[Debate] "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce."

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CurseSealofEarth

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

Anyway, we are animals in the biological groups, but we have evolved a lot, such high level that we have left out planet and went toother places, with advanced medicine, etc... We didn't come to where we are as "animals", we are better than that (even though been doing many stupid stuff and destroying our "house" but that's another story"

Regressing to a weaker species will not help in any way. Good talking with you.
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

I have noticed that retarded people don't have children

I believe there is a law that prevents people who are not considered mentally retarded from having *** with someone who is due to their lack of ability to give consent. That situation is a little different.
But I'm sure it does occur, but it is probably very rare. Also, some causes of mental retardation are not hereditary.
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

Imagine that it would be you. Would you like to hear "I'm sorry, you can't have children. If you do, we'll have to kill them"
First off stop multiposting. The reason i said that was because I thought you said in that title "Its wrong to allow them to reproduce." I just went with it. Technically speaking I guess anyone has the right to marry anyone regardless of deformities. of course they should be allowed to reproduce and be happy. We all do that is like saying Black people are not allowed to get married.
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

They are people too! And if they can get laid! Let em at it! But no they shouldn't be allowed to have children! At least the ones that have to be on constant surveillance! If they can't take care of themselves then how can they take care of a child!? The number of mentally handicapped that already get taken care of by the states is already tucking ridiculous! And I'm not gonna pay more taxes just so they can have children they can't take care of in the first place! The question is to vague there should be more stipulations on wether or not they are capable of havin said children!
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

First off stop multiposting. The reason i said that was because I thought you said in that title "Its wrong to allow them to reproduce." I just went with it. Technically speaking I guess anyone has the right to marry anyone regardless of deformities. of course they should be allowed to reproduce and be happy. We all do that is like saying Black people are not allowed to get married.

You can't compare race to mental disability! If they cannot take care of themselves then no they can't have children! But there is high functioning mental handicaps who can! And yes they should be allowed
 

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They are people too! And if they can get laid! Let em at it! But no they shouldn't be allowed to have children! At least the ones that have to be on constant surveillance! If they can't take care of themselves then how can they take care of a child!? The number of mentally handicapped that already get taken care of by the states is already tucking ridiculous! And I'm not gonna pay more taxes just so they can have children they can't take care of in the first place! The question is to vague there should be more stipulations on wether or not they are capable of havin said children!

I understand your point completely. That could lead to more children in foster care that more than likely would not be adopted. At the same time, I can't get behind taking away someone's basic human right. Where do you stop? What about people who are strung out on drugs or homeless? Should they also not be allowed to reproduce? There really is no black or white answer to that.
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

They are people too! And if they can get laid! Let em at it! But no they shouldn't be allowed to have children! At least the ones that have to be on constant surveillance! If they can't take care of themselves then how can they take care of a child!? The number of mentally handicapped that already get taken care of by the states is already tucking ridiculous! And I'm not gonna pay more taxes just so they can have children they can't take care of in the first place! The question is to vague there should be more stipulations on whether or not they are capable of having said children!

LOL you're just worried about the taxes? xD But seriously, you explained your point well, also agree with "you can't compare race to mental disability". But don't forget it isn't just mental, like for example the one in the video was just physical disability I guess
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

I understand your point completely. That could lead to more children in foster care that more than likely would not be adopted. At the same time, I can't get behind taking away someone's basic human right. Where do you stop? What about people who are strung out on drugs or homeless? Should they also not be allowed to reproduce? There really is no black or white answer to that.

I'm with you on that! I couldn't be the one to say who can and who can't! And no junkies and homeless shouldn't be allowed! Buuuuut! You can't keep track of those people as well as the disabled! And the really sad part is that there are people who have no disabilities what so ever and they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce! Just one of those things you can't possibly be able to control
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

LOL you're just worried about the taxes? xD But seriously, you explained your point well, also agree with "you can't compare race to mental disability". But don't forget it isn't just mental, like for example the one in the video was just physical disability I guess

Haha no I am not seriously worried about the taxes! Cause if its not from them it's from something else! My point was to say that they shouldn't be able to have a child if its just going to get shipped to a state facility instantly! But you knew that!
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

Haha no I am not seriously worried about the taxes! Cause if its not from them it's from something else! My point was to say that they shouldn't be able to have a child if its just going to get shipped to a state facility instantly! But you knew that!

Well yeah, I agree with that too, if if they can take care of their children, maybe they should be allowed to have them... But still telling them they can't it's like when Tsunade told Rock Lee (which couldn't do two thirs of jutsus, so basically handicap), that he had to give up in his dreams/wish. Like it was said here, they have endured a lot pain already, but they should understand. I think that there should be just limits to measure how well you could take care of your child, if you are disable ofc
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

"People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce." Saw this question while doing this politics test to know my ideologies...

What do you think of this statement??

And do you agree, strongly disagree, or disagree, strongly disagree? And don't forget to say why :)

Honestly, I think a more ideal system is the way the Clans operate in the Battletech Universe:

I'd soften the barriers between each caste system, considerably - but I'm not at all opposed to a highly competitive society with eugenic overtones.

Realistically, it would be dangerous to impose this system - even on the generations of individuals produced by it. While I like the idea of the system, and believe eugenics to be an important consideration in a population as large as ours... I do not believe it ethical to impose.

The best middle-ground I can come up with would be to have genetic databases that track the population for a few generations and attempt to detect genetic correlations between physical and mental characteristics (both positive and negative) - then use that information to make a sort of "match making" service available, as well as a "risk assessment" service available, also (to help determine whether or not you should look at gene therapy solutions for your children since they may have a high risk of carrying genetic complications).

But this would be a sort of public-service initiative - none of it should be mandatory aside from, possibly, collection of DNA and physical records (though people will probably freak right the hell out when you start telling them that you'll be collecting their DNA and gaining access to your medical and school records).

Science says we got here because of natural selection, but then we are not animals!

Like it or not, our physical bodies are part of a process that also produced animals and allowed us to become the sentient beings we believe ourselves to be. We are not removed from natural selection - the system is always "above" us. Even now - there are elements of social selection imposed by the environment as well as individuals of our society (have big boobs? Lucky you - most of the male population wants to impregnate you). There will always be selective forces acting on procreation.

The question is just how much of a conscious role do we want to play in that (there will always be factors beyond our control, however).

I want my kids to have every advantage possible - and I will be interested in the capabilities of genetic engineering by time I am looking at having kids. Doesn't mean I'll have it done on my kids... but I'm open to the possibilities.

And I strongly disagree. They are humans too, and should let them be happy, even though it'll be hard as society will judge them. Anyways don't let what i think have an influence in your answer, if so that's good lol

I understand where you are coming from... but at the same time - it's fairly selfish to have your own satisfaction at the almost certain detriment of another human being, who will be forced to make the same choice: "Pass on this curse to another generation to satisfy my biological urges... or not."

It is a cruel condition...
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

Honestly, I think a more ideal system is the way the Clans operate in the Battletech Universe:

I'd soften the barriers between each caste system, considerably - but I'm not at all opposed to a highly competitive society with eugenic overtones.

Realistically, it would be dangerous to impose this system - even on the generations of individuals produced by it. While I like the idea of the system, and believe eugenics to be an important consideration in a population as large as ours... I do not believe it ethical to impose.

The best middle-ground I can come up with would be to have genetic databases that track the population for a few generations and attempt to detect genetic correlations between physical and mental characteristics (both positive and negative) - then use that information to make a sort of "match making" service available, as well as a "risk assessment" service available, also (to help determine whether or not you should look at gene therapy solutions for your children since they may have a high risk of carrying genetic complications).

But this would be a sort of public-service initiative - none of it should be mandatory aside from, possibly, collection of DNA and physical records (though people will probably freak right the hell out when you start telling them that you'll be collecting their DNA and gaining access to your medical and school records).



Like it or not, our physical bodies are part of a process that also produced animals and allowed us to become the sentient beings we believe ourselves to be. We are not removed from natural selection - the system is always "above" us. Even now - there are elements of social selection imposed by the environment as well as individuals of our society (have big boobs? Lucky you - most of the male population wants to impregnate you). There will always be selective forces acting on procreation.

The question is just how much of a conscious role do we want to play in that (there will always be factors beyond our control, however).

I want my kids to have every advantage possible - and I will be interested in the capabilities of genetic engineering by time I am looking at having kids. Doesn't mean I'll have it done on my kids... but I'm open to the possibilities.



I understand where you are coming from... but at the same time - it's fairly selfish to have your own satisfaction at the almost certain detriment of another human being, who will be forced to make the same choice: "Pass on this curse to another generation to satisfy my biological urges... or not."

It is a cruel condition...

Well put... The idea about tracking sounds a bit weird. Don't get me wrong, just weird to think we'll be tracked, give dna, etc... Would have its advantages, but then how about disadvantages and risks, and also the ethnicity of it.
And yeah, I mentioned also he could be seen as selfish
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

1st Amendment
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

Pretty hard to make a firm decision in this difficult situation. At first thought, I'd say noone has the right to prevent 2 disabled people from having a child...but at the other hand....It is VERY selfish of a disabled couple to bear a child knowing that it will suffer some mental or physical inabilities that will keep the child from having a normal life. Very selfish, imo.
 

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They are people too! And if they can get laid! Let em at it! But no they shouldn't be allowed to have children! At least the ones that have to be on constant surveillance! If they can't take care of themselves then how can they take care of a child!? The number of mentally handicapped that already get taken care of by the states is already tucking ridiculous! And I'm not gonna pay more taxes just so they can have children they can't take care of in the first place! The question is to vague there should be more stipulations on wether or not they are capable of havin said children!
this ^
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

I believe that everyone should have the same rights, always. The fact that there's people who agree with this just makes me sick to my stomach, though they are entitled to their opinions. /so yea, if they want to reproduce, they should have the right to do so.
 

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Re: "People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

To put simply: they shouldn't but they should be allowed to make that choice themselves.
 
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