you basically just exaggerated madaras abilities and lied about what happened in the manga.
your BS:"And just by combining his Susanoo with Kurama he beat a wood creature of the same size as the Juubi"
manga facts: when did madara beat shinsuusenju? there are scans of shinsuusenju destroying madaras susano but none of madaras susano destroying shinsuusenju.
Look in the manga again. Madara did indeed destroy it with a large amount of TBB's combined with Susanoo slashes, of course shinsuusenju hit Susanoo at the same time. So you could call it a tie between Susanoo/Kurama and shinsuusenju, if you are really persistent. Though fact is, Kurama still stood with no damage due to Susanoo.
your BS: "Madara is the boss. Nobody gets near him in this world anymore. Not Hashirama. Not Naruto. Not Sasuke."
No he doesn't. Madara recognizes Hashirama's strength, yes. He said, he is the only one, who has a chance of stopping him. However, we clearly saw EMS Madara+Kurama as summon = Hashirama. So clearly, when Madara with rinnengan, but without Kurama, says Hashirama is the only one able to stop him, that is what he meant. But now Madara has the Juubi. Know the difference.
your BS: "What will happen, when the Juubi reaches its final state, and Madara places Susanoo around it? Yeah you are right, he wont give any ****s anymore!"
manga facts: madaras susano isnt even big enough to cover the entire full form juubi. please keep the fanboying to a minimum
hashirama beats madara according to the manga so please just stop.
Do your butt hurt? I am no fanboy. I simply suggested the greatest possible ability Madara could administer. Of course it is doubtful, that it will happen, but whether he cloaks the Juubi in Susanoo or not, it does not change the fact, that Madara and Obito can one shot the alliance+4 hokages with ease. The destructive powers of the Juubi are simply over powered.
Madara could have easily destroyed the entire alliance, but as he said, he didn't wanna go all out on children. Also he didn't wanna kill Obito while doing so, because he needs him to get revived.
Do you believe that the fight is gonna end as soon as the 4 hokage's show up and whip their finger? The manga is about to end, and if it's gonna be another really poor fight, so be it. But the ratings are already dropping exponentially, so of course Kishi will make a marvelous ending scene for Naruto..
I don't think we should underestimate him...when he said he was fighting with infants he really meant it...we could assume that his massive meteor and his giant sussanoo was meant for infants...i don't even dare to imagine what he has in his arsenal...and this time Hashirama might lose because he is stronger (Rinnegan, Senju DNA & Mokuton) and it would be more interesting...if Hashirama shows up and kicks his ass that would leave Obito alone...not to mention that he is Edo so immortal with noone able to control him and infinite chakra...imagine him using 10 meteors or creating 20 perfect sussanoo mokuton clones....
The guy is actually right, perfect susano and kyubi was destroyed by the shinsuusenju if you look at the right spot and shisuusenju was damaged but not destroy furthermore, no one underestimate Madara Uchiha because he is a beast. However, he can't win against the four hokage"s plus naruto and sasuke combine with orochimaru along side Taka, and the alliance combine not to mention that the other four hokage non edo's are alive but injred probably will be there.
The fact is naruto already encounter most if not all madara jutsu's ems is an upgraded version of the ms and Naruto fought that already and knew all about such as, tsukuyomi, amaterasus, susano, yakasa magatama, and the rinnegan is a game to Naruto because he beat it already. After the explanation of the rinnegan to the hokage's, Madara stands no chance against them. Even without detail madara wouldn't be able to beat the previous two hokage non edo. Hashi and Naruto have sage mode and the rinnegan isn't compatible with sage mode in all aspect.
The people are right bro even if you are a big fan of Madara, you have to admitted defeat in a case like that.
Imagine the first hokage himself is able to fight madara seriously because we never seen him being serious actually even the last during the last fight he never was actually serious.
Here is the fact.
Edo Madara + Obito + juubi if they can control it again. I said if.
Vs Edo Hashirama + Edo Tobirama + Edo Minato + Edo Hiruzen
+ The other beast"s Naruto aka the Idiot sage bijuu mode user + Sasuke aka the killer + bee the smoothy rapper + Orochimaru aka the immortal + the green beast aka Guy + the blue beast aka Lee + butterfly strong bullet aka choji + the 4 other hokage gaara aka the young fearsome sealing and defense hokage + the lightning bijuu level chakra Raikage + Darui the black lightning user + the konoha copy ninja Kakashi + the three steps ahead level ninja shikamaru + the dust release onoki if he still alive + the kekei genkai beauty with lava and vapor. Not too mention the alliance Kiba, Hinata, sakura, tenten and a lot more. No way for Madara to even think about the word winning.
Look in the manga again. Madara did indeed destroy it with a large amount of TBB's combined with Susanoo slashes, of course shinsuusenju hit Susanoo at the same time. So you could call it a tie between Susanoo/Kurama and shinsuusenju, if you are really persistent. Though fact is, Kurama still stood with no damage due to Susanoo.
now this is just damage control. shinsuusenju destroyed madaras susano and stripped it off of the kyuubi. only the hands of shinsuusenju were destroyed. the main body wasnt even damaged by the bijudamas combined with PS blades.
No he doesn't. Madara recognizes Hashirama's strength, yes. He said, he is the only one, who has a chance of stopping him. However, we clearly saw EMS Madara+Kurama as summon = Hashirama. So clearly, when Madara with rinnengan, but without Kurama, says Hashirama is the only one able to stop him, that is what he meant. But now Madara has the Juubi. Know the difference.
what the hell? your making no sense and just made up some random crap. madara says that hashirama can stop him=hashirama can stop him. its that simple and this doesnt need to be looked into any further.
Do your butt hurt? I am no fanboy. I simply suggested the greatest possible ability Madara could administer. Of course it is doubtful, that it will happen, but whether he cloaks the Juubi in Susanoo or not, it does not change the fact, that Madara and Obito can one shot the alliance+4 hokages with ease. The destructive powers of the Juubi are simply over powered.
they were disconnected from the juubi so you make no sense.
Madara could have easily destroyed the entire alliance, but as he said, he didn't wanna go all out on children. Also he didn't wanna kill Obito while doing so, because he needs him to get revived.
madara didnt say that. he said that he wanted to destroy the alliance before shikaku could relay his plan to them but his control over the juubi was incomplete and the only way to gain complete control was to become its jinchuriki.
the obito part is the only part that it true.
Do you believe that the fight is gonna end as soon as the 4 hokage's show up and whip their finger? The manga is about to end, and if it's gonna be another really poor fight, so be it. But the ratings are already dropping exponentially, so of course Kishi will make a marvelous ending scene for Naruto..
madara ran his course in the manga. the 4 hokages arent needed for madara only. their power is needed for the juubi. hashirama alone is stronger than madara.
I think Madara truly is the strongest ninja, but he is reincarnated so they dont actually need to KILL him just SEAL him, which requires him sitting still for a brief second (lol good luck with that Kages) and some very fast hands. overall i think it will come to Madara being too cocky and him losing due to his overconfidence. And dont forget Minato is skilled in sealing tecniques and THE fastest ninja alive...well undead to be accurate.
now this is just damage control. shinsuusenju destroyed madaras susano and stripped it off of the kyuubi. only the hands of shinsuusenju were destroyed. the main body wasnt even damaged by the bijudamas combined with PS blades.
what the hell? your making no sense and just made up some random crap. madara says that hashirama can stop him=hashirama can stop him. its that simple and this doesnt need to be looked into any further.
they were disconnected from the juubi so you make no sense.
madara didnt say that. he said that he wanted to destroy the alliance before shikaku could relay his plan to them but his control over the juubi was incomplete and the only way to gain complete control was to become its jinchuriki.
the obito part is the only part that it true.
madara ran his course in the manga. the 4 hokages arent needed for madara only. their power is needed for the juubi. hashirama alone is stronger than madara.
So I may be wrong about Shinsusenju, however, it doesn't change the fact, that it would be useless against the Juubi, compared to the damage Susanoo/Kurama did to it.
How pointless. I already made countless arguments, for why Madara easily can handle the alliance. And why he is now stronger than Hashirama. You cling to a few statements by Madara himself, where he says Hashirama is the only one, that can stop him. Yet forgetting, that at this point, he had no knowledge of the situation in the world.
You say I make up random crap, but the above clearly is true. Madara was surprised, when he saw Obito was already reviving the Juubi. So he had no knowledge, of what was going on, when he was revived. In fact he thought Obito had failed, since he couldn't summon Kurama.
So my point is 100 % valid. Rinnengan Madara without Kurama, says that only Hashi can stop him. This is without Kurama. With no knowledge of the Juubi being revived. I could go on. Madara with the Juubi, is like a 1000x improvement.
Madara ran his course? Rofl. Opinion based discussions will lead no where, so I will just wait for facts, and stop arguing. We can see later then..
I'm with OP. Uchiha Madara in his current form has huge power-ups that FAR exceed his on-screen battle with Hashirama:
-Rinnegan
-Edo Tensei body
-Hashirama cells
-Knowledge of jutsu beyond most ninja due to Sharingan
-Genjutsu aided by Juubi
-Full control of the Juubi
Despite absolutely owning the Kage in their battle, Madara was implied to be holding back his strength.
The simple fact of the matter is that Madara can kill Uzumaki Naruto and Kurama with literally one finger. I said it, and I stand by it entirely. It's canon that Madara is the Second Six Paths. Nagato was some little turd with borrowed power and he came close to killing Naruto AND Bee at the same time. BM Naruto is and always has been overrated
Denying these facts are rampant fanboyism.
Ways in which Madara can easily kill Naruto AND all 4 Hokage at the same time:
-Breaking Edo Tensei
-Perfect Juubi destroying them
-Summon Meteors
-Perfect Susanno
-Genjutsu (Infinite Tsukuyomi has been confirmed to work on jinchuruki, U MAD FANBOYS?)
Just because he was taken by surprise by Gai, because he couldn't absorb the afternoon tiger, and because he didn't pop Susanoo as a defense against Lee, when he had to maintain control of the Juubi at same time.
Some even think, he will become fish food for the alliance even before Hashirama arrives? Don't make me laugh. Hashirama's arrival, will just make Madara more excited, so he finally can get serious. You are forgetting his old words: No adult would fight seriously against children
Forgetting jutsu like: Giant meteors
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Doesn't work on Edo Tensei's
Massive mokuton
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Doesn't work on Edo Tensei's
Mass bunshins
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Giant Susanoo
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Doesn't work on Edo Tensei's
And just by combining his Susanoo with Kurama he beat a wood creature of the same size as the Juubi
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Same size does not mean equal strength
Not to mention the rest of the abilities followed by EMS and Rinnengan.
Madara is the boss. Nobody gets near him in this world anymore. Not Hashirama. Not Naruto. Not Sasuke.
What will happen, when the Juubi reaches its final state, and Madara places Susanoo around it?
Yeah you are right, he wont give any ****s anymore!
You are completely right, Madara will beat everyone including Naruto, he will kill everyone and then he will do the Infinity Tsukuyomi... yeah keep dreaming kid, you'll see in a few chapters that Madara is gone.
Typing in red doesn't change the fact that Madara has already blocked Naruto's most powerful attack with one hand and that Mangekyou can already control Kyuubi chakra, Kurama and cancel KCM mode. U MAD FANBOYS?LOL
Typing in red doesn't change the fact that Madara has already blocked Naruto's most powerful attack with one hand and that Mangekyou can already control Kyuubi chakra, Kurama and cancel KCM mode. U MAD FANBOYS?LOL
No one could ever underestimate him, he is the ultimate Uchiha who has unlocked the SO6P's powers.
Although it will be tough for him to battle against Naruto/Kurama, Bee/Gyuki, Minato, Hiruzen, Tobirama, Hashirama, Orochimaru, Suigetsu, Jūgo, Karin and Sasuke.
I still believe he will be able to push them to their limits due to the fact he has the Rinnegan now, Hashirama and Tobirama will also be amazed.
Yes, because there is a lot of precedence for main characters dying in manga. Evil wins all the time in shonen, just not at the end of the day. Madara will have already defeated Naruto and extracted Kurama by the time Sasuke shows up at the main battle.
So I may be wrong about Shinsusenju, however, it doesn't change the fact, that it would be useless against the Juubi, compared to the damage Susanoo/Kurama did to it.
How pointless. I already made countless arguments, for why Madara easily can handle the alliance. And why he is now stronger than Hashirama. You cling to a few statements by Madara himself, where he says Hashirama is the only one, that can stop him. Yet forgetting, that at this point, he had no knowledge of the situation in the world.
edo madara is just a rikudo version of living madara. he has no power advantage over ems madara. his full power is perfect susano just like ems madara so no he isnt stronger than ems madara.
You say I make up random crap, but the above clearly is true. Madara was surprised, when he saw Obito was already reviving the Juubi. So he had no knowledge, of what was going on, when he was revived. In fact he thought Obito had failed, since he couldn't summon Kurama.
So my point is 100 % valid. Rinnengan Madara without Kurama, says that only Hashi can stop him. This is without Kurama. With no knowledge of the Juubi being revived. I could go on. Madara with the Juubi, is like a 1000x improvement.
the juubi isnt even madaras power alone. it takes the joint control of obito and madara to control it. madara with the kyuubi was stopped by hashirama so if madara obtained the kyuubi again in the current time, hashirama would still beat him. madara not having the kyuubi when he said that only hashirama can stop him isnt relevant and proves nothing.
Madara ran his course? Rofl. Opinion based discussions will lead no where, so I will just wait for facts, and stop arguing. We can see later then..
edo madara is just a rikudo version of living madara. he has no power advantage over ems madara. his full power is perfect susano just like ems madara so no he isnt stronger than ems madara.
this isnt relevant at all.
the juubi isnt even madaras power alone. it takes the joint control of obito and madara to control it. madara with the kyuubi was stopped by hashirama so if madara obtained the kyuubi again in the current time, hashirama would still beat him. madara not having the kyuubi when he said that only hashirama can stop him isnt relevant and proves nothing.
ok, wait for madara to lose. it makes no difference to me.
It certainly is relevant. Besides the ridukou not mattering is a lame statement. Madara is now almost immune to ninjutsu. The giant meteors can also make up some problems, when they aren't made "super light". Besides, when fighting edo tensei, it can be rather useful to be able to cast sealing techniques, which requires no hand seals.. So it matters quite a lot. Also it's only Obito and Madara that can actually control the Juubi, since they have senju+uchiha DNA, just as they could control the gedo mazou. So calling it pointless, cause his "max" power is still Susanoo is quite lame.
