technique was used on Mifune to manipulate him with his eye covered which was detected by Ao who claimed to know this technique through surviving a fight with Shisui Uchiha

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Ao even states he saw through the illusion

There is one important point about Mifune that i would like to make that makes Koto Amatsukami not a one shot yeahhh but rather a very dangerous technique that can be countered by very high level ninja.If KA is as dangerous as many uchiha fanboys make it out to be then why was Mifune snapped out of it by telling him he was in genjutsu? I believe any great Sensory type Ninja would be able to detect this as Ao was able to detect it through the colour of chakra and realise they are under its affects...My point being is that it can be broken through Normal means if you know you are under genjutsu Mifune proved this.
Mifune under the influence of genjutsu

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Mifune told he is being manipulated by KA

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Mifune acting normally and giving out orders not under KA

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Tsukuyomi aka the uchiha fanboys dream was stated by uchiha Itachi himself to be unbreakable while this is a biast manga quote talking about himself.There are some grounds for believing it as its only been used on Sasuke after Kakashi and he broke it the 3rd Time.The question is how does one break Tsukuyomi?The key is in the wording if we are to take this biast quote as evidence you must not selectively quote parts and add your own twist.

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My illusion jutsu Tsukuyomi cannot be beaten is not referring to his own version but the jutsu Tsukuyomi.The wording is clear and this is not true as others such as Bee have broken Tsukuyomi and even danzo stated that it was weaker compared to Itachis but this proves that it can be broken(The official handbook stated that Sasuke has to have had Tsukuyomi as well).Another thing to point out is that Itachi had never fought a tailed beast user or a Rinngean user but regardless it was broken so the technique as a whole can be broken... however that doesn't mean they can break it quick enough to respond to a attack.

In conclusion for those who are skimming through

KA broken by Mifune by being told he was in genjutsu and seen through by Ao with Byakagun who saw the genjutsu

Tsukuyomi broken by Bee,Itachi through a bias stated his illusionary technique justu Tsukuyomi couldn't be broken but proven wrong

what are you talking about ? shee did not sense that mifune was under genjutsu .It was only because of the byakugan that allowed ao to detect it . secondly sasuke does not have tsukiyomi . he has sharingan genjutsu !

 

[Datguyjr]

I agree, I was reading random manga chapters today and it seems like it can work. I'm on my iPad so I can't post pictures so I'll just type it instead;

Naruto Manga 549, Pages 13-14, he caught Bee in a Genjutsu while fighting, while it was only for a second or two, It only takes a second and only took a second for Tsukuyomi to work on Kakashi, while to him it was 72 hours.

 

[SymphonyX]

A couple of points id like to go into that proves that Uchiha Genjutsu can be broken ill start with the the so called Ultimate Genjutsu Koto Amatsukami.This technique allows the user to manipulate the victim without them knowing creating false experiences.This is a very very dangerous technique and if it hits home it is basically a one shot..yeahhh well almost.This technique was used on Mifune to manipulate him with his eye covered which was detected by Ao who claimed to know this technique through surviving a fight with Shisui Uchiha

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Ao even states he saw through the illusion

There is one important point about Mifune that i would like to make that makes Koto Amatsukami not a one shot yeahhh but rather a very dangerous technique that can be countered by very high level ninja.If KA is as dangerous as many uchiha fanboys make it out to be then why was Mifune snapped out of it by telling him he was in genjutsu? I believe any great Sensory type Ninja would be able to detect this as Ao was able to detect it through the colour of chakra and realise they are under its affects...My point being is that it can be broken through Normal means if you know you are under genjutsu Mifune proved this.
Mifune under the influence of genjutsu

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Mifune told he is being manipulated by KA

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Mifune acting normally and giving out orders not under KA

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Tsukuyomi aka the uchiha fanboys dream was stated by uchiha Itachi himself to be unbreakable while this is a biast manga quote talking about himself.There are some grounds for believing it as its only been used on Sasuke after Kakashi and he broke it the 3rd Time.The question is how does one break Tsukuyomi?The key is in the wording if we are to take this biast quote as evidence you must not selectively quote parts and add your own twist.

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My illusion jutsu Tsukuyomi cannot be beaten is not referring to his own version but the jutsu Tsukuyomi.The wording is clear and this is not true as others such as Bee have broken Tsukuyomi and even danzo stated that it was weaker compared to Itachis but this proves that it can be broken(The official handbook stated that Sasuke has to have had Tsukuyomi as well).Another thing to point out is that Itachi had never fought a tailed beast user or a Rinngean user but regardless it was broken so the technique as a whole can be broken... however that doesn't mean they can break it quick enough to respond to a attack.

In conclusion for those who are skimming through

KA broken by Mifune by being told he was in genjutsu and seen through by Ao with Byakagun who saw the genjutsu

Tsukuyomi broken by Bee,Itachi through a bias stated his illusionary technique justu Tsukuyomi couldn't be broken but proven wrong

Actually Itachi did fight a tailed beast, him and Kisame captured two or three of them I think, but it doesn't say whether or not he used Tsukuyomi.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

what are you talking about ? shee did not sense that mifune was under genjutsu .It was only because of the byakugan that allowed ao to detect it . secondly sasuke does not have tsukiyomi . he has sharingan genjutsu !

Ao saw through KA the strongest eye genjutsu by the colour of its chakra

Sasuke has a weak form of Tsukuyomi as to have Susanoo he must have Amaterseru and Tsukuyomi he also clinched his forhead and his eyes started bleeding a trademark of Tsukuyomi

 

[10023213]

ok i'm kinda changing my post. Maybe perfect host can be put in genjutsu but they can probably snap out of it within seconds