Lmaoooooo, you're really making me sick. Present your reasoning then. Perfect Jin Gaara takes Sasori AND Deidara at the same damn time. This dude said Sasori solo's.... Lmao, yo.
Sorry for stating manga facts on yea . Deidara could of solo'd too but since you gave Gaara full knowledge, the best argument you can come up with now is to stop Deidara from using it. The thing is Deidara can still prep his C4 much like his C3 [
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Show me a scan where it says 6 tails worth of Bijuu chakra is its limit?
Also what does that mean for Shukaku, he only has one tail, if Kisame absorbs that much chakra from Gaara whilst in the Water Dome, which I might add is humongous, would Gaara not revert back to v2 or even base form.
Which would leave Gaara drowning and at the mercy of Kisame's 1000 or so sharks..
No, no. 6 tails worth of the chakra cloak. Not 6 tails worth of a fully transformed biju. It goes
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Each stage entails more chakra, and Samehadas limit is 6 tails worth of the chakra cloak, at a single time. That's no where near what Gaara+the Shukaku can muster up.
The WD is either avoided by Gaara going airborne, or it's countered by a huge sand tsunami.
Sorry for stating manga facts on yea . Deidara could of solo'd too but since you gave Gaara full knowledge, the best argument you can come up with now is to stop Deidara from using it. The thing is Deidara can still prep his C4 much like his C3 [
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And nothing entailing Sasori miraculously solo'ing. Then you act as if me giving both parties full knowledge on each other only benefits Gaara. The fact of the matter is, Sasori and his 3rd Kazekage puppet are mere childs play in the face of a perfect Jin Gaara. The amount of sand it has shown to use is nothing more but a sandbox in the middle of a dessert. So, I would love to hear what is Sasoris course of action, while Deidara preps his C4. Not like it even matters, as with full intel, Gaara only needs to fly above C4's range.
No, no. 6 tails worth of the chakra cloak. Not 6 tails worth of a fully transformed biju. It goes
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Each stage entails more chakra, and Samehadas limit is 6 tails worth of the chakra cloak, at a single time. That's no where near what Gaara+the Shukaku can muster up.
The WD is either avoided by Gaara going airborne, or it's countered by a huge sand tsunami.
Okay, it's been awhile .. But even if he can only absorb 6 tails worth of chakra PER strike, if he hits V2 or Shukaku at least once, probably more as Gaara is not very fast, plus his sand's speed will be diminished by the water, then Gaara WILL revert back to a previous form. Most likely base, as Gyuuki has 8 tails, Shukaku has 1.
Also when Kisame is fused with Samehada, the ability to absorb chakra is greatly increased, as Samehada's chakra goes to Kisame, instantly considering that they are now one. This with the fact that any injuries sustained are healed using this chakra.
All scans you have provided have been in areas where their is natural sand. If there is less sand in the area, he cannot create such large attacks, without preparing the ground.
Edit: I also forgot about Kisame's Doton: Dochū Senkō, which turns the earth surrounding him into liquid allowing him to swim in it, which will be very usefulwhen swimming through a "huge sand tsunami"...Combine that with the Samehada fusion and he will be able to swim through any of Gaara's jutsu, whilst absorbing the chakra in that sand. This is literally a game changer against Gaara.
If you think Gaara is making it past no. 2, your sadly mistaken.
Water slows his sand down, which is definitely something.
Kisame will create an ocean with Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha, which will restrict Gaara's ability to manipulate his sand, forcing him into a v2 state, as both can and will use long range techniques to no avail.
In v2, he is most likely going to try and CQC, if he tries that, he is going to get absolutely wrecked.
Kisame possses immense strength and speed, plus his Taijutsu is far superior, being able to fight with a 6 gates guy.
Add that to the fact that Samehada will absorb any chakra that v2 Gaara tries to attack with, in this case his body.
Next Gaara will go full Bijuu mode in this lake, Kisame's reply will be a Water dome. Gaara and Shukaku will not only be drowning underwater, they will be unable to move and extremely vulnerable to the fused Kisame and Samehada.
Kisame can just attack them with sharks or come in and absorb their chakra to his hears content, whilst they drown. As they can never escape it
If you think that Water dome won't be able to cover all of Shukaku, this shows the size of a summon inside the dome. Something which should roughly be the same size as the Ichibi.
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Even if they try to fire a TBB at Kisame somehow, whilst drowning Kisame will just use Great Shark Bullet technique, which will absorb the TBB and kill Gaara.
People need to stop sleeping on Kisame...He can murk nearly everybody.
Water literally does nothing to gaaras sand control. The mizukages Oil water is what gaara's sand has problems with. So stop mentioning water>sadn when its manga fact it does nothing to it.
Why would gaara enter CQ in V2 or any form???? Where did you get that from???? Gaara is a long range fighter and will always be a long ranged fighter! Not all Jinjurikis regardless of V2/v1 enter close combat! Stop making your own fan made BS up please!
Water dome is not unstoppable, and BM destoys water Dome No difficulty!
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Thats the size compared to trees the water dome is..
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The BM is roughly bigger with its long tail and what not! Kisames Water dome explodes because he is too big!
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Air Bullet Completely shits on the water dome!
And lets not start with this:
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Which completely doestroys Kisame!
And the Arms of Shukaku:
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Plus the fact Gaara will always be air born to avoid everything kisame has to offer! Gaara shits on kisame!
Sorry for stating manga facts on yea . Deidara could of solo'd too but since you gave Gaara full knowledge, the best argument you can come up with now is to stop Deidara from using it. The thing is Deidara can still prep his C4 much like his C3 [
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And nothing entailing Sasori miraculously solo'ing. Then you act as if me giving both parties full knowledge on each other only benefits Gaara. The fact of the matter is, Sasori and his 3rd Kazekage puppet are mere childs play in the face of a perfect Jin Gaara. The amount of sand it has shown to use is nothing more but a sandbox in the middle of a dessert. So, I would love to hear what is Sasoris course of action, while Deidara preps his C4. Not like it even matters, as with full intel, Gaara only needs to fly above C4's range.
I didn't feel like bringing up how Sasori takes this yet, I wanted to bring just one option. Gaara carrying more sand then Sasori is irrelevant of an advantage, since he doesn't need Gaara's amount of Sand to make this a match (What he carries is enough).
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. With comprehending the One-Tail's unique powers and produce his own version of the same, Sasori can easily used this ability to take out and overpower the Buijuu's sand. At one point the 3rd Kazekage had to use his influential jutsu to suppress the Buijuu much like the 4th in his time. [
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It matters not how much intel gaara has. The kage have enough skill and jutsu between themselves to last the 5 seconds to 1 shot gaara.
Anyone believe gaara passes 6 is excused even though Base gaara is raped by deidara alone, like in the manga, and shukaku gaara is 1 shotted with C4 he can't sense or run away from(0 speed feats). Adding sasori with his large amounts of IS just skews the match. If gaara doesn't kill them off the bat he's dying.
Anyone believing gaara passes 7 is delusional, but again, excusable.
Anyone believing he passes 8 needs a jesus christ and a holy baptism ASAP. Gaara's only hope in fights 6 and up is instant victory while opponent is on ground. Once opponent gets to do anything, it's over.
And @ everyone else saying Kisame defeats him
Are you guys forgetting Samehadas limit of 6 tails worth of Biju chakra? Are you guys forgetting that Gaara alone has biju level chakra? Are you guys forgetting Shukaku is a biju, thus has said amount of chakra? Combine the two, and that's a lot more then what Samehada can handle.
The amount of sand coming at Kisame would simply be way too overwhelming. That would be [1]-[2]-[3] but on an even larger scale! His lake nor Water Dome can contest with this; seeing as water isn't his sands weakness. Then you got multi-TBB's.... ya'll are crazy thinking Kisame can take this.
Oh, And btw, this is wrong. Just saying. Kisame Couldn't absorb a jutsu with 6 tails worth of chakra in it. This is how
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if he doesn't use it all in 1 jutsu. Gaara has not a single jutsu that has 1 tail, let alone 6 tails, worth of chakra at any given time; Bar bijuu dama of course... But that's taken care of with other means.
Water literally does nothing to gaaras sand control. The mizukages Oil water is what gaara's sand has problems with. So stop mentioning water>sadn when its manga fact it does nothing to it.
Why would gaara enter CQ in V2 or any form???? Where did you get that from???? Gaara is a long range fighter and will always be a long ranged fighter! Not all Jinjurikis regardless of V2/v1 enter close combat! Stop making your own fan made BS up please!
Water dome is not unstoppable, and BM destoys water Dome No difficulty!
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Thats the size compared to trees the water dome is..
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The BM is roughly bigger with its long tail and what not! Kisames Water dome explodes because he is too big!
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Air Bullet Completely shits on the water dome!
And lets not start with this:
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Which completely doestroys Kisame!
And the Arms of Shukaku:
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Plus the fact Gaara will always be air born to avoid everything kisame has to offer! Gaara shits on kisame!
I never once said that Water>Sand. I wrote that water slows it down, which limits its offensive and defensive capabilities. The scan you showed about Madara just proves that there was sand in the water and that he is still somewhat able to influence it...
Yes he may in fact use v2 for long range fighting, but if you look at every Jin who has used v2 including long/mid range fighters they all went into a CQB. How would v2 help his control of sand?
Also scans you showed just prove that water dome is larger than Shukaku, the water dome in that first pick is the size of a mountain and at least 8x the size of the trees, also check my scan where a summon who would be relatively the same size as gamabunta/shukaku is completely covered...
Whereas Shukaku and Gamabunta in a couple of picks are only 2x the size of the trees, the ones with the sword and the one with the air bullet. And on to that the air bullet is not doing shit to the water dome, its only the size of a tree...Water dome is the size of a frickin mountain.
The scan you showed was in a desert, Deidara even says he has the geographical advantage, which is not the case at this location.
What are arms of shukaku going to do to Kisame? He can avoid it, absorb it, or tank it as he uses Samehada's infinite supply of chakra when fighting Bijuu to heal himself.... plus with his Doton: Dochū Senkō, he can swim through it whilst absorbing it. Check my other post if you want info.
Gaara can't win this.
I'm goin ta bed. If ya wanna discuss some more I'll be on 2moro.
Okay, it's been awhile .. But even if he can only absorb 6 tails worth of chakra PER strike, if he hits V2 or Shukaku at least once, probably more as Gaara is not very fast, plus his sand's speed will be diminished by the water, then Gaara WILL revert back to a previous form. Most likely base, as Gyuuki has 8 tails, Shukaku has 1.
Also when Kisame is fused with Samehada, the ability to absorb chakra is greatly increased, as Samehada's chakra goes to Kisame, instantly considering that they are now one. This with the fact that any injuries sustained are healed using this chakra.
All scans you have provided have been in areas where their is natural sand. If there is less sand in the area, he cannot create such large attacks, without preparing the ground.
Edit: I also forgot about Kisame's Doton: Dochū Senkō, which turns the earth surrounding him into liquid allowing him to swim in it, which will be very usefulwhen swimming through a "huge sand tsunami"...Combine that with the Samehada fusion and he will be able to swim through any of Gaara's jutsu, whilst absorbing the chakra in that sand. This is literally a game changer against Gaara.
If you think Gaara is making it past no. 2, your sadly mistaken.
First of all, why would Gaara even use V2 when he has the ability to go airborne and avoid Kisame? That makes absolutely no sense. And yes, per strike, but you're forgetting that the sand is a continuis attack that will eventually overwhelm Samehada and Kisame. I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that water isn't the sands weakness [
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Only way Kisame would even think about fusing with Samehada is within a body of water, which I already established is countered. It doesn't take any effort for Gaara to make sand out of the ground [
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Except Gaaras sand isn't classified as the earth itself. So, Kisame isn't swimming through his chakra controlled sand at all. However, Kisame can take shelter under the service from the stand tsunami. But just understand that Gaara has sensor sand and will know the exact location Kisame chooses to resurface. You're debating with someone who has profound knowledge on Kisame, and his chances of winning are very slim to none.
I didn't feel like bringing up how Sasori takes this yet, I wanted to bring just one option. Gaara carrying more sand then Sasori is irrelevant of an advantage, since he doesn't need Gaara's amount of Sand to make this a match (What he carries is enough).
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. With comprehending the One-Tail's unique powers and produce his own version of the same, Sasori can easily used this ability to take out and overpower the Buijuu's sand. At one point the 3rd Kazekage had to use his influential jutsu to suppress the Buijuu much like the 4th in his time. [
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It's really not even close to enough. But since you're talking more then you're putting up, I'm not even going to entertain this silly statement. The manga scan of which you provided specifically says the Shukakus previous host, as in it's jinchuuriki. Not the Shukaku itself. And the amount of iron within natural sand, is extremely miniscule, hence why it's not black in color. The iron sand mixed in with Gaaras sand would literally do close to nothing! I'll let the video do the explaining.
And the sand in this video is doing no resistance whats so ever. In Gaaras case, it will be essentially a tug of war between his chakra manipulation and the magnetic forces which would only pull out the iron sand in the first place. So try again.
It matters not how much intel gaara has. The kage have enough skill and jutsu between themselves to last the 5 seconds to 1 shot gaara.
Anyone believe gaara passes 6 is excused even though Base gaara is raped by deidara alone, like in the manga, and shukaku gaara is 1 shotted with C4 he can't sense or run away from(0 speed feats). Adding sasori with his large amounts of IS just skews the match. If gaara doesn't kill them off the bat he's dying.
Anyone believing gaara passes 7 is delusional, but again, excusable.
Anyone believing he passes 8 needs a jesus christ and a holy baptism ASAP. Gaara's only hope in fights 6 and up is instant victory while opponent is on ground. Once opponent gets to do anything, it's over.
Except it takes literally less then 5 seconds for Gaara to conjure up a
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of an even larger scale that will not only block Onokis line of sight, but make it difficult for the kage to counter/avoid. From there, Gaara can take numerous courses of action. Such as sand clone feinting (to avoid jinton), going airborne, sand coffins, sand pyramids, etc. Most of the Gokage are overwhelmed off the bat.
I'm just going to ignore everything else you said. It's clear you aren't fully grasping the capabilities of a perfect jin Gaara.
Oh, And btw, this is wrong. Just saying. Kisame Couldn't absorb a jutsu with 6 tails worth of chakra in it. This is how
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if he doesn't use it all in 1 jutsu. Gaara has not a single jutsu that has 1 tail, let alone 6 tails, worth of chakra at any given time; Bar bijuu dama of course... But that's taken care of with other means.
It's really not even close to enough. But since you're talking more then you're putting up, I'm not even going to entertain this silly statement. The manga scan of which you provided specifically says the Shukakus previous host, as in it's jinchuuriki. Not the Shukaku itself. And the amount of iron within natural sand, is extremely miniscule, hence why it's not black in color. The iron sand mixed in with Gaaras sand would literally do close to nothing! I'll let the video do the explaining.
And the sand in this video is doing no resistance whats so ever. In Gaaras case, it will be essentially a tug of war between his chakra manipulation and the magnetic forces which would only pull out the iron sand in the first place. So try again.
Let me address that Iron Sand attack statement was directly to Gaara's personal Sand. The statement was not talking bout his geographical sand he can manipulate vs amount of Iron Sand has in possession (Which is why I brought up the amount of Sand = irrelevant). Now you just clarified the scan I just post and I want to say thank you for that clarification. The reason why I thank you by proving that its of the the jinjiriki then the Beast himself means that its influence was greater then the actual Beast. It is manga fact that the Beast without a host is
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. The rest the the scans I post fully supports that it is indeed the strongest Sand/jutsu in Suna village. The strongest prove supports that the tug of war winner is: 3rd Kazekage.
Except it takes literally less then 5 seconds for Gaara to conjure up a
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of an even larger scale that will not only block Onokis line of sight, but make it difficult for the kage to counter/avoid. From there, Gaara can take numerous courses of action. Such as sand clone feinting (to avoid jinton), going airborne, sand coffins, sand pyramids, etc. Most of the Gokage are overwhelmed off the bat.
I'm just going to ignore everything else you said. It's clear you aren't fully grasping the capabilities of a perfect jin Gaara.
is what his sand tsunami would look like. So...
1) Mei counters all sand coming directly at them with her suiton while onoki preps, then Onoki fires off a massive jinton in gaara's direction. Blocking line of sight does nothing when The Jinton creates a large cube over an area. The sand within the area, and everything else(gaara) is materialized within the start 5 seconds.
2) It takes less than a second for Onoki to [
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] reducing gaara to being able to use only gourd sand for the few seconds until he's able to grind enough sand to be usable again. Onoki proceeds to super jinton during gaara's downtime - lol if you try to claim Gaara will manipulated super weighted sand when Super aggravted Rock Made a crater with muu from sheer weight.
The Gokage Have too many counters to guy, especially once they get airborne. Which is an easy feat after oonoki has weighted gaara's sand. All he'd need to do is 'touch and go' to give flight.
And let me ask you something. Sand manipulation of this scale doesn't require bijuu level chakra reserves? [
It requires it, but it doesn't contain V2 6 tails worth of chakra, therefore the chakra will be absorbed from it. Kisame can absorb more than 6 tails worth of chakra gradually (like samehade absorbing all of bee's chakra over time, upon contact, or Kisamehade absorbing His V2 in WD) the problem comes when it all comes in an instant (V2 Lariat). Even if Gaara has an attack that contains 6+ V2 tails worth of chakra -- which is impossible since that's more tails than he has -- the chakra won't all be concentrated into one point(lariat) but would be spread over the massive sand attack. The points of sand around kisame at any one point wouldn't be near 6 tails worth of chakra.
You're overestimating perfect jin gaara. You're acting like he's the first perfect jin in the show. Killer bee, Yagura, yugito are all perfect jins who were all solo'd by an akatsuki member. Infact, Gaara himself was partially perfect when deidara solo'd him - He could perform partial and full bijuu transformations and had all the bijuu perks. Even as a kid he was able to use the shukaku easily in full form, the only time he lost control was when he wanted to. All this thread gave gaara was TBB and Air cannon. He still loses from 6 and on.
Wait why the hell not? This sand is even easier to absorb, as the TB's are made from chakra and basically chakra alone, and we already know he can absorb physical states of matter created from chakra
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I see no reason why the sand wouldn't be absorbed as well, and even so the chakra controlling the sand would be gone and it would drop lifeless to the ground
Is the sand made of chakra? No. Obviously not. That alone shits on your whole assertion right here.
Was that liquid made of chakra? YES. Is Sand? No. Its only controlled using chakra, completely different. Don't come here and tell me the sand on Shukkaku's body is made from chakra even though manga clearly disagrees. Bijuu were made by taking the Juubi's chakra, forming it into a physical shape and breathing life into it. His body is the same as the other Bijuu in the sense that its not made of chakra. So no, Preta isn't absorbing shit.
Bold makes no sense if he is trying to absorb the sand on Shukaku's body considering its his damn body, he can add more chakra to it as Preta sucks it out, he'd have to suck out all of Shukaku's chakra in order to prevent him from using the sand on his body, and we all know he can't do that before he dies.
Not to mention he isn't surviving a shit load of sand being dumped on top of him. Whether its controlled by chakra or not.
The sand in his gourd is made from chakra according to this scan. Not the sand that he can control from the environment or the sand that Shukaku controls from his own body.
The sand in his gourd is made from chakra according to this scan. Not the sand that he can control from the environment or the sand that Shukaku controls from his own body.
Yeah i know. I was talking about Gaara's sand(the one in his gourd), not the one in the environment which is obviously not chakra based since it's from the nature
Yeah i know. I was talking about Gaara's sand(the one in his gourd), not the one in the environment which is obviously not chakra based since it's from the nature
Oh....ok then. I thought you were saying my point about the sand that I mentioned in my post (From his body and from the environment) was incorrect..lol.
The sand in his gourd is made from chakra according to this scan. Not the sand that he can control from the environment or the sand that Shukaku controls from his own body.
If they hadn't reinforced it, the chakra would have been sucked out and it would have just fallen off of Madara's body like it did last time, so no sand from the environment can't be absorbed via Preta Path. Especially since Preta absorbs chakra only, Sand isn't chakra.
. Deidara could of solo'd too but since you gave Gaara full knowledge, the best argument you can come up with now is to stop Deidara from using it. The thing is Deidara can still prep his C4 much like his C3 [
