People downplaying Kakashi because his "eye is Obito's" is ridiculous.

[BenjerminGaye]

Im not denying anything. You know what they say about gifts? That you cant take it back?
You are the ones denying manga when disregarding bloodline LIMIT not mere characters statement.

That's like saying ao can't activate his byakugan cuz it's not his bloodline limit. Makes no sense. Kakashi awakened his ms. Not obito.

 

[AlphaScythian]

That's only for 3tome. According to tobirama.

Chakra change from 3t to MS has been confirmed, therefore another awakening is necessary and kakashi still has no KKG for that.

That's like saying ao can't activate his byakugan cuz it's not his bloodline limit. Makes no sense. Kakashi awakened his ms. Not obito.

I dont know of byakugan it works differently with all those veins. But kakashi cannot deactivate his sharingan and they have same design, if it was kakashi's awakening it would be different.

 

[Takos]

Not his power, never was. He didnt earn it he didnt deserve it, didnt awaken it nor even developed.

The only thing that's right here is "didn't awaken". All the other stuff is bs.

He was trusted with it to save rin and failed. He would be blind if not for obito's link.

Ah, sweet speculations.

While i get what are you saying, but kakashi just rides uchiha power here. While no1 cared at first, it was balanced power but now his kamui gotten so OP out of the blue that its just disgusting.

Kakashi has only Sharingan that is "borrowed". Obito has:
-Rinnegan
-Mokuton
-Zetsu-like body
-A storage of Sharingans

An Obito fan shouldn't be the one to speak here, really.

Kakashi has no KKG to awaken shit here. Kakashhi has water and earth but cannot have mokuton cuz its KKG. Kakashi's mind simply cant start producing special uchiha chakra he has no DNA for that.

Obito specifically said Kakashi awakened MS. What's so hard for you to grasp here?

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[BenjerminGaye]

Chakra change from 3t to MS has been confirmed, therefore another awakening is necessary and kakashi still has no KKG for that.

Confirmed by who?

 

[Retsu]

Why not? Lol. Ftg (another space time tech)worked on obito and he was the closest we've seen to the sosp.

Well Kakashi knows how big a threat Maddy is and you ppl claim kamui has infinite range, and is faster than amaterasu, why hasn't kishi used it on Maddy then? Because he can't? I think so

 

[Takos]

Well Kakashi knows how big a threat Maddy is and you ppl claim kamui has infinite range, and is faster than amaterasu, why hasn't kishi used it on Maddy then? Because he can't? I think so

Infinite range, but you need to see the target. Maddy is in a totally different location right now and Kakashi's priority is not him, but Obito. You know, comrades>mission .

But I'm not saying Kamui definitely works on Madara. It might, but maybe Pret is able to stop it. We have too little info right now.

 

[Retsu]

Infinite range, but you need to see the target. Maddy is in a totally different location right now and Kakashi's priority is not him, but Obito. You know, comrades>mission .

But I'm not saying Kamui definitely works on Madara. It might, but maybe Pret is able to stop it. We have too little info right now.

Just gonna go out on a limb and say kamui isn't as fast as Amaterasu nor does it have infinite range

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well Kakashi knows how big a threat Maddy is and you ppl claim kamui has infinite range, and is faster than amaterasu, why hasn't kishi used it on Maddy then? Because he can't? I think so

Indefinite range. The term used should be"as far as the eye can see"
Can kakashi see madara? There's your answer.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Just gonna go out on a limb and say kamui isn't as fast as Amaterasu nor does it have infinite range

Raikage dodges ama but the much faster minato canbarely dodge obito's kamui.
That alone should tell you which tech its faster.

 

[AlphaScythian]

The only thing that's right here is "didn't awaken". All the other stuff is bs.

And all the other as kakashi wasnt even aware of him having MS. Only later he started using it and was so far behind in skill.

Ah, sweet speculations.

How is it speculation? Obito doesnt go blind cuz senju power and kakashi? You're in denial, you cant explain it by other means then link from obito.

Kakashi has only Sharingan that is "borrowed". Obito has:
-Rinnegan
-Mokuton
-Zetsu-like body
-A storage of Sharingans
An Obito fan shouldn't be the one to speak here, really.

Im not denying obito's extra powers, but sharingan is his power and having both eyes he would solo any1. Oh but we can, kakashi is now claimed to be in top 10 due to kamui not raikiri.

Obito specifically said Kakashi awakened MS. What's so hard for you to grasp here?

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Right cuz obito was aware that kakashi awoken MS at the same time he was? How come he can cancel kakshi's eye whenever he wants?
Or shall we go into many other statements that were wrong? He did say that it was same eye after all.

Confirmed by who?

Karin noted the change in the chakra, Tobirama too said that eye gets stronger the more emotional one gets, kakshi isnt very emotional

 

[Retsu]

Raikage dodges ama but the much faster minato canbarely dodge obito's kamui.
That alone should tell you which tech its faster.

Amaterasu since obito was close range

 

[BenjerminGaye]

And all the other as kakashi wasnt even aware of him having MS. Only later he started using it and was so far behind in skill.
How is it speculation? Obito doesnt go blind cuz senju power and kakashi? You're in denial, you cant explain it by other means then link from obito.
Im not denying obito's extra powers, but sharingan is his power and having both eyes he would solo any1. Oh but we can, kakashi is now claimed to be in top 10 due to kamui not raikiri.
Right cuz obito was aware that kakashi awoken MS at the same time he was? How come he can cancel kakshi's eye whenever he wants?
Or shall we go into many other statements that were wrong? He did say that it was same eye after all.Karin noted the change in the chakra, Tobirama too said that eye gets stronger the more emotional one gets, kakshi isnt very emotional

Yet kakashi cried when obito "died" and he cried when rin died.
Karin can't be used as proof. Sasuke knew about and wanted to try susanno before he even got to the summit yet she only noted changes after the fact.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Amaterasu since obito was close range

Kakashi's is faster than obito's regardless of range.

 

[Retsu]

Kakashi's is faster than obito's regardless of range.

but not as fast or reliable as amaterasu

 

[BenjerminGaye]

but not as fast or reliable as amaterasu

Obito's kamui is faster than amaterasu.
Kakashi's kamui is faster than obito's kamui.

Abc logic works here because only one figure is being compared. Speed.

 

[Takos]

And all the other as kakashi wasnt even aware of him having MS. Only later he started using it and was so far behind in skill.

So? He still awakened MS and developed it on his own, the time it took him to do so is irrelevant.

How is it speculation? Obito doesnt go blind cuz senju power and kakashi? You're in denial, you cant explain it by other means then link from obito.

We don't know if Kakashi isn't going blind. What he told Itachi suggests otherwise.

Im not denying obito's extra powers, but sharingan is his power and having both eyes he would solo any1. Oh but we can, kakashi is now claimed to be in top 10 due to kamui not raikiri.

No. Without Senju DNA he would not be able to spam it without getting tired.
Plus he'd go blind.
Overall, he'd only be able to use it as a last resort. Obito on his "own" powers, even with both eyes, would still be at his or Kakashi's current level, due to lack of Senju DNA.

Right cuz obito was aware that kakashi awoken MS at the same time he was? How come he can cancel kakshi's eye whenever he wants?

He was only shown to be able to cancel Kamui that:
1) is directed at himself
2) is directed at something so large that it takes a longer time
He wasn't able to stop Kakashi from kamuing a kunai, nor a clone. He also wouldn't be able to stop Kakashi with Kyuubi's cloak from kamuing the Juubi, because he had to physically interrupt Kakashi to stop him. Presumably because he didn't have enough chakra.

Or shall we go into many other statements that were wrong? He did say that it was same eye after all.Karin noted the change in the chakra, Tobirama too said that eye gets stronger the more emotional one gets, kakshi isnt very emotional

By saying it's the same eye he meant that it's the same technique: Kamui.
Even if some parameters differ (Kakashi being able to use it long-range, Obito being able to phase) it's essentials are the same.
Kakashi isn't very emotional? That's just your speculations, Kakashi is a closed person, but he was deeply shaken by the events in his life. He was crying when he pierced Rin.

 

[Retsu]

Obito's kamui is faster than amaterasu.
Kakashi's kamui is faster than obito's kamui.

Abc logic works here because only one figure is being compared. Speed.

his kamui is not faster than amaterasu, you made that up

 

[BenjerminGaye]

his kamui is not faster than amaterasu, you made that up

No. I didn't. Looking at the manga its easy to draw this conclusion.

Raikage dodged sasukes ama with speed. Fact.
Raikage already admitted that minato is faster than him. Fact.

So by extension minato can dodge ama

Minato dodged obito's kamui with ftg. Fact.
But maddy summoning the gedo mazo(works just like ftg) was partially thwarted by kakashi's kamui(lost an arm)

So kakashi's kamui is comparable to ftg in speed.
Both techniques are faster than ama.

 

[LegendaryAce]

if it wasn't for Kakashi... Obito would never have achieved MS... what friend/loved person was there for Obito to feel such a loss?

He dreamt of rin and unlocked it. simple!

 

[AlphaScythian]

So? He still awakened MS and developed it on his own, the time it took him to do so is irrelevant.

No proof of that. All you have is obito's and itachi's statements. None of them was aware when and how kakashi awakened it so they assumed it was him. The truth is its an unique case in history of sharingan when 2 user share same undeveloped eye.

We don't know if Kakashi isn't going blind. What he told Itachi suggests otherwise.

Yeah but obito spams it all the time and isnt blind kakashi has used it enough already and aside his statement never *****ed about his sight nor even about pain caused by using MS techs.

No. Without Senju DNA he would not be able to spam it without getting tired.
Plus he'd go blind.
Overall, he'd only be able to use it as a last resort. Obito on his "own" powers, even with both eyes, would still be at his or Kakashi's current level, due to lack of Senju DNA.

I know that w/o senju power he would go blind or lacked stamina, still being a uchiha he has better stamina then kakashi and until blind would solo any.

He was only shown to be able to cancel Kamui that:
1) is directed at himself
2) is directed at something so large that it takes a longer time
He wasn't able to stop Kakashi from kamuing a kunai, nor a clone. He also wouldn't be able to stop Kakashi with Kyuubi's cloak from kamuing the Juubi, because he had to physically interrupt Kakashi to stop him. Presumably because he didn't have enough chakra.

Obito doesnt have ranged kamui to stop kakashis attack on gedo, he could only do that via link, in other cases it was not of importance, in juubi case he countered by blocking sight and wanted to deal with kakashi once and for all.

By saying it's the same eye he meant that it's the same technique: Kamui.
Even if some parameters differ (Kakashi being able to use it long-range, Obito being able to phase) it's essentials are the same.
Kakashi isn't very emotional? That's just your speculations, Kakashi is a closed person, but he was deeply shaken by the events in his life. He was crying when he pierced Rin.

Yeah kakashi cried when a kid, unlike uchiha thou he doesnt rage etc etc, you get the point i hope, every1 cried sometimes uchiha dont let go easily, main difference.
Intangibility is skill obito developed on his own having a mastery over close ranged kamui, nothing else.

So far:
Link between the eyes.
Same design.
Ability to stop other eye.
No blindness.
Same time awakened.
Similar ability.

You cant explain all that saying kakashi awakened MS on his own while not having KKG. Another thing, obito got 2T right away, from 2T it went MS. Obito is only uchiha to do that, chances of coincidence with kakashi are null, they cant feel the same about rin.