People downplaying Kakashi because his "eye is Obito's" is ridiculous.

[Joshutsu]

Not everyone does that.

And the annoying is that people just don't want to see kamui mentioned at all in a vs tthread because they know it's op. I mean is he nor allowed to spam it? That's all Obito does so wby not kakashi.

No one ever comes up with a good argument against dodging kamui. All people say is that it is a last resort and he'd never start a fight with it. It's the biggest BS excuse ever.

Its like every other character is allowed to spam their op techniques except kakashi.

I guess i know who also spams kamui.

But it is true. He's never opened a fight with it like that. VS threads on a whole is all about peoples own opinions of how a fight would go. Compared to the manga the ones saying he wouldnt open with it have more going for them than you guys.

It's not about having a counter to kamui or not, it's about people seemingly not having anything else going for kakashi in vs thread but kamui. It definitely does make him look like there is not skill to him. There's no changing that.

Starting off with kamui just screams ' i cant handle this so let me kamui you' why not open up with something like his raiton anything.

 

[odara rasengan]

quite a list. it's definitely true. instead of listening to other's opinion sit back and enjoy naruto!

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

- sasuke killed itachi for the eye
- the rinnegan was unlocked by madara

naruto is the only character there that abuses borrowed power-ups anyway the rest are cool with me

 

[straightup]

One thing that does bother me about kakashi is the fact that he is supposes to know over 1000 jutsus yet recently hes only been showing 1. the reason i liked him in the first place was becuase it was always fun watching what he pulled out of his sleeve. I think this is where shipuuden in general messed up. I think that shipuuden has only really focused on a small amount of insanely strong jutsus as opposed to having many jutsus that interact with eachother differently. I think what happened is they kept trying to make stronger jutsus to beat the op jutsus they already had and it was starting to get out of hand. I mean honestly at the begining rasengan was like a super strong jutsu but now its so insignificant it cant even draw blood when direct contact.

 

[Takos]

Well im wondering about one thing ..... since their eyes are linked , was it really Kakashi who evolved his sharingan or is it because Obito evolved it that Kakashi as a MS ? Think about it

BTW im not taking any side on this debate ...

Nope. Obito himself said Kakashi had awakened his MS.
"Using Sharingan for your Raikiri... you've become really proficient with your left eye. You even awakened the Mangekyo."

 

[Gold Lightning]

I guess i know who also spams kamui.

But it is true. He's never opened a fight with it like that. VS threads on a whole is all about peoples own opinions of how a fight would go. Compared to the manga the ones saying he wouldnt open with it have more going for them than you guys.

It's not about having a counter to kamui or not, it's about people seemingly not having anything else going for kakashi in vs thread but kamui. It definitely does make him look like there is not skill to him. There's no changing that.

Starting off with kamui just screams ' i cant handle this so let me kamui you' why not open up with something like his raiton anything.

See what I mean, you're basically saying he cannot use kamui is a vs fight. Everyone knows kakashi is one of the most versatile and talented ninjas in nv but what use is that when hes fighting OP opponents? If he's just gonna get spammed by op techniques then he might as well spam op Jutsu too, kakashi is not stupid.

And that's still a BS excuse no matter how u try and justify if. Vs tbreads are hypothetical scenarios where each aide fights to win. So if some says kakashi starts with kamui you can't just is that ridiculous excuse. It's just silly and pathetic.

When kakashi, naruto and guy began their fight against obito, kakashi from the get go used kamui. When he faced sasuke, he used earth wall then kamui straight after. When obito came to get sasuke, kaksdhis plan was to one shot him with kamui. But obito said it wouldn't work.

It's just a silly excuse without justification the people use to protect their favs in vs threads.

 

[Mellanoma]

Kakashi and his FREE Gift and borrowed power.

 

[Lay]

Its his power. Certainly. But this guy has over 1000 jutsu and all he uses is Kamui and Raikiri. Smh

 

[Joshutsu]

See what I mean, you're basically saying he cannot use kamui is a vs fight. Everyone knows kakashi is one of the most versatile and talented ninjas in nv but what use is that when hes fighting OP opponents? If he's just gonna get spammed by op techniques then he might as well spam op Jutsu too, kakashi is not stupid.

And that's still a BS excuse no matter how u try and justify if. Vs tbreads are hypothetical scenarios where each aide fights to win. So if some says kakashi starts with kamui you can't just is that ridiculous excuse. It's just silly and pathetic.

When kakashi, naruto and guy began their fight against obito, kakashi from the get go used kamui. When he faced sasuke, he used earth wall then kamui straight after. When obito came to get sasuke, kaksdhis plan was to one shot him with kamui. But obito said it wouldn't work.

It's just a silly excuse without justification the people use to protect their favs in vs threads.

First paragraph, kakashi couldn't spam crap till naruto has given him chakra + boost for being near obito. You are basically enforcing my point about kamui being the only special thing about him. Since you think only kamui can compare to better characters and their skills.

He should thank them for being around to making kamui the hype it is today. It was 2-3 times then hes dead back before. You could onl yhope he still has this much pwoer to it afetr war. Then again you can always say 'war arc kakashi' in the threads to save him.

It is a ridiculous excuse. It's pathetic on the people who spam it side, the latter side most times than not actually had more than one technique going for them but nope kamui ftw. Then to turn around and say he is skillfull can't even hold a good arguement on his part without kamui? No skills here.

Spare me.

 

[Takos]

First paragraph, kakashi couldn't spam crap till naruto has given him chakra + boost for being near obito. You are basically enforcing my point about kamui being the only special thing about him. Since you think only kamui can compare to better characters and their skills.

Yet another stupid post about Obito's presence enforcing Kakashi, that has to be the dumbest theory in the community.
He used Kamui 6 times after halving his chakra by creating a clone and before receiving any help from Kurama. Deal with it.

He should thank them for being around to making kamui the hype it is today. It was 2-3 times then hes dead back before. You could onl yhope he still has this much pwoer to it afetr war. Then again you can always say 'war arc kakashi' in the threads to save him.

Back before - yes, these are the keywords. Manga progresses, characters develop.

 

[Joshutsu]

Yet another stupid post about Obito's presence enforcing Kakashi, that has to be the dumbest theory in the community.
He used Kamui 6 times after halving his chakra by creating a clone and before receiving any help from Kurama. Deal with it.



Back before - yes, these are the keywords. Manga progresses, characters develop.

Naruto gave him chakra. He can't pull these feats without it, peoples chakra don't increase that drastically within a few panels of a chapter.

Back before is kakashi on his own. Now it's kakashi with help. I'll continue to be a fan of the kakashi with skill and actual tactics , enjoy the point and shoot kamui kakashi with Naruto for help. I guess skillfull kakashi is too weak for you 'fans'.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The amount of butthurt in this thread is ridiculus.Kakashi can't spam Kamui whenever he pleases otherwise he would die.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Naruto gave him chakra. He can't pull these feats without it, peoples chakra don't increase that drastically within a few panels of a chapter.

Back before is kakashi on his own. Now it's kakashi with help. I'll continue to be a fan of the kakashi with skill and actual tactics , enjoy the point and shoot kamui kakashi with Naruto for help. I guess skillfull kakashi is too weak for you 'fans'.

The sad part is you should like a character because of his/her personality or attitude,instead you got people liking characters because of one OP jutsu or ability and when they lose it then those fans are nowhere to be seen.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Actually. Kakashi is in fact the youngest person (shown to date of course) to awaken ms.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Naruto gave him chakra. He can't pull these feats without it, peoples chakra don't increase that drastically within a few panels of a chapter.

Back before is kakashi on his own. Now it's kakashi with help. I'll continue to be a fan of the kakashi with skill and actual tactics , enjoy the point and shoot kamui kakashi with Naruto for help. I guess skillfull kakashi is too weak for you 'fans'.

Naruto gave him chakra after he did it 5 times.
I don't see the problem in developing a technique since the first time he used it ,it was 3 times. Apparently him increasing his chakra control with the technique just to get 2 more uses out of it is a problem for everyone... I can't fathom this.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Naruto gave him chakra after he did it 5 times.
I don't see the problem in developing a technique since the first time he used it ,it was 3 times. Apparently him increasing his chakra control with the technique just to get 2 more uses out of it is a problem for everyone... I can't fathom this.

And after those five times Kakashi was on the ground extremely exhausted.That's why him spamming Kamui is not a viable option since anyone with enough speed can avoid it until his limit is reached.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Actually. Kakashi is in fact the youngest person (shown to date of course) to awaken ms.

It was Obito who awakened MS and Kakashi got it because their eyes are linked.

 

[brownbear]

slightly off topic......but whatever happened to mangekyo going blind due to overuse? shouldn't kakashi be blind (or atleast have super fuzzy vision) in his ms?

on topic:kakashi is still my nigga reaguardless of fanboys and haters,just wish kishi would show us more of his "legendary" versatility

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It was Obito who awakened MS and Kakashi got it because their eyes are linked.

It was kakashi that awakened their ms. He was the one who killed rin not obito. Obito only saw the events that transpired.

And after those five times Kakashi was on the ground extremely exhausted.That's why him spamming Kamui is not a viable option since anyone with enough speed can avoid it until his limit is reached.

I never said he can spam it. But for reasons that I cannot understand he's denied this feat.
And no not even space time tech's can help you get away from his kamui completely.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It was kakashi that awakened their ms. He was the one who killed rin not obito. Obito only saw the events that transpired.



I never said he can spam it. But for reasons that I cannot understand he's denied this feat.
And no not even space time tech's can help you get away from his kamui completely.

Look at the page where Obito and Kakashi awakened their MS.You don't have to kill a loved one in order to awaken it since it's the pain of losing someone that actually triggers the eyes to develop.Rin was everything to Obito and seeing her being killed by someone he trusted to protect her was the key factor of not only his personality change but also him awakening the MS.

Some people in this very thread seem to think Kakashi would just spam Kamui in every fight and ignore the fact that he would try other jutsus first.