Pein Vs. Madara?

[VongolaX]

off topic rant:

And this is why Vs threads should show up in the "Latest Threads" section they are obviously an underrated topic.People like pinning character's vs other character's this is just a hunch but I am guessing the majority of Nb'ers wait around the homepage like myself for a new thread to show up and do not go searching in specific sections.

On Topic: I wonder how EMS Madara will handle the multi-headed dog and other summons.

Makes susanoo clones

 

[binderr]

-Madara fought Hashirama at the VoTE..with PS.

-Madara had the strongest, and greatest chakra the Uchiha had seen at the time, so it is pretty clear that he has a lot of chakra.

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Not to mention the Uchiha had unparalleled chakra.

-He was able to fight Hashirama with other various techniques, control Kyuubi and use PS all in one battle..what makes you think he won't have enough chakra to use PS for this battle?

He has alot of chakra, but he does not have enough. Madara said that the PS is only rivalled with the biiju. Pain owned the mightiest bijou after pwning konoha.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree he wasnt completely inexperienced but definately not experienced enough to stand a chance against Madara imo. If you're just talking about theoretically if he was healthy and full power I agree but I usually prefer using characters at a particular point in time in vs threads not the best of 2 particular points in time combined unless it's specified. Still a pretty cool analysis though you're keeping me fairly entertained while im in this long ass line at comcast lmao.

Yeah, I have to agree with you on that one, most of the time people put them in VS threads they specify most of the time anyway, and thanks for liking the analysis

He has alot of chakra, but he does not have enough. Madara said that the PS is only rivalled with the biiju. Pain owned the mightiest bijou after pwning konoha.

Proof he doesn't have enough? It being in his arsenal in the first place should show that he must have enough chakra to use it, how else would his PS have a reputation like "Anyone who sees this dies", besides, Pain will be taken care of long before chakra becomes an issue.

A>B>C logic? Fail A>B>C logic at that. Pain owned the Kyuubi? That's why an Eight Tailed (Not even full power) Kyuubi broke out of his Chikabu Tensei.

 

[binderr]

Yeah, I have to agree with you on that one, most of the time people put them in VS threads they specify most of the time anyway, and thanks for liking the analysis



Proof he doesn't have enough? It being in his arsenal in the first place should show that he must have enough chakra to use it, how else would his PS have a reputation like "Anyone who sees this dies", besides, Pain will be taken care of long before chakra becomes an issue.

A>B>C logic? Fail A>B>C logic at that. Pain owned the Kyuubi? That's why an Eight Tailed (Not even full power) Kyuubi broke out of his Chikabu Tensei.

meh. he broke out because of plot no jutsu.
anyway, PS is Madaras ultimate move, which beyond doubt uses up all his chakra in the end. I think the reason why he says that everyone who sees it dies, is because when madara use it he is fighting to the death.

but that doesnt matter because pain < PS.
just like chibaku tensei > 8 tails.

 

[KidGamer65]

meh. he broke out because of plot no jutsu.
anyway, PS is Madaras ultimate move, which beyond doubt uses up all his chakra in the end. I think the reason why he says that everyone who sees it dies, is because when madara use it he is fighting to the death.

but that doesnt matter because pain < PS.
just like chibaku tensei > 8 tails.

Again, where is your proof? All you say is that it is his ultimate move so it will consume all his chakra in the end...just an assumption on your part...regardless, he still has more than enough time to deal with Pain.

Chibaku Tensei is > 8 Tailed Kyuubi even though 8 Tailed Kyuubi smashed through PS? Nope.

8 Tailed Kyuubi>Pain's CT.

@bold: I can only hope you aren't serious..

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I was referring to Healthy Nagato..not the crippled one.

Nagato can use the Gedo Mazo, his techniques are stronger when he uses them instead of Pain, his normal Shinra Tensei was far stronger than any normal Shinra Tensei Deva ever showed.

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Pain can summon it too:

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Nagato can make a stronger push I guess, Pain's push is still good enough to keep his distance and counters

His Preta Path also has shown to absorb chakra faster than Pains.

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He instantly ripped all of Bee's V2 Bijuu cloak away, while Preta took this long to absorb a Chou Oodama Rasengan

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Absorbing skin cloak is easier to absorb then a Giant ball. But I still agree that Nagato does it faster. But Preta can still absorb and counter all Madara's attack (except for that shock-wave you explained)

But the main reason why Nagato has an edge over Pain is because Nagato is 1 body while Pain is 6, if one Pain gets taken out thats it,
its abilities can't be used anymore, which weakens the other Pains especially if they lose a useful path like Deva or Preta.

I think pain's can take this because Gezo Mezo will rival PS

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

EMS Madara or Edo Madara can beat pain, but Nagato beats EMS Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think pain's can take this because Gezo Mezo will rival PS

EMS Madara can also summon the Kyuubi, which can beat Gedo Mazo.

 

[binderr]

Again, where is your proof? All you say is that it is his ultimate move so it will consume all his chakra in the end...just an assumption on your part...regardless, he still has more than enough time to deal with Pain.

Chibaku Tensei is > 8 Tailed Kyuubi even though 8 Tailed Kyuubi smashed through PS? Nope.

8 Tailed Kyuubi>Pain's CT.

@bold: I can only hope you aren't serious..

I just dont see that the technique which created the moon (although inferior) can't hold the PS. PS is big, but lets hypotesise that Pain can make a sphere that is 1/100 of the moon. Thats still a lot bigger than PS. And btw, look at what pain says top left corner.

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He would have just made a bigger one, he only didnt know the 8 tails was that strong, and having already used a lot of chakra in konoha he went for a sphere he thought adequate.

PS is a great EMS tech, but I think it cant really compare to Rinnegan.

 

[Champ]

Pain can't beat Madara

 

[KidGamer65]

I just dont see that the technique which created the moon (although inferior) can't hold the PS. PS is big, but lets hypotesise that Pain can make a sphere that is 1/100 of the moon. Thats still a lot bigger than PS. And btw, look at what pain says top left corner.

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He would have just made a bigger one, he only didnt know the 8 tails was that strong, and having already used a lot of chakra in konoha he went for a sphere he thought adequate.

PS is a great EMS tech, but I think it cant really compare to Rinnegan.

And look what happened to him after he stated he would make it bigger

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That's why the sphere collapsed on the next page.

EMS Madara has control over the Kyuubi, all he needs to do is fire a TBB at CT while its forming and its gone.

 

[binderr]

And look what happened to him after he stated he would make it bigger

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That's why the sphere collapsed on the next page.

EMS Madara has control over the Kyuubi, all he needs to do is fire a TBB at CT while its forming and its gone.

What, I already explained that. He overdid himself pwning Konoha.
anyway we disagree, I think rinnegan > EMS sharingan. Im out.

 

[KidGamer65]

What, I already explained that. He overdid himself pwning Konoha.
anyway we disagree, I think rinnegan > EMS sharingan. Im out.

Ok then, even though deciding a fight based solely on the Dojutsu level of the combatants is retarded in most cases.

 

[shelke]

EMS Madara takes this both ways, the only difference is difficulty. Against the 6 paths of Pein, Madara wins this low difficulty. Against Nagato the fight will be difficult as this is Nagato with all the paths in one body. IF he summons Gazo Medo, he will lose life force like he did before, as there is nothing in the manga to suggest that he won't.

The main problem is PS for his. His almighty push and CT are far too sluggish against PS sword slashes. Will he be able to with stand PS sword slashes repeatedly? His Asura form certainly won't hold against it, as it birst open an entire mountain; turned it into freaking confetti actually. There is no way he is blocking that. But Petra path will absorb all ninjutsus except Amatersu which in my opinion is debatable.

dude you put way to much faith in PS. what makes you think Madara even has the chakra for PS?

This is a great misconception, PS is just a stabilized form of CS, it doesn't require more chakra:

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- Incomplete Sussano

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- Complete Form

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- Stabilizing CS Form to PS.

 

[SwordMaster]

Madara wins

 

[Brother Numpsay]

EMS Madara can also summon the Kyuubi, which can beat Gedo Mazo.

Depending on which stage its in

 

[Dragon1]

Again, where is your proof? All you say is that it is his ultimate move so it will consume all his chakra in the end...just an assumption on your part...regardless, he still has more than enough time to deal with Pain.

Chibaku Tensei is > 8 Tailed Kyuubi even though 8 Tailed Kyuubi smashed through PS? Nope.

8 Tailed Kyuubi>Pain's CT.

@bold: I can only hope you aren't serious..

No such thing. Nagato just underestimated Kurama. He even said he will make a bigger one.

 

[Kages]

Madara

 

[KidGamer65]

No such thing. Nagato just underestimated Kurama. He even said he will make a bigger one.

He tried and he coughed up blood, I was showing how Pain did not own Kurama when the other guy said he did.

 

[binderr]

He tried and he coughed up blood, I was showing how Pain did not own Kurama when the other guy said he did.

Hmm ok try spinning it like this:

Do you think Madera could single handedly defeat kakashi (kage level) anbu, jounins, fodder, Naruto with rasenshurikens, senjutsu, toads and the kyybi?
when in fact he lost to only one person in the past (Hashirama).

No I think he could not do that. Only a rinnegan user could begin to do stuff like that.